Audie
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Whose boyfriend is busy with his comp., while I wait so we can go out!
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gnostic
The Lost One
I know who is Lincoln is, but American history was never my forte...but Vampire Hunter?
How quaint...
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I do think that at times some believers take even major motion pictures seriously. When it comes to that movie if you can see it free, and are in the right frame of mind it is a hoot. I can't recommend it for its writing, plot, acting, or any other serious attributes.I know who is Lincoln is, but American history was never my forte...but Vampire Hunter?
How quaint...
exchemist
Veteran Member
Ha! Me waiting for my wife to get finished with her computer was the story of our marriage. Well not quite, but sometimes it seemed like that.
Audie
Veteran Member
At least it is his business.
It's simply evidence to consider. There is much more available!!
I'm not saying every occurrence is genuine, in fact the majority is faked.
But these people i mentioned were well-known for being sound thinkers. Not superstitious.
The following link is informative...just think about it:
Lincoln's ghost - Wikipedia
(I know this is off -- topic....but its my thread, so what the hey)
Lol. Maybe something for a lady to carry her explana?
I knew what she meant...I wasn't going to make an issue of it. Or the others.
Audie
Veteran Member
Best for you if you do not, for lo, despite size
difference, I would mop the floor with you.
Audie
Veteran Member
And here I thought you were being funny. Guess I was wrong.
Atheism has made you mean. Or does it just come naturally?
FYI, I'm glad I have my wife's respect, because I want hers. I really don't want or need yours.
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gnostic
The Lost One
Sorry, but even great minds can be superstitious people.
Superstition is a matter of "belief", the same as belief in gods, angels, demons, jinns, fairies, transcendent consciousness, or believing in luck, omens or signs, astrology/horoscopes.
I would even classify people who believe in alchemy and the ether to be superstitious people.
Intelligent Design is just another name for creationism; all they do is simply substitute "God" or "Creator" with "Designer". Those who believe in the some sort of invisible cosmic Designer, are also superstitious.
Belief is everywhere!
"ev·o·lu·tion·ist
ˌevəˈlo͞oSHənəst/
noun
- 1.
a person who believes in the theories of evolution and natural selection."
Excerpt (one of many):
"Based on its wings and feathers, scientists believe Archaeopteryx likely had some aerodynamic abilities."
So drop the "belief" line of reasoning as if scientists don't have any.
Design is observed everywhere among living things, from within (their cellular structure) and without (their symbiotic relationships).
Arguments from experience and observation regarding discoveries of specified information always support an intelligent origin.
Even the laws and cycles that help life to flourish reveal intelligence.
It's really sad you wish to blind yourself to ignored yet observed facts.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
When scientists "believe" something it is because the belief is supported by evidence. When a creationist believes something it is only because the Bible makes that claim. One belief is based upon reality, the other by bronze age myth.
gnostic
The Lost One
The question is not really about the Design, but about the imaginary DESIGNER!!!
Unless there actual evidences for the Designer himself (herself or itself), then there is scientific basis for Intelligent Designer.
If I buy a new car, I can trace it back to the company that sold me the car, back to the distributor, and from the distributor back to manufacturer. And since most car manufacturers don’t make every single parts, I can back to those who make the individual parts. There are physical entities and paper trials that I can follow back, and each ones of these are evidences for the sources. These are not invisible entities.
If I buy a house, I can trace back the real estate or the auctioneer, I can find who designed the house (architect), who built it (the contractor) and even the subcontractors (eg plumbers, electricians, painters, glazers, etc). I can even trace back to the person did the safety inspection, or the people who worked at the local council (eg building permits). The companies and their respective employers are all real, and nothing and no one are invisible.
But how do you trace nature back to the invisible (Intelligent) “Designer”?
To date, NO ID ADHERENTS or ADVOCATES have ever provide single evidence for the existence of the DESIGNER.
All we get from ID advocates are circular reasoning for the Designer existence, hence nothing more than baseless claims and hearsay.
Any idiot can make baseless claim about design requiring designers, but where are the evidences for “Designer”.
Saying the Designer is invisible, is nothing more than claim. Saying the Designer “designed this or that”, is nothing more than claim. Saying the Designer has all sort of powers, is also nothing more than claim. Saying the Designer is a transcendent being or cosmic consciousness, is also nothing more than more jabbers without substance.
Claims are not evidences.
All you are doing is swapping the Creator or God with Designer. All of which you have no evidences for.
Until you or someone actually produce empirical evidences of the Designer himself, Intelligent Design remains a pseudoscience junk pile.
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gnostic
The Lost One
Actually, I would say “Iron Age” myth, because there are no literary evidences to support the Genesis were written in the Bronze Age.
The stories may set the scenes to an earlier age, but the composition of the Genesis, Exodus and others, are no earlier than 7th century BCE, or 8th century at best.
There are no Hebrew writings of any sort dated to the 2nd millennium BCE.
The earliest Hebrew (paleo-Hebrew or old Hebrew) writings were dated to 10th century BCE, Levant Iron Age, eg Gezer Calendar and the Zayit Stone. And they had nothing to do with the bible, and no references to any biblical figures (eg Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, David, etc).
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You are probably right. By the reckoning of creationists it is a bronze age myth, but when have they been right about any date in the past?
gnostic
The Lost One
exchemist
Veteran Member
Yes I think that's the point.
It's missing the target to disparage "belief" as such. The theories of science are models that cannot be proved true, and yet we still trust them. That is exactly what "belief" is - trust in something that is not proved to be true. Though the good scientist always has at the back of his mind that the theories he trusts may not be the final story, so his belief is tempered with a certain caution. As you say, the theories of science are supported by evidence, and moreover evidence meeting particular standards of objectivity.
Religious belief is founded on subjective appeal, without objective evidence of this kind.
Out of curiosity: are you posting this because it’s the best argument you have for creationism/ID?