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knowing you are "saved"
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Saved from what?
MyM
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According to Islam, just before you die, you will know how bad you have been by what happens. (In Islam, we are told what happens to the soul and how it is taken out of the body and then in the grave it tells you what you will go through). Then after you are raised up for the judgement you will be judged by your Creator. You will then know.
But if you are speaking just informatively no one knows because in Islam, we believe to not take God for granted. You can be a muslim all your life and just before you die, do something that takes you out of the fold of Islam and find yourself in Hellfire. Then for a nonbeliever he could be doing bad all his life and just before he dies does something that Allah has mercy on him and admits him to Paradise.
Allah is the judge not man. We are not allowed to say to anyone they are a disbeliever until it is known and proven.
But if you are speaking just informatively no one knows because in Islam, we believe to not take God for granted. You can be a muslim all your life and just before you die, do something that takes you out of the fold of Islam and find yourself in Hellfire. Then for a nonbeliever he could be doing bad all his life and just before he dies does something that Allah has mercy on him and admits him to Paradise.
Allah is the judge not man. We are not allowed to say to anyone they are a disbeliever until it is known and proven.
Brian2
Veteran Member
Certainly I think most Christian denominations teach the assurance of salvation, which seems to be in the New Testament.
When we are in the throws of life and on the journey to become less sinful and a more acceptable human being in our own eyes, we can certainly doubt that we have been given the gift of salvation and start to think that God would not accept me as I am and can start trying to earn our salvation by good works etc.
Of course God wants us to be sincere and to do good works and be sincere in our efforts to stop sinning, but God wants us to trust Him for that salvation. If we just look at ourselves and our failures we might not know the assurance of salvation we die.
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And what we are saved from is the results of sin in our lives and those results, the wages of sin, is death.
Satan would have us think we are not saved and Satan would have us think that we won't die as a result of sin in our lives.
Bible tells that the wage of sin is death. If you have sin, death is waiting for you. But, you can be saved from that judgment by the forgiveness that was declared through Jesus.
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23
But, I think it is good to understand, forgiveness removes the old sin and gives a new start, but, if you after that continue in sin, the forgiveness is not useful, because eternal life is promised only for righteous.
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46
So, there must happen change and as Jesus said:
“Neither do I condemn you. Go your way. From now on, sin no more.”
John 8:11
Person must become righteous to get the life.
He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10
This is an excellent question which I live with everyday. The truth is I don’t know how God will judge me when I pass to the next world BUT I can know if I am obeying God’s laws and commandments, trying to or not trying to. If I deliberately don’t care to do the right thing and cause harm and suffering deliberately to others then I can expect to be brought to account. But if I try, despite my weakness to obey His laws, then I can be hopeful of God’s Mercy and Forgiveness.
But there is no way of knowing if I have won God’s Good Pleasure in this life.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe I am saved from sin.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe in your case it would be karma.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I know I'm saved for sure. I left Christianity.
MyM
Well-Known Member
What state would you like to be in?
1. A state of always thinking you are going to heaven and you get to sin all the time with no repercussions and then show up on the Day of Judgement under your own error?
2. Standing in front of your Creator one day proud to know that you have tried your best to please him?
It isn't about having to face that in Islam. Muslims know they are on the right way. In saying that, not all Muslims are practicing. (big difference between a practicing and non practicing)
When I became a Muslim, it was like the entire weight of the world was lifted off my shoulders. In Islam, we are only here on this earth, to worship him, not to play and ignore and hope for the best. That's why he has warned so many times---after the last time- the judgement.
JonSL
Member
Saved from what?
Well, if you are an alcoholic, you can be saved from substance abuse.
If you live in anger and hatred, you can be saved from those feelings.
There are many ways in which people can be saved.
And it certainly includes be liberated from all the negative human experiences we encounter.
I think most folks certainly believe that standard psychological counseling can provide benefits. If you have been the victim of profound violence from an abusive father, talking with a professional, can often help you in your life.
So, we already recognize the concept of "being saved" in a psychological sense.
The religious sense of being saved is somewhat similar. What we are being saved from is the compulsion to do wrong. And by wrong, I don't mean not following some authoritarian rules. I mean being saved from actions which harm other people.
Real sin is harming other people.
Being saved from that, only helps the person addicted to vicious behavior and generally helps society by reducing crime and other harmful actions.
I am pretty sure that there are professional studies in the discipline of the social sciences that show that the practice of religion has a direct effect in reducing crime, substance abuse and on.
Well, if you are an alcoholic, you can be saved from substance abuse.
If you live in anger and hatred, you can be saved from those feelings.
There are many ways in which people can be saved.
And it certainly includes be liberated from all the negative human experiences we encounter.
I think most folks certainly believe that standard psychological counseling can provide benefits. If you have been the victim of profound violence from an abusive father, talking with a professional, can often help you in your life.
So, we already recognize the concept of "being saved" in a psychological sense.
The religious sense of being saved is somewhat similar. What we are being saved from is the compulsion to do wrong. And by wrong, I don't mean not following some authoritarian rules. I mean being saved from actions which harm other people.
Real sin is harming other people.
Being saved from that, only helps the person addicted to vicious behavior and generally helps society by reducing crime and other harmful actions.
I am pretty sure that there are professional studies in the discipline of the social sciences that show that the practice of religion has a direct effect in reducing crime, substance abuse and on.
MyM
Well-Known Member
Doesn't make sense what you are saying. Because in Christianity, you are born in sin-every innocent baby has sin attached to it. It doesn't describe the type of sin at all. Those who claim they are saved (as I did in the past), they still sin and the compulsion is there no matter how you look at it. The sin is always there and hasn't gone away so the crucifixion is someone mute. The most prominent preachers on tv, preachin the gospel even had sex with prostitutes so where was the holy spirit guiding them into all truth? I do believe it deserted them....because sin will always be a part of man. In Islam, No one has to die for another it's just how our Creator created us. He sent his LAST message to the world and again, it's their choice to believe or not
We don't punish the innocent for what others do...just not right
Allah is the most Just.
JonSL
Member
Doesn't make sense what you are saying. Because in Christianity, you are born in sin-every innocent baby has sin attached to it. It doesn't describe the type of sin at all. Those who claim they are saved (as I did in the past), they still sin and the compulsion is there no matter how you look at it. The sin is always there and hasn't gone away so the crucifixion is someone mute. The most prominent preachers on tv, preachin the gospel even had sex with prostitutes so where was the holy spirit guiding them into all truth? I do believe it deserted them....because sin will always be a part of man. In Islam, No one has to die for another it's just how our Creator created us. He sent his LAST message to the world and again, it's their choice to believe or not
We don't punish the innocent for what others do...just not right
I have to run soon, sorry.
But you are referencing only one religious view. There are many, many others. The Fundamentalist movement in America is only a very small portion of Christian thought. It does not represent the majority of Christian thought and certainly not in history, since it is a relatively modern movement.
I have read the Koran. I love the Sufi poets and have deep respect for Islam.
But do remember that the Koran declares David, Solomon and Jesus to all be prophets of God.
MyM
Well-Known Member
Yes
messengers of Allah are Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, and Mohammad. (peace and blessings be upon them all)There were many many many prophets in-between the ones I mentioned but they were not given the revelation the books I meanSufis ....all I will say on that is that they do pronounce there is one God and Mohammad pbuh is the last final messenger of Allah. For in their beliefs they believe in a lot of mysticism which in Islam, non of that exists.
Islam is perfected, not superstitious and it has been completed for Allah says in the Quran that he has completed the religion 
How do you know there is a God? How do you know God is a judge? If God exists, how do you know which god's commandments to follow, or, within a given religion, which denomination's practices to follow?
I thought Christians believed everyone sinned; all fell short.
MyM
Well-Known Member
In Islam, The Quran is the testament of truth
Just go to it and read with an open mind and ask God to guide you to the truth.