Latest Reports of Past Actions on COVID

[Kenny]

MSN

The more time that passes, the better we can judge the past - but let’s learn from it.

 

[Unfettered]

MSN

The more time that passes, the better we can judge the past - but let’s learn from it.

I don't think we should hold our breath for any great lesson-learning on the part of those who wield authority. It was clear from the beginning that they were only interested in control. Why would they choose a different interest next time? I ask sincerely.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I haven't looked at the report, but it was put out by these guys according to the article:

About - Unleash Prosperity

Our Mission The mission of the Committee to Unleash Prosperity is to educate policy makers and the public about government policies that have been proven,…

committeetounleashprosperity.com

"The mission of the Committee to Unleash Prosperity is to educate policy makers and the public about government policies that have been proven, in practice, to maximize economic growth and equitable prosperity in America and around the world.

Supply-Side is not, as defamed by its detractors, “trickle-down,” enacting big economic advantages, such as tax cuts, for the rich while workers get scraps."

Barring a reading of their report, why should I trust them versus health experts?

 

[Kenny]

I don't think we should hold our breath for any great lesson-learning on the part of those who wield authority. It was clear from the beginning that they were only interested in control. Why would they choose a different interest next time? I ask sincerely.

This is probably true. I wanted to post it because it validated what I have been saying all along but no one accepted it.

 

[Kenny]

I haven't looked at the report, but it was put out by these guys according to the article:

About - Unleash Prosperity

Our Mission The mission of the Committee to Unleash Prosperity is to educate policy makers and the public about government policies that have been proven,…

committeetounleashprosperity.com

"The mission of the Committee to Unleash Prosperity is to educate policy makers and the public about government policies that have been proven, in practice, to maximize economic growth and equitable prosperity in America and around the world.

Supply-Side is not, as defamed by its detractors, “trickle-down,” enacting big economic advantages, such as tax cuts, for the rich while workers get scraps."

Barring a reading of their report, why should I trust them versus health experts?

One of the points was that "The report condemns the stifling of debate” which apparently you don’t agree with.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

One of the points was that "The report condemns the stifling of debate” which apparently you don’t agree with.

I do agree with it. But that wasn't the point of my post.

Edit: Let me clarify. I am for debate and discussion, but not at the expense of emergency response. It's one thing to debate and discuss pandemic responses, and another thing to dismiss health experts based on economic effects. I am calling attention to a likely bias by the makers of the report.

 

[Kenny]

I do agree with it. But that wasn't the point of my post.

Edit: Let me clarify. I am for debate and discussion, but not at the expense of emergency response. It's one thing to debate and discuss pandemic responses, and another thing to dismiss health experts based on economic effects. I am calling attention to a likely bias by the makers of the report.

The deductions were made from reports that are legitimate, but IMV, to say “I am for debate and discussion” but don’t even read the report sounds contrary to me.

This has been vetted by the RF

 

[Guitar's Cry]

The deductions were made from reports that are legitimate, but IMV, to say “I am for debate and discussion” but don’t even read the report sounds contrary to me.

This has been vetted by the RF

I am a critical reader and consider the sources. This is crucial to effective debate. Just because I haven't read it doesn't mean I won't.

Have you read it?

Edit: This is taking into account that the posted article IS NOT the report.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

MSN

The more time that passes, the better we can judge the past - but let’s learn from it.

Short version for those who don't want to click on the link:

The "Committee to Unleash Prosperity," a lobbying group dedicated to pushing fringe, dubious economic ideas, has released a report on all the ways that their ideology conflicts with proper public health policy in emergencies.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

The deductions were made from reports that are legitimate, but IMV, to say “I am for debate and discussion” but don’t even read the report sounds contrary to me.

This has been vetted by the RF

I am a critical reader and consider the sources. This is crucial to effective debate. Just because I haven't read it doesn't mean I won't.

Have you read it?

Edit: This is taking into account that the posted article IS NOT the report.

I've read through some of the report (it's long) as well as another report from them referenced in the OP's article's report, and, so far, I am still feeling there's some bias in that the conclusions are very much focused on the economic values of the group publishing it.

Not that I disagree that there needs to be "non-political discourse," but that there's a fundamental problem with their conclusions. Specifically, they are basing some of their major conclusions on one of their own studies (linked below), where the conclusion specifically says they cannot prove the health impacts are from lockdowns and agree with the "common view" that most of it was from the virus (see the screenshot from the pdf in the link to the study).

Measuring the Death Toll from Non-Covid Causes - Unleash Prosperity

Measuring the Death Toll from Non-Covid Causes Read the Report Executive Summary Very few, if any, public policies of recent times have been more consequential…

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[Kenny]

I am a critical reader and consider the sources. This is crucial to effective debate. Just because I haven't read it doesn't mean I won't.

Have you read it?

Edit: This is taking into account that the posted article IS NOT the report.

Correct… the reports are linked - it is a summary and a perspective of the reports

 

[Twilight Hue]

I don't think we should hold our breath for any great lesson-learning on the part of those who wield authority. It was clear from the beginning that they were only interested in control. Why would they choose a different interest next time? I ask sincerely.

No doubt. Getting them to loosening the teeth they had on the throats of people's livelihoods and right to assemble took quite a bit of effort from the Republicans to break, but not before even more people lost their jobs and businesses and created the economic mess we see today.

 

[Koldo]

MSN

The more time that passes, the better we can judge the past - but let’s learn from it.

But many never will learn from it and will keep making stupid choices... like being opposed to vaccination and not even avoiding gatherings when there is a highly infectious airbone disease being spread around.

 

[Koldo]

No doubt. Getting them to loosening the teeth they had on the throats of people's livelihoods and right to assemble took quite a bit of effort from the Republicans to break, but not before even more people lost their jobs and businesses and created the economic mess we see today.

The economy doesn't matter if you are dead meat.

 

[Unfettered]

No doubt. Getting them to loosening the teeth they had on the throats of people's livelihoods and right to assemble took quite a bit of effort from the Republicans to break, but not before even more people lost their jobs and businesses and created the economic mess we see today.

The economy doesn't matter if you are dead meat.

Setting aside the question of whether or not it's moral to treat people like animals by denying them basic human rights (it isn't moral, in case anyone was wondering) and appealing strictly to logic (or even charity), it makes no sense—as in ZERO (nor is it charitable—as in AT ALL)—to subject 99.x% of the people (those who were always going to survive because the disease was just not a threat to them) to loss of livelihood and/or years of heightened economic distress when those abuses were not going to have a measurable effect on the mortality of those few for whom COVID-19 was gunning from the get-go.

I mean, if we're going to be serious about this and not just let our emotions railroad our neighbors into seeing and doing things our way.

Right?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Setting aside the question of whether or not it's moral to treat people like animals by denying them basic human rights (it isn't moral, in case anyone was wondering) and appealing strictly to logic (or even charity), it makes no sense—as in ZERO (nor is it charitable—as in AT ALL)—to subject 99.x% of the people (those who were always going to survive because the disease was just not a threat to them) to loss of livelihood and/or years of heightened economic distress when those abuses were not going to have a measurable effect on the mortality of those few for whom COVID-19 was gunning from the get-go.

I mean, if we're going to be serious about this and not just let our emotions railroad our neighbors in to seeing and doing things our way.

Right?

Exactly right! I mean, am I my brother's keeper?

Avoiding mild inconvenience is totally worth sacrificing the lives of our most vulnerable!

 

[Revoltingest]

But many never will learn from it and will keep making stupid choices... like being opposed to vaccination and not even avoiding gatherings when there is a highly infectious airbone disease being spread around.

To be fair to those who rail about government
wrecking the economy, I've seen dumb decisions.
Our governor made it illegal to buy paint, but
legal to buy booze. Illegal to go to a 2nd home,
but legal to go to a state park. Letting cops
write tickets for unapproved travel. Her agenda
appeared to be less related to public health,
& more to state revenue.

 

[Unfettered]

Exactly right! I mean, am I my brother's keeper?

Avoiding mild inconvenience is totally worth sacrificing the lives of our most vulnerable!

I'll agree to the Cracker-Jack-Box morality you've presented if you can show in Jesus's teachings or parables (since you're invoking his doctrine) where he advocates that we compel our brother to be his other brother's keeper. A good place to begin your search would be Luke 18:8.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The economy doesn't matter if you are dead meat.

The economy means everything if one is struggling just to even be able to put food on the table and a roof over ones head for themselves and their families to the point they wish they were dead if they can't or are not allowed to.

 

[Revoltingest]

The economy means everything if one is struggling just to even be able to put food on the table and a roof over ones head for themselves and their families to the point they wish they were dead if they can't or are not allowed to.

It appeared to be a problem with the left,
ie, not understanding the dire consequences
of economic decline. And we're seeing kids
falling behind because of school limitations.
Costs of protection measures must be
balanced with benefits.