Lbrp

[Mike182]

Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram. this thread is for UV, but if anyone has any question i will endeavor to answer them to the best of my ability. i must declare though, that my knowledge here is second hand. i have done very little reading on the Golden Dawn, my knowledge is from talking with people who have either been involved with the GD, or are well read on the subject.

of course here is the required Wiki link to make this an official thread

first, a little bit of history.

the LBRP originated from the Golden Dawn, which was structured in levels and orders. new initiates were initiated into the first level of the outer order, and the outer order was concerned almost entirely with reading/learning and gaining a wide knowledge of many topics and subjects. there were very few practical elements in the first levels of the outer order, new initiates were to make their own set of tarot cards and their own rune sets, and the only ritual taught to new initiates was the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram.

the LBRP was taught to new initiates because the LBRP is the first step in any elaborate ritual taught later on in the Golden Dawn, so it was important for new initiates to become confident with it as soon as possible. also, the techniques learnt in performing the LBRP are also required in later Golden Dawn rituals, such as visualisation, vibrating words, correct pronunciation of God Names, and a practical knowledge of the corresponding elements of the Kabalistic tree of life.

the purpose of the ritual is to clear a mental space in which to perform magic, the vibrating of God names can induce an altered state of mind, the visualisation of a circle and guardian figures creates a safety net in the mind, and then obviously, it sets a clear, physical space in which the magician can work.

the LBRP is one that Crowley took with him into his own magical tradition when he left the GD. and of course the basic idea of a circle with four corners will sound very familiar to any Wiccan, Gardner's idea of the circle and the quarters are an adaptation of the LBRP.

so, i think that's enough to open up the discussion of the LBRP. i'll post some more later when i've looked through my books on Crowley

 

[Scarlett Wampus]

I practised the LBRP for several years because I was a member of a Crowley/GD influenced group. Even if I did no other ritual work during the day, which I usually did, I'd do the LBRP twice daily. In terms of Magick theory what you read online would be as good as anything I could say about it. If anyone's got queries about the practical side of it I might be able to contribute something worthwhile though.

 

[Troublemane]

I have had a lot of experience with the LBRP as well, as I have said elsewhere in the forums. I have also switched a few of the God-names around, like YHVH I say to the east, EHEIEH to the south (burning bush was I am that I am, so fire/south),ADNI to the west (Adonai is the Lord of the earth, which I associate with west), and AGLA to the north (represents water, the name AGLA is actually an abbreviation for Atah Gibor Le-olam Adonai,"You, O Lord, are mighty forever",so i placed it with water because water is the universal solvent and the ocean is the place where life originated).

My particular association of the elements to the four directions is a rather complex one, which took me 8 years or so to figure out-----I was studying Enochian magick and the writings of John Dee, when I saw the relationship between the vision Edward Kelly (Dee's scryer) and the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, they were clearly identical. The first horse was white, second was red, third one black, last one green....the colors are the same as the towers in Kelly's vision, but he also included the elements. I took these two and compared notes, seeing in the four horsemen the four elemental kings: White/fire in the south is LEO, Red/earth in the west (red=setting sun) is TAURUS, Black/water in the north is SCORPIO, Green/air in the east is AQUARIUS.

The other reason I chose this arrangement is due to the I Ching sigils: two yin lines(00) represents fixed Yin, which symbolizes water. Two yang lines (11) represents fixed Yang and fire. So I chose water in the north and fire in the south, as the magnetic field/poles of rotation are fixed directions, and the magnetic south is the positive magnetic pole (thus =fire).

Also, still using the I Ching analogy, changing yin (01) represents the element of Air and shows a "rising force", so it is naturally attributed with the East (rising sun); just as changing yang (10) represents the element of Earth and presents a "sinking force", so is attributed naturally to West (and the setting sun).

...so anyway, the four horsemen may be telling us the exact date of the apocalypse (red horse with a sword=mars in aries, black horse with scales=saturn in libra, white horse with bow=sun in sagittarius, green horse with death=venus in scorpio)...or it may be totally symbolic of the continual process of creation/destruction that the Magus must face in his/her rise toward mastery of the elements.

I tend to believe the latter, as I believe the definition of the Magician is one who has mastered Maya, the world of illusion, and has learned how to play with the elements of creation.

 

[Azakel]

I thought you were in my head Mike, I was thinking about starting a thread on the LBRP. I started doing the ritual for the first time about a month ago. But for some reason I never fill right when doing it. In truth I don't believe I resonates right with me. Then after reading a part in the Book of Lies, it hit me that maybe I could change the ritual a bit to fit me. I know it doesn't sound right to do such a thing but, magic is magic and thing in it change. I still do the movements without the words or sayings till I have finished mine. Though the one thing that did upset me was I heard a High Magician say that if you don't believe in the Jewish/Christian God then High Magic/ the LBRP namely isn't for you and to just stick with Witchcraft(sorry I know I bit off topic).

 

[Troublemane]

Though the one thing that did upset me was I heard a High Magician say that if you don't believe in the Jewish/Christian God then High Magic/ the LBRP namely isn't for you and to just stick with Witchcraft(sorry I know I bit off topic).

Magically there is no difference between Jehovah and Jupiter. The Magus is one who is above duality/illusion so there is no distinction between them to the enlightened.


...wait, it says youre LHP pagan on your avatar, could you substitute LHP deity names in there? or do it totally different? Perhaps being LHP you gotta be antinomian, you know do things your own way?

 

[Mike182]

I thought you were in my head Mike, I was thinking about starting a thread on the LBRP. I started doing the ritual for the first time about a month ago. But for some reason I never fill right when doing it. In truth I don't believe I resonates right with me. Then after reading a part in the Book of Lies, it hit me that maybe I could change the ritual a bit to fit me. I know it doesn't sound right to do such a thing but, magic is magic and thing in it change. I still do the movements without the words or sayings till I have finished mine. Though the one thing that did upset me was I heard a High Magician say that if you don't believe in the Jewish/Christian God then High Magic/ the LBRP namely isn't for you and to just stick with Witchcraft(sorry I know I bit off topic).

BAH! you Chaotes are everywhere! lol.

i am still working on the pronunciation of the God names so i've not performed the LBRP. i started off practicing someone's (someone being the author of a book i borrowed from a friend, and i can't remember his name) adaptation of Crowley's LBRP, with Therion, Nuit, Hadit and Babylon as the four cardinal points, which makes sense to a Thelemite because those 4 are all important buzz-words.

as for what beliefs are a prerequisite for practicing high-magic, well, i don't see magic as being dependent upon any belief in Gods, so it can be incorporated into any religious context that welcomes it.

 

[Azakel]

Magically there is no difference between Jehovah and Jupiter. The Magus is one who is above duality/illusion so there is no distinction between them to the enlightened.


...wait, it says youre LHP pagan on your avatar, could you substitute LHP deity names in there? or do it totally different? Perhaps being LHP you gotta be antinomian, you know do things your own way?

I unstand that Magically there might be no different, but in me there is ^_^
And yes gotta be antinomian and do things my own way.

BAH! you Chaotes are everywhere! lol.

i am still working on the pronunciation of the God names so i've not performed the LBRP. i started off practicing someone's (someone being the author of a book i borrowed from a friend, and i can't remember his name) adaptation of Crowley's LBRP, with Therion, Nuit, Hadit and Babylon as the four cardinal points, which makes sense to a Thelemite because those 4 are all important buzz-words.

as for what beliefs are a prerequisite for practicing high-magic, well, i don't see magic as being dependent upon any belief in Gods, so it can be incorporated into any religious context that welcomes it.

Yes we're every where, watch out. The God names are somewhat hard since there in Hebrew, find a good video of it and listen to someone say them, it helps. And you know Mike, I to don't see magic as being dependent on religion ether. Thing is I was already have bad day and what that person said just boiled my blood...... I'm good now.

 

[blackout]

the LBRP originated from the Golden Dawn, which was structured in levels and orders. new initiates were initiated into the first level of the outer order, and the outer order was concerned almost entirely with reading/learning and gaining a wide knowledge of many topics and subjects. there were very few practical elements in the first levels of the outer order, new initiates were to make their own set of tarot cards and their own rune sets, and the only ritual taught to new initiates was the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram.

the LBRP was taught to new initiates because the LBRP is the first step in any elaborate ritual taught later on in the Golden Dawn, so it was important for new initiates to become confident with it as soon as possible. also, the techniques learnt in performing the LBRP are also required in later Golden Dawn rituals, such as visualisation, vibrating words, correct pronunciation of God Names, and a practical knowledge of the corresponding elements of the Kabalistic tree of life.

the purpose of the ritual is to clear a mental space in which to perform magic, the vibrating of God names can induce an altered state of mind, the visualisation of a circle and guardian figures creates a safety net in the mind, and then obviously, it sets a clear, physical space in which the magician can work.

Ahhhh! I get it now!
It's like an innitial technique ritual!
(though I realize that is a bit of an understatement)

Thank you Mike!
I just made the connection at source level. :rainbow1:

I always need to know the "purspose" in a thing.
Or I cannot connect.
I'm funny that way!
And as a musician I certainly DO understand
the profound benefits of practice
in relation to craft, art, and transformational/vibrational magic.

I think I will now consider this more
in terms of my own "practice" of Majik.

 

[Mike182]

Ahhhh! I get it now!
It's like an innitial technique ritual!
(though I realize that is a bit of an understatement)

Thank you Mike!
I just made the connection at source level. :rainbow1:

I always need to know the "purspose" in a thing.
Or I cannot connect.
I'm funny that way!
And as a musician I certainly DO understand
the profound benefits of practice
in relation to craft, art, and transformational/vibrational magic.

I think I will now consider this more
in terms of my own "practice" of Majik.

i'm glad my odd bits of knowledge are helpful from time to time

 

[Scarlett Wampus]

i am still working on the pronunciation of the God names so i've not performed the LBRP. i started off practicing someone's (someone being the author of a book i borrowed from a friend, and i can't remember his name) adaptation of Crowley's LBRP, with Therion, Nuit, Hadit and Babylon as the four cardinal points, which makes sense to a Thelemite because those 4 are all important buzz-words.

Crowley's LBRP? You mean Star Ruby?

I used to do LBRP and Star Ruby a lot. I felt there was enough of a difference between them that they dealt with different planes. My typical routine actually was LBRP, LBRH, Star Ruby and Star Sapphire twice daily as well as Liber Resh at the four appointed times. When group work occurred things tended to open and clos with the LBRP because source material was usually more GD based than specifically Thelemic.

as for what beliefs are a prerequisite for practicing high-magic, well, i don't see magic as being dependent upon any belief in Gods, so it can be incorporated into any religious context that welcomes it.

I don't feel belief in God(s) is a pre-requisite or necessary at all for Magick either. Far from it! Practice comes first. Religious context is more tricky though. For instance, in my experience using an image tradition associated with religious views that are antagonistic to your own can quickly bring things to a halt. I've seen that happen to a lot of people and also to myself. e.g. I really can't get going with GD/Crowley stuff any more.

 

[Azakel]

...wait, it says youre LHP pagan on your avatar, could you substitute LHP deity names in there? or do it totally different? Perhaps being LHP you gotta be antinomian, you know do things your own way?

Old thread, really late reply(realized I never answered your questioned).
Though I don't us the term that much anymore, I still do considered myself LHP.
While I think it's the way they ritual is done and not the names called I am sure that other gods can be used. I have seen Egyptian gods/goddess used in the LBRP.
As for LHP deities I have seen an Lower Banishing Ritual of the Inverted Pentagram.