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Thank you for your kindness Idea;
I suppose your last post is as good an example of any regarding what I mean that the LDS doctrine restores the ancient principle of fairness. My native church taught the modern "orthodoxy" that ALL who do not "accept Jesus" go to a fire-filled hell where they are tortured FOREVER. Our members back then knew it was unjust to punish an infant to a torturous hell, or to send someone who never heard of Jesus to the same torturous hell FOREVER without either the infant or the aborigine having even had a chance to accept Jesus. Though I was taught this in the Christian church of my youth, This is NOT what the earlier Christians taught. For example anciently, Irenaeus explained :
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4) THE LDS RESTORE FAIRNESS TO THE CONCEPT OF REWARD AND PUNISHMENT RENDERED IN THE ATONEMENT OF JESUS CHRIST
Another profound theological difference that I find in LDS theology regards fairness. I grew up with a Christian Theology where there was the simplistic "Heaven and Hell" (despite the historical texts descriptions of multiple heavens and levels within heaven). In this model, those who authentically believed in Jesus went to "Heaven" where they lived in eternal splendor regardless of their many faults, and others who did not authentically believe in Jesus were placed in "Hell" where they suffered eternal agony and torture of flames f o r e v e r for either not having accepted Jesus, OR for not having even heard of Jesus (e.g. "The african native"), or for not having the opportunity to accept Jesus (e.g. the infant who dies after just a few months). Though my Christian friends, acquaintances and even my pastor all knew deep in our hearts and on the surface of our conversations that the doctrine was an abomination, we had no other doctrinal fix for this, since it was clear from the scriptures, that "ALL" must accept Jesus to be "saved", or they are punished. Augustine agonizes over this very issue regarding infant damnation. He doesn’t WANT to damn infants who die. He KNOWS the concept is incorrect. But he has no doctrinal alternative. (Other than a "light damnation").
The LDS were the first (that I know of, besides historian-theists), who returned to the concept of multiple levels of reward or punishment that is in PROPORTION to the person’s relative level of deserving (AFTER considering an atonement of Jesus).
Likewise, the LDS doctrine of proxy work where the dead are taught the gospel just as all others is the simplest and most profound way out of this deep and distasteful unfairness of another version of "damning the innocent". Theist historians have long known of the early Christian doctrine of "amente" where dead souls went after they died while awaiting resurrection since such places were described in the early scriptures such as Jewish Enoch and Christian Abbaton histories, but the doctrines only appear in their fullest and mature forms in the LDS doctrines.
As one leaves the earliest Christian period, a vast number of theological and philosophical complaints arose from Agnostics, Philosophers, and Theists of other religions (and whispered among Christians themselves), regarding the inherent unfairness of Damning people without sufficient reasons. These simple doctrines regarding how the atonement applies to "unfair" situations, do away with almost 1300 years of such complaints and controversy of unfairness.
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As far as multiple levels in heaven -
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead.
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians15:40 - 42)
Celestial, terrestrial, and telestial
89 And thus we saw, in the heavenly vision, the glory of the telestial, which surpasses all understanding;
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section76:89)
The lowest of the 3 kingdoms of glory "surpasses all understanding". Truly,
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians2:9)
Outer darkness, yes, there is one place that is not glorious. Those who see God for who He is, and openly reject Him - and very few there will be who do this, will be left as spirits, will not be allowed to have a body. Without a body they will be unable to harm anyone, they cannot touch anything, cannot harm anyone without a body.
interactive plan of salvation guide - click on the circles /lines.
God's Plan of Salvation
The Holy Spirit is real, it is all real, you really can receive an answer to your prayers. I am praying that you will find what you need to.
Thank you again for your thoughtful responses.
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Thank you for your kindness Idea;
I suppose your last post is as good an example of any regarding what I mean that the LDS doctrine restores the ancient principle of fairness. My native church taught the modern "orthodoxy" that ALL who do not "accept Jesus" go to a fire-filled hell where they are tortured FOREVER. Our members back then knew it was unjust to punish an infant to a torturous hell, or to send someone who never heard of Jesus to the same torturous hell FOREVER without either the infant or the aborigine having even had a chance to accept Jesus. Though I was taught this in the Christian church of my youth, This is NOT what the earlier Christians taught. For example anciently, Irenaeus explained :
If Irenaeus was correct that the ancients taught a heaven with "many rooms" and those there have access to holiness "to the degree that those who see him are worthy", and if the LDS have commenced again teaching this fair and just system of reward and punishment then it represent a correct restoration of a just and fair ancient principle. It is the modern Christians (whose doctrines unjustly condemn innocent infants and those who’ve not had an adequate chance to hear the gospel before dying) who must look carefully at the value of restoring logical and good and reasonable doctrines as they once existed and as they apply to the atonement and salvation of mankind (as well as to JUST punishment). Barnabas instructed the ancient Saints,As the elders say, "then will those who have been deemed worthy of an abode in heaven go there, while others will enjoy the delight of Paradise, and still others will possess the brightness of the city; for in every place the Savior will be seen, to the degree that those who see him are worthy. They say, moreover, that this is the distinction between the dwelling of those who bring forth an hundredfold, and those who bring forth sixtyfold, and those who bring forth thirtyfold : the first will be taken up into the heavens, and second will dwell in Paradise, and the third will inhabit the city. For this reason, therefore, our Lord has said, "In my Father’s house there are many rooms"; for all things are of God, who gives to all their appropriate dwelling...The elders, the disciples of the apostles, say that this is the order and arrangement of those who are being saved, and that they advance by such steps, and ascend through the Spirit to the Son, and through the Son to the Father, the Son finally yielding his work to the Father, as it is also said by the apostle: "For he must reign until he puts all enemies under his feet" Irenaeus, Against Heresies 5:36:1-2
I am excited by the re-introduction of such ancient doctrines that restore a logic and fairness to the atonement."We must, therefore, investigate the present circumstances very carefully and seek out the things that are able to save us. (Barnabas 6.4:1) (underline is mine)
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