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Learning not to lump people together in belief groups and categories

Jim

Nets of Wonder
They already have a group own - Bahais. Talking about not having groups!
"If you are not a Bahai, then you are not for peace in the world."
Thank you. That provides a good example of the stereotyping and animosities across lines of prejudice that I was discussing, an example that I can use to consider how it could be said differently, without grouping people by what they believe and don’t believe.

That was in response to someone suggesting that I start a group of my own, so “they” includes me, in the first post in this thread identifying me as a Baha’i, and at the same time stereotyping and stigmatizing Baha’is as people who believe that anyone who is not a Baha’i is not for peace in the world. That illustrates what I was saying about stereotyping and animosities across lines of prejudice. Now I want to consider an example of what views could possibly be behind it, and how it might be said differently.

It could be that some people who call themselves Baha’is and/or some members of the Baha’i Faith have said or appeared to think that anyone who is not a Baha’i is not for peace in the world. If so, then that would be an example of stereotyping and depreciating people across lines of prejudice. Also, in my own experience, all the people that I’ve seen doing sidewalk preaching in Internet discussions, including preaching for the Baha’i Faith, look to me like they’re stereotyping and depreciating people across lines of prejudice. Actually I don’t think that there’s anyone, including me, who does not do that sometimes. It’s just that using other people’s threads for sidewalk preaching is especially invasive, intrusive, insulting and contemptuous of forum rules, and it might seem like all the people waving Baha’i banners in Internet discussions are doing that.

That was an attempt to give an example of how to discuss cross-divide issues without grouping people according to what they believe and don’t believe. Another way to consider it is for people to stop thinking of the names of religions, names of religious and anti-religious factions, and “atheism,” as names of belief systems.
 

Samana Johann

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Well ... I did say that I want to allow as much freedom as possible for people to say what they think. Obviously that includes personal attacks.
:hugehug:
It's just sheer nonsensical and huge hypocritical, all of your marxist undertakings, farmer Jim, yet, for sure, there will be cattle "buy" into it and become other slaves of confusions.
 

Samana Johann

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Quenching
16. "Cunda, it is impossible that one who is himself sunk in the mire[23] should pull out another who is sunk in the mire. But it is possible, Cunda, that one not sunk in the mire himself should pull out another who is sunk in the mire.

"It is not possible, Cunda, that one who is himself not restrained, not disciplined and not quenched [as to his passions],[24] should make others restrained and disciplined, should make them attain to the full quenching [of passions].[25] But it is possible, Cunda, that one who is himself restrained, disciplined and fully quenched [as to his passions] should make others restrained and disciplined, should make them attain to the full quenching [of passions]. Even so, Cunda:[26]

  • (1) A person given to harmfulness has harmlessness by which to attain to the full quenching [of it].
  • (2) A person given to killing living beings has abstention from killing by which to attain to the full quenching [of it].
  • (3)-(43)...
  • (44) A person given to misapprehending according to his individual views, to holding on to them tenaciously and not discarding them easily, has non-misapprehension of individual views, non-holding on tenaciously and ease in discarding by which to attain the quenching [of them]...
 

Jim

Nets of Wonder
I’m still planning to try to clarify some more what I’m saying, and to give some examples, but I’m busy with some other work for now.
 

Jim

Nets of Wonder
In the thread How might people learn to love with the kind of love that the world needs?, I’ve discussed how the kind of love the world needs might grow and spread. Along with that I think that people will be learning not to lump themselves and others into groups according to what they believe and don’t believe. One very simple way to practice that is, every time a group or category label comes to mind, substitute “sometimes people” or “people sometimes” in the place of it. For example:
- Instead of “Fundamentalist Christians have claimed AIDS as divine retribution on multiple occasions,” think “Sometimes people have claimed AIDS as divine retribution.”
- Instead of “Atheists believe all life evolved from a common ancestor that appeared millions of years ago and evolved into different life forms, including ours,” think “Sometimes people believe all life evolved from a common ancestor that appeared millions of years ago and evolved into different life forms, including ours.”

I might post more examples when I think of them.
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Jim

Nets of Wonder
I’m planning to post examples sometimes of how to practice abstinence from grouping according to what they believe or don’t believe.

- Instead of “Atheists are often obsessed with the natural world and its physical laws where cause and effect can be rationally understood and proven,” think “Sometimes people are obsessed with the natural world and its physical laws where cause and effect can be rationally understood and proven.”
 
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