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Legalizing Drugs Might Be A Boon To Illegal Drug Dealing

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
What class of drugs are mushrooms? What the effects?

Thanks
If, by class you mean the drug scheduling class, there is no need to be concerned with that as it is not logically constructed. For instance, it states that the drugs on it cannot be dosed, which is utterly false as many of the drugs on it were at one point in time prescribed medicines, and dosing something easily done by calculating the amount of grams needed to achieve the desired effect per kilogram of body weight.
Erowid Psilocybin Mushroom (Magic Mushrooms) Vault
That is one of the best websites I have found about drugs. They are considered psychedelic. The easier effects to describe are in improved mood, giddiness, decrease in anxiety and depression, and a great calming. Colors also become very vibrant, music seems more alive, effects that are caused from the increase in brain activity and neural connections that happen during a mushroom trip. The effects that are harder to describe to someone who hasn't tripped include seeing things, such as complexed geometric patterns, and what might be able to be described as "breaking through" or a "spiritual walk."
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
If, by class you mean the drug scheduling class, there is no need to be concerned with that as it is not logically constructed. For instance, it states that the drugs on it cannot be dosed, which is utterly false as many of the drugs on it were at one point in time prescribed medicines, and dosing something easily done by calculating the amount of grams needed to achieve the desired effect per kilogram of body weight.
Erowid Psilocybin Mushroom (Magic Mushrooms) Vault
That is one of the best websites I have found about drugs. They are considered psychedelic. The easier effects to describe are in improved mood, giddiness, decrease in anxiety and depression, and a great calming. Colors also become very vibrant, music seems more alive, effects that are caused from the increase in brain activity and neural connections that happen during a mushroom trip. The effects that are harder to describe to someone who hasn't tripped include seeing things, such as complexed geometric patterns, and what might be able to be described as "breaking through" or a "spiritual walk."

Thanks Shadow
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Yes. But marijuana manufacture & sales is unique in that business expenses aren't tax deductable. Adding income tax to their costs makes them much more expensive than illegal competition (ignoring costs unique to criminal enterprises).
That's ridiculous! What are they thinking? Seriously...
 

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Yes. But marijuana manufacture & sales is unique in that business expenses aren't tax deductable. Adding income tax to their costs makes them much more expensive than illegal competition (ignoring costs unique to criminal enterprises).
That's because we're in a weird, presumably temporary era where marijuana is legalized in some states but still illegal at the federal level. The problem is still basically the same as imposing excise taxes on the product, in that the price ends up being higher for the consumer, except that the accounting is different (since it's in the form of a lack of expense deductions, resulting in the business need to raise prices and increase revenue), and by the sound of it, the magnitude is a bit higher.

Personally I support the legalization of marijuana on the federal and state levels and then putting a mild excise tax on it and eliminating the whole War on Drugs. That would also open up the hemp industry for fair competition because the main excuse currently given for keeping it illegal is that growing hemp is too much like the other stuff.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
It has just recently come to my knowledge that there is a massive epidemic of drug use in Punjab (a state in India), where some studies show that upto 70% of the youth are addicted to hard drugs. The smuggling has been massively facilitated by Pakistan.

I used to be pro legalization of all drugs, but now I have changed my mind. Drugs will destroy a society, no matter how much we try to legalize and control it. Especially hard drugs.
Drugs probably can seriously damage society, they are pretty dangerous. But societies that have legalised them haven't been destroyed. There are a lot of things to take into account including how likely it is that you have the kind of society where youths would rather be shooting up than participating in it.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That would also open up the hemp industry for fair competition because the main excuse currently given for keeping it illegal is that growing hemp is too much like the other stuff.
It's sad that people believe that, because it is so very false.
and your cognition was enhanced in what aspect?
There is deeper philosophical thought, and even by my own standards I become hyper rational. The best effect is that for a few days after my anxiety and depression are very low, I feel great, and practically everyone that knows me can tell there is a major improvement in my mood.
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
WASHINGTON: Tax Day is source of unhappiness for marijuana industry | Economy | McClatchy DC



Legalization will lessen the stigma of recreational drug use, perhaps increasing demand.
But federal tax policy will give illegal dealers a great price advantage over legal businesses,
who must pay income tax on gross income (no business deductions allowed).

Maybe. But I think the majority of people would rather purchase legal products, even at higher prices. I know a fair number of cigarette smokers, and even though cigarettes are astronomically expensive due to taxes, I have yet to meet someone who seeks out smuggled cigarettes to avoid paying the taxes. In general, I think people prefer to be on the up and up, if they can do so without too much difficulty or pain.

Secondarily, getting something illegally is usually a hassle. Sometimes a minor hassle, sometimes a pain in the butt. Plus the risks involved. People will certainly go to the trouble and take the risks if the choice is to do so or not to have what they want at all. But if they can get what they want without the effort and risk, they will likely choose the path of least resistance, even if it costs more.

This will be evened out a lot when the Federal government finally gets its head out of its *** and legalizes marijuana everywhere, or at least at the Federal level and leaves the States to their own devices.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Maybe. But I think the majority of people would rather purchase legal products, even at higher prices. I know a fair number of cigarette smokers, and even though cigarettes are astronomically expensive due to taxes, I have yet to meet someone who seeks out smuggled cigarettes to avoid paying the taxes. In general, I think people prefer to be on the up and up, if they can do so without too much difficulty or pain.

Secondarily, getting something illegally is usually a hassle. Sometimes a minor hassle, sometimes a pain in the butt. Plus the risks involved. People will certainly go to the trouble and take the risks if the choice is to do so or not to have what they want at all. But if they can get what they want without the effort and risk, they will likely choose the path of least resistance, even if it costs more.

This will be evened out a lot when the Federal government finally gets its head out of its *** and legalizes marijuana everywhere, or at least at the Federal level and leaves the States to their own devices.
Three paragraphs, & yet I find nothing there to disagree with.
You can do better that that!
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
This will be evened out a lot when the Federal government finally gets its head out of its *** and legalizes marijuana everywhere, or at least at the Federal level and leaves the States to their own devices.
The only way to deal a death blow to the drug cartels is full legalization of all drugs at the federal level. If were left up to the states not enough of them would support legalization to not kill off the profit motives for the cartels.
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
The only way to deal a death blow to the drug cartels is full legalization of all drugs at the federal level. If were left up to the states not enough of them would support legalization to not kill off the profit motives for the cartels.

I could not agree more, for the most part. I actually don't have a problem with one or two more exceptionally dangerous drugs, like PCP, being mostly decriminalized but not fully legalized (in other words, only a ticketable offense for possession or sale, but chargeable as a contributing factor in violent offenses). But in regard to average common use drugs, such as marijuana, cocaine, heroin, psychedelics, methamphetamine, etc., I concur, legalization will help far more than it harms, and is the only way to reduce international crime, break the cartels, and reduce our prison population and relieve our clogged court system.
 
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