Let the innocent children suffer

[Nakosis]

I think the easy answer is that what happens is God's plan. You go about your business doing what you think should be done. If you step in, that's because it was God's plan. If you don't step in, that's also because it was God's plan. You're assuming you can act in a way that God doesn't want you to act. Whereas whatever you do, it's what God wants you to do. However someone else might not understand the purpose of your action or inaction and maybe disagree with what you do. The assumption being that God has a larger purpose which that person can't understand.

 

[McBell]

if you do, then it was God's plan. Whatever happens, is God's plan. Whatever you feel about what happens, is also God's plan. Nothing is stopping you from doing whatever you do, just know that you doing so is God's plan.

Interesting.
So if god gets a free pass, then why dont we get the same free pass if it is all just part of his plan?
someone gets murdered, gods plan.
someone gets raped, gods plan.

One wonders how it is we mere mortals can justify any punishment of anything if everything is all part of gods plan.

Was the US Supreme Court decision to ban all same sex marriage bans also part of gods plan?
One wonders why so many people tried to thwart gods plans all the while claiming god wanted same sex marriage banned...?

 

[Desert Snake]

Testing for what? And where is this written? Your "idea" here is quite lame, exchanging the value of innocent life for a mere test. A test whose outcome an omniscient god would be well aware of, and thus necessarily pointless.

Yes, blame the invisible sky deity for humanities failings.

 

[Nakosis]

Interesting.
So if god gets a free pass, then why dont we get the same free pass if it is all just part of his plan?
someone gets murdered, gods plan.
someone gets raped, gods plan.

One wonders how it is we mere mortals can justify any punishment of anything if everything is all part of gods plan.

I suspect some people would agree with you.

Romans 14
"10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt?
11 It is written:
As surely as I live, says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.
12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God."

Was the US Supreme Court decision to ban all same sex marriage bans also part of gods plan?
One wonders why so many people tried to thwart gods plans all the while claiming god wanted same sex marriage banned...?

Apparently God is no respecter of folks claiming to know God's will.

 

[jojom]

Yes, blame the invisible sky deity for humanities failings.

Sorry that you fail to get it.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Sorry that you fail to get it.

Do you have a point?

 

[jojom]

Do you have a point?

Sure. I'm sorry that disciple fails to understand how my reply:

"Testing for what? And where is this written? Your "idea" here is quite lame, exchanging the value of innocent life for a mere test. A test whose outcome an omniscient god would be well aware of, and thus necessarily pointless."​

addresses beenherebeforeagain's remark.

"Yes, because the people the Deity is testing, who should intervene and stop the suffering of children, don't. I'm offering the idea of a test of those who are "not" suffering as the reason children (and others) suffer. Were they to act in the way the deity wants, there would be no children suffering, and no "problem of evil."
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No biggie, J. S..

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[Jayhawker Soule]

Sure.

My question is about your thread in general. In a forum that has discussed the Problem of Evil ad nauseam your hyperbole to the effect that God is a meanie strikes me as a bit shallow and underwhelming. So, again: what is your point?

 

[jojom]

My question is about your thread in general. In a forum that has discussed the Problem of Evil ad nauseam your hyperbole to the effect that God is a meanie strikes me as a bit shallow and underwhelming. So, again: what is your point?

Sorry I wasn't around when the problem of evil was discussed ad nauseam. Forgive me for coming in late and making noise when I sat down.

Not quite sure what "hyperbole" you're referring to, but it's quite alright that it strikes you as a bit shallow and underwhelming.

That I can see god is a meanie, which is how he comes across in the Bible, is pretty much explained in post 6, which focuses on how Christians often excuse suffering in the world

1. God works in mysterious way. (Implication: children suffer for good reason.)

2. Who are we to question god's reasons for doing anything? (Implication: children suffer for good reason.)

3. What appears to us to be bad is really for the better. We are just incapable of seeing it. (Implication: children suffer for good reason.)
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These trite excuses for why god allows children to suffer for a good reason simply don't fly. So, as it stands, I see no good reason for the suffering. Therefore, in as much as children do suffer, and god, an omnipotent being who has the power to stop it lets it continue, he certainly does come off as a meanie.

What would you think of someone who could stop their child from suffering, but for no good reason chooses not to? Good guy or meanie? However, if you believe god does have a good reason for letting children suffer, let's hear it.


Of course the point of my opening post was to find answers, which is why I asked:

". . . does anyone have the right to step into god's plan and alleviate the suffering? Should we be bringing children to doctors and hospitals to stop the suffering? If so, then where do we draw the line between trying to stop such suffering, and going along with god's plan to let children suffer? And, should we even care about the millions that suffered and died in WWII concentration camps?"​

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

That I can see god is a meanie, which is how he comes across in the Bible, is pretty much explained in post 6, which focuses on how Christians often excuse suffering in the world.

So you're a theist who doesn't like the god that you imagine to exist. Got it.

 

[jojom]

So you're a theist who doesn't like the god that you imagine to exist. Got it.

You do recognize that a nice god isn't the only kind that could be behind the curtains, don't you?

I note that chose not to answer my question, but I understand. It would probably go against your religion.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

So you're a theist who doesn't like the god that you imagine to exist. Got it.

You do recognize that a nice god isn't the only kind that could be behind the curtains, don't you?

Was that a 'yes'?

I note that chose not to answer my question, but I understand. It would probably go against your religion.

I'm sorry: I did not intend to avoid a question. Would you mind asking it again?

 

[jojom]

Was that a 'yes'?

Well, it wasn't really a question, but if you want to phrase it as one, then I'd say, it's a presumption that doesn't apply. I'm not committed to any kind of god.

I'm sorry: I did not intend to avoid a question. Would you mind asking it again?

What would you think of someone who could stop their child from suffering, but for no good reason chooses not to? Good guy or meanie? However, if you believe god does have a good reason for letting children suffer, let's hear it.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Well, it wasn't really a question, but if you want to phrase it as one, then I'd say, it's a presumption that doesn't apply. I'm not committed to any kind of god.

Fair enough.

{A} What would you think of someone who could stop their child from suffering, but for no good reason chooses not to? {B} Good guy or meanie?

• I would think that this 'someone' was sociopathic.
• Sociopath.

However, if you believe god does have a good reason for letting children suffer, let's hear it.

I believe that terms such as good, bad, reasonable, unreasonable, etc., are simply inapplicable to preternatural agency assuming, of course, that such agency exists.