Let's be honest about racism

[Epic Beard Man]

In another thread created by @Sunstone regarding the racist views of Trump, I've noticed some members here as well as some of the commentaries made by Trump supporters online tend to dismiss Trump's comments (as if he was keeping it real). I submit the following videos as proof that we need to be honest that Trump just represents a base where there are people who hold private racist views of people of color but do not express them openly. As my professor of multi-cultural studies have stated:

"Racism and to be associated with it, resonates with ugliness. Although those who hold extreme views are blinded by its ugliness hence their openness, you have those that straddle the racist fence who wish to jump over and express their ugliness but fear of social ridicule via categorization from family and others."

See the following videos:

Another:

Let us forget the actual nations and their conditions, but what about the people effected by such comments? What does some of Trumps base think? I tend to think the guy at 1:40 is primarily Trumps major base

Ann Coulter and her racism exposed:

Again let us stop talking about governments and the actual conditions, let us look at how the people are effected by these comments. When a president says "why don't we have immigrants from Norway?" which is a predominantly white country, it speaks volumes. Not surprisingly he stated during the Charlottesville incident proclaiming "there are good people on both sides" while Neo-Nazis holding confederate flags is something he has embraced. Unfortunately black students like myself still feel that the "silent majority" is comprised of people who hold the same sentiments as Trump. Again going back to speaking out, I am baffled that I'm continuously having to explain myself as to why such and such black person reacts a certain way, yet from the Caucasian demographic at least in social media and in the news, there is silence. Yet, they say there is no racism since Obama was elected pffft!

 

[Jumi]

I think what you wrote could be multiple topics.

Unfortunately black students like myself still feel that the "silent majority" is comprised of people who hold the same sentiments as Trump. Again going back to speaking out, I am baffled that I'm continuously having to explain myself as to why such and such black person reacts a certain way, yet from the Caucasian demographic at least in social media and in the news, there is silence. Yet, they say there is no racism since Obama was elected pffft!

This caught my eye a bit, since it's pretty universal line of thinking and expectation. In my country people often think all Russians have certain type of character, despite the fact that many of them actually voicing differently. After ISIS attacks, many seemed to think that the "silent majority" of Muslims was on that side despite condemnations by Muslims. Many think majority atheists harbor great dreams of Soviet Union or are on the side of North Korea, despite it being evident otherwise...

 

[Sunstone]

I suspect the "silent majority" is less racist than you seem to think, EBM, but that might be wishful thinking on my part. Nevertheless, I think the racists in this country represent only about a quarter to a third of the population, rather than a majority. On the other hand, I do agree with you that the majority of people are relatively silent on the issue. They might not be racists (in my view, if not in yours), but they aide and abet racism by remaining largely silent about it when they encounter it.

 

[BSM1]

In another thread created by @Sunstone regarding the racist views of Trump, I've noticed some members here as well as some of the commentaries made by Trump supporters online tend to dismiss Trump's comments (as if he was keeping it real). I submit the following videos as proof that we need to be honest that Trump just represents a base where there are people who hold private racist views of people of color but do not express them openly. As my professor of multi-cultural studies have stated:

"Racism and to be associated with it, resonates with ugliness. Although those who hold extreme views are blinded by its ugliness hence their openness, you have those that straddle the racist fence who wish to jump over and express their ugliness but fear of social ridicule via categorization from family and others."

See the following videos:

Another:

Let us forget the actual nations and their conditions, but what about the people effected by such comments? What does some of Trumps base think? I tend to think the guy at 1:40 is primarily Trumps major base

Ann Coulter and her racism exposed:

Again let us stop talking about governments and the actual conditions, let us look at how the people are effected by these comments. When a president says "why don't we have immigrants from Norway?" which is a predominantly white country, it speaks volumes. Not surprisingly he stated during the Charlottesville incident proclaiming "there are good people on both sides" while Neo-Nazis holding confederate flags is something he has embraced. Unfortunately black students like myself still feel that the "silent majority" is comprised of people who hold the same sentiments as Trump. Again going back to speaking out, I am baffled that I'm continuously having to explain myself as to why such and such black person reacts a certain way, yet from the Caucasian demographic at least in social media and in the news, there is silence. Yet, they say there is no racism since Obama was elected pffft!

You may be right. Why just last week Trump signed a bill creating a national park in honor of MLK. Overtly racist if you ask me. I understand now why Obama refused to do this.

 

[Quetzal]

The only reason we seem to think otherwise is because the media portrays it as such. It sells, very well. Take a few clips of some ignorant people saying stupid things, blast it on every news break you can find and there you have it. You naturally begin to believe that it is more widespread than it actually is. Statistics seem to be indicating a downward trend in hate crimes. While this certainly isn't conclusive in itself, it is promising to see. ( https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hcv0415_sum.pdf )

Another reason we might be fooled into thinking this is a bigger problem than it might actually be is the ease at which these individuals can publish their ideas. Thanks to the rise in popularity of social media, anyone can promote anything they like with the click of a mouse. It has never been easier to find people who share your views.

So what we see is a very focal, very angry group of people. And they should be angry! Their entire reality is being shattered one day, one person at a time. It is growing less and less acceptable to say things. As this trend continues, their world gets smaller. They get desperate. They hold rallies (that rarely exceed a few hundred), they wave their Confederate flags, and they become more bold in hopes to rally support. But the reality is they are fading out. The world is moving on without them and they are terrified.

 

[bobhikes]

In another thread created by @Sunstone regarding the racist views of Trump, I've noticed some members here as well as some of the commentaries made by Trump supporters online tend to dismiss Trump's comments (as if he was keeping it real). I submit the following videos as proof that we need to be honest that Trump just represents a base where there are people who hold private racist views of people of color but do not express them openly. As my professor of multi-cultural studies have stated:

"Racism and to be associated with it, resonates with ugliness. Although those who hold extreme views are blinded by its ugliness hence their openness, you have those that straddle the racist fence who wish to jump over and express their ugliness but fear of social ridicule via categorization from family and others."



Let us forget the actual nations and their conditions, but what about the people effected by such comments? What does some of Trumps base think? I tend to think the guy at 1:40 is primarily Trumps major base

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Again let us stop talking about governments and the actual conditions, let us look at how the people are effected by these comments. When a president says "why don't we have immigrants from Norway?" which is a predominantly white country, it speaks volumes. Not surprisingly he stated during the Charlottesville incident proclaiming "there are good people on both sides" while Neo-Nazis holding confederate flags is something he has embraced. Unfortunately black students like myself still feel that the "silent majority" is comprised of people who hold the same sentiments as Trump. Again going back to speaking out, I am baffled that I'm continuously having to explain myself as to why such and such black person reacts a certain way, yet from the Caucasian demographic at least in social media and in the news, there is silence. Yet, they say there is no racism since Obama was elected pffft!

I agree totally a president should be held to and hold a higher standard than a drunken bar customer or pumped up locker room client. Both of which are things that by his own words he does not do. It is also depressing that the Republican party as a whole will not stand up for Americans.

It is not true however that the Caucasian demographic is being silent my Facebook page is loaded with complaints about the Racism by the President. Democrats and the News media that is not fox have been hammering the racism issue. I announced on Facebook and will only refer to the President as President Poop head anymore almost all of my friends liked and commented with more negative titles. I wrote my Republican congressman asking to censor or discipline President Poop head. I truly believe the 2018 election will be a landslide for the Democrats and then the 2020 election unless the Republicans get rid of President Poop head.

In a weird way I am hopeful that because President Poop head is such a racist, racism has come out of the shadows and under a spot light, so maybe we can resolve some of this. Unfortunately people are going to be shocked and disappointed in the short term but it is in the long term that I can see improvement. Keep the pressure on, as that is the only way it will be resolved.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I think what you wrote could be multiple topics.


This caught my eye a bit, since it's pretty universal line of thinking and expectation. In my country people often think all Russians have certain type of character, despite the fact that many of them actually voicing differently. After ISIS attacks, many seemed to think that the "silent majority" of Muslims was on that side despite condemnations by Muslims. Many think majority atheists harbor great dreams of Soviet Union or are on the side of North Korea, despite it being evident otherwise...

It could be, but my main focus in this thread on us as United States citizens at being honest about the continuance of racism that goes on in this country. It is frustrating to me to see the Trump base to think there isn't and that, Trump's views are "telling it like how it is," and if that is true, then saying it how it is reflects upon the nature of a large portion of U.S citizens.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

You may be right. Why just last week Trump signed a bill creating a national park in honor of MLK. Overtly racist if you ask me. I understand now why Obama refused to do this.

Yep, tokenism makes it all better.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I suspect the "silent majority" is less racist than you seem to think, EBM, but that might be wishful thinking on my part. Nevertheless, I think the racists in this country represent only about a quarter to a third of the population, rather than a majority. On the other hand, I do agree with you that the majority of people are relatively silent on the issue. They might not be racists (in my view, if not in yours), but they aide and abet racism by remaining largely silent about it when they encounter it.

Let's look at the silent majority shall we?

In this particular thread what or who is the silent majority?

According to some definitions the Silent Majority is:

"The silent majority is an unspecified large group of people in a country or group who do not express their opinions publicly."

Of course you know that, I just had to throw that definition out there for other people, but the term itself was coined by president Nixon as a Euphemism in relation to the dead and voters around the world. But in Trump's era, I tend to think the silent majority does in fact refer to people who want to "build the wall" or who wants immigrants to acclimate to being American (whatever that is) and to speak English not their native tongue, or to not adopt welfare (even though welfare recipients are comprised of mostly Caucasians). More importantly the silent majority is against filtering language whether it is racist, sexist, bigoted or other.....This is why I posted the second CNN video on Trump supporters weighing in on what Trump recently said. It is one thing to "tell it like how it is" and it's another to think making disparaging comments is somehow the truth. Your theoretical percentages I would say are optimistic at best, but however sir, I'm the one on the ground living this reality.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

You may be right. Why just last week Trump signed a bill creating a national park in honor of MLK. Overtly racist if you ask me. I understand now why Obama refused to do this.

Like my mother used to say "even the KKK listens to Michael Jackson."

The slave master still had sex with the female black slave despite despising their color and culture.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I agree totally a president should be held to and hold a higher standard than a drunken bar customer or pumped up locker room client. Both of which are things that by his own words he does not do. It is also depressing that the Republican party as a whole will not stand up for Americans.

It is not true however that the Caucasian demographic is being silent my Facebook page is loaded with complaints about the Racism by the President. Democrats and the News media that is not fox have been hammering the racism issue. I announced on Facebook and will only refer to the President as President Poop head anymore almost all of my friends liked and commented with more negative titles. I wrote my Republican congressman asking to censor or discipline President Poop head. I truly believe the 2018 election will be a landslide for the Democrats and then the 2020 election unless the Republicans get rid of President Poop head.

In a weird way I am hopeful that because President Poop head is such a racist, racism has come out of the shadows and under a spot light, so maybe we can resolve some of this. Unfortunately people are going to be shocked and disappointed in the short term but it is in the long term that I can see improvement. Keep the pressure on, as that is the only way it will be resolved.

I'm not denying that a certain portion of people are speaking out against #45 but it's one thing on Facebook to speak out against it, it is another to speak out against him publically. This is why I drew the parallel of cultural obligation when one member or a few tend to do something bad, the rest has to answer for it. Just as I have to answer for why such and such individual who I've never met in my life save they share the same skin tone is me, why they did such and such or why they riot. Why can I not do the same thing? After the Michael Brown shooting I was asked by some of my own co-workers "why do blacks riot their own neighborhoods?" Why do blacks get mad at customer service lines? Why do blacks talk loud? Why do blacks do blah blah blah. See my point?

Hence is my response here as to why Caucasian Americans who disagree with trump aren't more vocal save the young kids among Antifa? Why does it take a rag tag group of young kids who are somewhat destructive to bring the light the racism and fascism going on in the States? I would love to see the day where Caucasian Americans who are progressive liberal who are moderate take back the culture of sanity aware from the ignorant, create a group without the help of any person of color. "Whites against racism/fascism" or whatever. Not one black face or Latino or any minority....Such a group would not only speak volumes but it would shake the trees. I think it would change the social dynamic and perceptions among minorities especially African-Americans and other people of color who are still innately wary of Caucasian Americans.

 

[Stanyon]

In another thread created by @Sunstone regarding the racist views of Trump, I've noticed some members here as well as some of the commentaries made by Trump supporters online tend to dismiss Trump's comments (as if he was keeping it real). I submit the following videos as proof that we need to be honest that Trump just represents a base where there are people who hold private racist views of people of color but do not express them openly. As my professor of multi-cultural studies have stated:

"Racism and to be associated with it, resonates with ugliness. Although those who hold extreme views are blinded by its ugliness hence their openness, you have those that straddle the racist fence who wish to jump over and express their ugliness but fear of social ridicule via categorization from family and others."

See the following videos:

Another:

Let us forget the actual nations and their conditions, but what about the people effected by such comments? What does some of Trumps base think? I tend to think the guy at 1:40 is primarily Trumps major base

Ann Coulter and her racism exposed:

Again let us stop talking about governments and the actual conditions, let us look at how the people are effected by these comments. When a president says "why don't we have immigrants from Norway?" which is a predominantly white country, it speaks volumes. Not surprisingly he stated during the Charlottesville incident proclaiming "there are good people on both sides" while Neo-Nazis holding confederate flags is something he has embraced. Unfortunately black students like myself still feel that the "silent majority" is comprised of people who hold the same sentiments as Trump. Again going back to speaking out, I am baffled that I'm continuously having to explain myself as to why such and such black person reacts a certain way, yet from the Caucasian demographic at least in social media and in the news, there is silence. Yet, they say there is no racism since Obama was elected pffft!

Here's an interesting video made by an immigrant from Nigeria, at base he is echoing some of the same observations and points quite a few other blacks have been saying about some on the left for years. The way I see it, he is a public voice for the real silent majority which are people of colour that are tired of being used by the left for political purposes.
This man actually is from a country in Africa and agrees it is a s******* @ 4:40-4:48

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Here's an interesting video made by an immigrant from Nigeria, at base he is echoing some of the same observations and points quite a few other blacks have been saying about some on the left for years. The way I see it, he is a public voice for the real silent majority which are people of colour that are tired of being used by the left for political purposes.
This man actually is from a country in Africa and agrees it is a s******* @ 4:40-4:48

I'm not watching that video. You're just like all the others, one black person comments you think that speaks the entire truth for everyone else. How about addressing the subject of the thread?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

 

[bobhikes]

I'm not denying that a certain portion of people are speaking out against #45 but it's one thing on Facebook to speak out against it, it is another to speak out against him publically. This is why I drew the parallel of cultural obligation when one member or a few tend to do something bad, the rest has to answer for it. Just as I have to answer for why such and such individual who I've never met in my life save they share the same skin tone is me, why they did such and such or why they riot. Why can I not do the same thing? After the Michael Brown shooting I was asked by some of my own co-workers "why do blacks riot their own neighborhoods?" Why do blacks get mad at customer service lines? Why do blacks talk loud? Why do blacks do blah blah blah. See my point?

Hence is my response here as to why Caucasian Americans who disagree with trump aren't more vocal save the young kids among Antifa? Why does it take a rag tag group of young kids who are somewhat destructive to bring the light the racism and fascism going on in the States? I would love to see the day where Caucasian Americans who are progressive liberal who are moderate take back the culture of sanity aware from the ignorant, create a group without the help of any person of color. "Whites against racism/fascism" or whatever. Not one black face or Latino or any minority....Such a group would not only speak volumes but it would shake the trees. I think it would change the social dynamic and perceptions among minorities especially African-Americans and other people of color who are still innately wary of Caucasian Americans.

I do not know where you live or who your co-workers are and I agree there are those that have a hidden racism but not all Caucasians are the same. I do speak up in public actually at times angering people. I have Minority friends of many different races including Black Americans and I have had them since my youth. I married an illegal immigrant from El Salvador and have visited El Salvador. Yet I am as Caucasian as You can be Only of European descent. Because of me being Caucasian other Caucasians are comfortable speaking their minds around I have inside knowledge and a lot of Caucasians now have friends that are immigrants or Black Americans. Of course I live in New Jersey where no matter where you go you will find immigrants and Black Americans.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I suspect the "silent majority" is less racist than you seem to think, EBM, but that might be wishful thinking on my part.

Its like this: there are a few outspoken racists. They are like turds in a punch bowl. Then you have people who are too stupid to know how to speak out against them. For example I was on a bus and some turd started saying mean hateful things to the bus driver. It was some inbred camoflauge wearing child molester and his friends. They were young, sort of like a gang of three or four hanging up near the front of the bus. Someone tried to start a fight with them, but the bus driver told everyone to calm down. If I had half a brain I should have called the person out and had an insult fight. That would have been an appropriate use for that skill, but I just was totally useless. That bus driver never again was as friendly or as happy.

When a really stupid and outspoken racist says something, its easy to feel cowed. Its easy to not be the point man, the one who calls them out on it. Therefore they do in fact make the whole punchbowl stink.

 

[Stanyon]

I'm not watching that video. You're just like all the others, one black person comments you think that speaks the entire truth for everyone else. How about addressing the subject of the thread?

A black man whose comments echoes many of the same things I have personally heard from many other black people most of my life? How about watching the video of a man that actually lived in Africa, became a U.S. citizen, and voted for Hillary Clinton that agrees with Donald Trump that Africa is a s*******. Or we can just all go around watching our corporate medias telling us what the next "outrage" is and pretending it speaks the entire truth for everyone.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The thing I don't understand is there are a lot of other minorities that don't carry on the subject of race as much as black folks.
And I hate using the word "black folks" as well because of this, but I'm of the opinion that if you keep using your skin color as a lever for or against racism, it's just going to keep festering on and on because there is a continual reinforcement by telling people you're actually different from one another because your skin colors different so I should have special treatment, or in the converse you deserve to be demeaned and made into second class people.

Morgan Freeman said it best in terms to the effect that if you really want to end racism, stop talking about your or someone else's skin color all the time in order to make and prove points.

Fortunately a fair portion of the country isn't like that. It's just a few that just won't let the issue of skin color settle.

 

[Jumi]

It could be, but my main focus in this thread on us as United States citizens at being honest about the continuance of racism that goes on in this country. It is frustrating to me to see the Trump base to think there isn't and that, Trump's views are "telling it like how it is," and if that is true, then saying it how it is reflects upon the nature of a large portion of U.S citizens.

Same could be said of all groups. It's kind of hard to say about majorities, if we expect them all to speak up on some issue since that kind of thing has never happened in any group. If we expect all the US whites to speak up on race issues, are we expecting all atheists to speak up on China, Russians on Stalin and Muslims on ISIS? It's not going to happen. Talking about silent majorities is like that. It's a negative expectation, just like racism is.

 

[Quetzal]

A black man whose comments echoes many of the same things I have personally heard from many other black people most of my life? How about watching the video of a man that actually lived in Africa, became a U.S. citizen, and voted for Hillary Clinton that agrees with Donald Trump that Africa is a s*******. Or we can just all go around watching our corporate medias telling us what the next "outrage" is and pretending it speaks the entire truth for everyone.

My protest is not whether or not those countries are, indeed, "sh**holes". My protest is that we know these countries are in need. We know that there are people fleeing from there in hopes of making something better. But, some of those folks who are praising Trump for speaking his mind have no trouble marginalizing those very same people. My point is they have no trouble taunting people from countries that are impoverished while at the same time want to rake all of the resources they need to make themselves better to their own pot. If you have the stones to call someones home a ******** and perpetually support a system to keep it that way, you are part of the problem.