Lets face reality

[We Never Know]

Reality is plain to see if we want to see it.

Bob is straight, Bill is gay. Bob and Bill will never see eye to eye.

Bob owns guns. Bill thinks guns should be banned. Bob and Bill will never see eye to eye.

Bob is democrat. Bill is republican. Bob and Bill will never see eye to eye.

Bob is atheist. Bill is religious. Bob and Bill will never see eye to eye.

Bob isn't transgender. Bill is trandsgender. Bob and bill will never see eye to eye.

Etc. Etc.

Some will overlook, some semi-agree, some tolerate, some lie that its ok.

IMO people with big difference will never see eye to eye. It is what it is. Its life. Live it.

If everyone worried about living their own life instead of worrying about how others live thiers, life would be so much better.

 

[Windwalker]

Life is diversity. Get used to it, or live in misery and constant conflict. It's totally your choice to be happy or angry all the time.

 

[JDMS]

Straight people will never see eye-to-eye with gay people? Cisgender people will never see eye-to-eye with trans people? What an absurd claim.

Being trans or gay doesn't necessarily change your political or moral outlook on it's own, whereas political opinions or religious opinions often do. And for the record, and atheist and a Shinto follower could get along great. An atheist and a Christian might not. Not all religions are the same.

Just like any other minority group, the moral and political outlook of these people will be determined by many factors. Do you think black people and white people will never see eye-to-eye? Women and men?

 

[We Never Know]

Straight people will never see eye-to-eye with gay people? Cisgender people will never see eye-to-eye with trans people? What an absurd claim.

Being trans or gay doesn't necessarily change your political or moral outlook on it's own, whereas political opinions or religious opinions often do. And for the record, and atheist and a Shinto follower could get along great. An atheist and a Christian might not. Not all religions are the same.

Just like any other minority group, the moral and political outlook of these people will be determined by many factors. Do you think black people and white people will never see eye-to-eye? Women and men?

"Do you think black people and white people will never see eye-to-eye? Women and men?"

No and no.


Bob is straight, Bill is gay. Bob and Bill will never see eye to eye.
-Evidence. See threads on this forum

Bob owns guns. Bill thinks guns should be banned. Bob and Bill will never see eye to eye.
-Evidence. See threads on this forum

Bob is democrat. Bill is republican. Bob and Bill will never see eye to eye.
-Evidence. See threads on this forum

Bob is atheist. Bill is religious. Bob and Bill will never see eye to eye.
-Evidence. See threads on this forum

Bob isn't transgender. Bill is trandsgender. Bob and bill will never see eye to eye.
-Evidence. See threads on this forum

 

[JDMS]

"Do you think black people and white people will never see eye-to-eye? Women and men?"

No and no.

Do you understand the meaning of "seeing eye-to-eye"? It means you agree with them and have the same opinions and views (generally speaking or on a specific issue).

A Christian and an atheist will probably never see eye-to-eye on certain major opinions, such as the validity of the Bible as God's orated truth. But they could get along on other major opinions, such as political opinions. Same goes with a republican and a democrat that are both either Christian or atheist.

But a straight person and a gay person could see eye-to-eye on both religion AND political beliefs. A democratic, left-wing, atheist straight man will see eye-to-eye with a democratic, left-wing, atheist gay man just fine.... because they agree on most or all major fronts.

Now what are you saying past that? Are you saying they'll never see eye-to-eye on specifically trans/gay issues?
Given the context of the other examples you provided, your post seems to imply that all cisgender people disagree with transgender people on transgender issues, and all straight people will disagree with gay people on gay issues.

Quite frankly, that is complete hogwash.

Have you even seen how many times cisgender people and straight people on this forum have defended trans and gay issues? Have you seen how many have agreed with something I, a trans person, have said? Have you seen how often other trans people disagree with me? In fact, if cisgender and straight people all disagreed with trans/gay people on gay/trans issues, then we'd have no rights, as a massive minority. So....clearly there is a sizable portion who do see eye-to-eye with us.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Reality is plain to see if we want to see it.

Bob is straight, Bill is gay. Bob and Bill will never see eye to eye.

Bob owns guns. Bill thinks guns should be banned. Bob and Bill will never see eye to eye.

Bob is democrat. Bill is republican. Bob and Bill will never see eye to eye.

Bob is atheist. Bill is religious. Bob and Bill will never see eye to eye.

Bob isn't transgender. Bill is trandsgender. Bob and bill will never see eye to eye.

Etc. Etc.

Some will overlook, some semi-agree, some tolerate, some lie that its ok.

IMO people with big difference will never see eye to eye. It is what it is. Its life. Live it.

If everyone worried about living their own life instead of worrying about how others live thiers, life would be so much better.

But right now it is not just my life because I am answering you. The problem of reducing humans do to single individuals is that it is only a part of reality.

 

[Altfish]

If everyone worried about living their own life instead of worrying about how others live thiers, life would be so much better.

That is easy to say but a lot less easy in practice.
eg When the religious start bringing in laws you disagree with. You cannot ignore it.

 

[Secret Chief]

Bob is straight, Bill is gay. Bob and Bill will never see eye to eye.

On which topic or topics?

 

[PureX]

The problem is not that we are different. The problem is that we want to be in control. Bob wants to be in control, and Bill also wants to be in contro, and each fear the other being in control. Because they each have different ideas of what being in control looks like, and how it plays out.

So now what? How do they find a compromise? Especially when Bob will not accept any compromises. He wants total control and will not accept anything less. What does Bill do, then?

Being a member of a society is like being in a marriage. We have to learn to compromise, and to relinquish some control, to retain some control. And when one or the other partner refuses to work toward that compromise, the marriage contract is broken. Even if the other partner is still willing to work it out.

The republican party and their angry, resentful supporters are not willing to work toward compromise, anymore. They want total control, or they want to burn the house down. The social contract that used to hold the nation together is broken. And the result is going to be catastrophic. It already is catastrophic for millions of Americans. But these republicans just don't care. The house is on fire, and they just don't care. There is no fixing that.

 

[RestlessSoul]

On which topic or topics?

Soft furnishings

 

[Nakosis]

Reality is plain to see if we want to see it.

Bob is straight, Bill is gay. Bob and Bill will never see eye to eye.

Bob owns guns. Bill thinks guns should be banned. Bob and Bill will never see eye to eye.

Bob is democrat. Bill is republican. Bob and Bill will never see eye to eye.

Bob is atheist. Bill is religious. Bob and Bill will never see eye to eye.

Bob isn't transgender. Bill is trandsgender. Bob and bill will never see eye to eye.

Etc. Etc.

Some will overlook, some semi-agree, some tolerate, some lie that its ok.

IMO people with big difference will never see eye to eye. It is what it is. Its life. Live it.

If everyone worried about living their own life instead of worrying about how others live thiers, life would be so much better.

Yes but the issue is getting the state to benefit your personal needs.

 

[Secret Chief]

Soft furnishings

An absolute minefield.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The problem is not that we are different. The problem is that we want to be in control. Bob wants to be in control, and Bill also wants to be in contro, and each fear the other being in control. Because they each have different ideas of what being in control looks like, and how it plays out.

So now what? How do they find a compromise? Especially when Bob will not accept any compromises. He wants total control and will not accept anything less. What does Bill do, then?

Being a member of a society is like being in a marriage. We have to learn to compromise, and to relinquish some control, to retain some control. And when one or the other partner refuses to work toward that compromise, the marriage contract is broken. Even if the other partner is still willing to work it out.

The republican party and their angry, resentful supporters are not willing to work toward compromise, anymore. They want total control, or they want to burn the house down. The social contract that used to hold the nation together is broken. And the result is going to be catastrophic. It already is catastrophic for millions of Americans. But these republicans just don't care. The house is on fire, and they just don't care. There is no fixing that.

Why would they?

Democrats are busybodies drunk on control and power.

All their policies are now compulsory, they like to rule by mandate, and are a sanctimonious self superior minded toxic lot that goes by the adage , do as I say, not as I do.

I wouldn't cooperate with people like that either.

 

[PureX]

Why would they?

Because the house is on fire, and people are dying.

Democrats are busybodies drunk on control and power.

All their policies are now compulsory, they like to rule by mandate, and are a sanctimonious self superior minded toxic lot that goes by the adage , do as I say, not as I do.

I wouldn't cooperate with people like that either.

Like I said, these new republicans just don't care. A bunch of liars and criminals have stirred up their anger and resentment to the point that they're willing to burn their own house down, and die in the conflagration. It's insane, but there it is.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Because the house is on fire, and people are dying.
Like I said, these new republicans just don't care. A bunch of liars and criminals have stirred up their anger and resentment to the point that they're willing to burn their own house down, and die in the conflagration. It's insane, but there it is.

I think that's key.

There are both, new Republicans and Democrats that are nothing like their respective parties of the past.


Only recourse I see now is a third party that truly defines the center where compromise is easiest to obtain.

 

[PureX]

I think that's key.

There are both, new Republicans and Democrats that are nothing like their respective parties of the past.

Only recourse I see now is a third party that truly defines the center where compromise is easiest to obtain.

More parties will solve nothing and are irrelevant. The problem is not the parties, it's the people. The parties caused it, but that's irrelevant. What matters now is that the social contract has been broken. And a third of the nation's population, including you, doesn't care any more that the whole nation is being destroyed, and that millions of people are suffering. They want everything their way, without compromise or making accommodations of any kind. And to hell with anyone that objects. The social partnership has been broken. For any society to function everyone in it needs to trust everyone else enough to be willing to compromise. To be willing to let go of some control and to retain some control. To let the other guys be free so we can also be free. To be willing to look out for the other guy's well-being so they will be willing to look out for ours. Because none of us are living here alone. We all need to help each other to survive and thrive.

But that's gone, now. By your own post you have nothing but contempt for those who disagree with your ideals. And you have no willingness to find ways of sharing control with them. You want them eliminated from your culture and society. Now that you blame them for everything you think eliminating them will eliminate everything that you've blamed in them. Which is everything you don't like. So sure. Why not deny them citizenship. Why not deny them the vote. Why not let them die from drugs and poverty in the streets. And in their shacks in the country.

 

[Twilight Hue]

More parties will solve nothing and are irrelevant. The problem is not the parties, it's the people. The parties caused it, but that's irrelevant. What matters now is that the social contract has been broken. And a third of the nation's population, including you, doesn't care any more that the whole nation is being destroyed, and that millions of people are suffering. They want everything their way, without compromise or making accommodations of any kind. And to hell with anyone that objects. The social partnership has been broken. For any society to function everyone in it needs to trust everyone else enough to be willing to compromise. To be willing to let go of some control and to retain some control. To let the other guys be free so we can also be free. To be willing to look out for the other guy's well-being so they will be willing to look out for ours. Because none of us are living here alone. We all need to help each other to survive and thrive.

But that's gone, now. By your own post you have nothing but contempt for those who disagree with your ideals. And you have no willingness to find ways of sharing control with them. You want them eliminated from your culture and society. Now that you blame them for everything you think eliminating them will eliminate everything that you've blamed in them. Which is everything you don't like. So sure. Why not deny them citizenship. Why not deny them the vote. Why not let them die from drugs and poverty in the streets. And in their shacks in the country.

I disagree. All Democrats have to do is stop their compulsory mindset and mandate happy policymaking and return to an elective style of governance.

Same goes for Republicans in the same vein like R vs W.

If we go back up on the freedom index, I'll be a happy camper.

 

[PureX]

I disagree. All Democrats have to do is stop their compulsory mindset and mandate happy policymaking and return to an elective style of governance.

Please describe this compulsory mindset and how it is so brutally oppressing you.

 

[Windwalker]

I disagree. All Democrats have to do is stop their compulsory mindset and mandate happy policymaking and return to an elective style of governance.

Same goes for Republicans in the same vein like R vs W.

If we go back up on the freedom index, I'll be a happy camper.

What compulsory mindset? You mean mandating equal rights? I once had a conservative friend of mine refer to abortion rights as "ramming it down people's throats". WTF? Did he imagine mandatory abortions or something like that?

What are you imagining as "compulsory"? What do you imagine is being rammed down people's throats? Letting gays have the right to marry? Do you view that as forcing you to marry a gay person? Do you view that as unfair to you in some way to allow that in the society you live in? Is that what he meant? It's not fair those who are different from me get to have their way in my world?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Please describe this compulsory mindset and how it is so brutally oppressing you.

It's the taking away of quality of life.

What compulsory mindset? You mean mandating equal rights? I once had a conservative friend of mine refer to abortion rights as "ramming it down people's throats". WTF? Did he imagine mandatory abortions or something like that?

What are you imagining as "compulsory"? What do you imagine is being rammed down people's throats? Letting gays have the right to marry? Do you view that as forcing you to marry a gay person? Do you view that as unfair to you in some way to allow that in the society you live in? Is that what he meant? It's not fair those who are different from me get to have their way in my world?

This dated yet revelant opinion piece is an excellent synopsis of what I'm referring to. It's absolutely no imagination whatsoever considering the massive fall of freedoms in the index. Mostly via the nanny state and attacks made on the Constitution and bill of rights.

This has to stop.



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