Let's get some real perspective on things

[johnsweeting]

I found it amusing how religions people think that everything in this universe revolves around us here on planet earth.
According to studies there are at least 170 billion galaxies out there and there might be even more. Listen to it...170 billion galaxies.
In just one of these 170 billion galaxies namely the Andromeda galaxy there are 1 trillion stars and at least as many planets. Once again there are one thousand billion stars and at least one thousand billion planets (probably much more) in just one galaxy.

If the Andromeda galaxy has an average number of stars we get:
170,000,000,000 * 1,000,000,000,000 = 17,000,0000,000,000,000,000,000 stars and at least as many planets in our "known" universe. This number is so big and therefore I don't even know how to put it in words.

The Andromeda, which is one of the closest galaxy, is 2,5 million light years away from us. It will be impossible to find out if there are any life there because we can never travel at the speed of light and less do it for 2,5 million years. I mean if you left on a ship it would take 31,250 generation to get there. (2,500,000 /80 years) and that is if we can travel at the speed of light which we are way off from doing.

Can anyone with a straight face think that we are alone in the universe.
Even within our own galaxy (The Milky way) it will take around 200,000 light years to get to the closest planet that might have some life form. This means around 2,500 generations and remember that we can't even travel close to the speed of light.

For every human on earth (7 billion) there are about 25,000 planets and 25,000 stars......

I am a non-believer but what does the different religions say about life in the universe? Is it even mentioned somewhere? At the time the bible was written for example, people though that the earth was the center of the universe and the sun was going around the earth.

What does the different religions say about life in the universe? Do they mention anything about the at least 17,000,0000,000,000,000,000,000 planets and the at least 17,000,0000,000,000,000,000,000 stars?

 

[horizon]

I found it amusing how religions people think that everything in this universe revolves around us here on planet earth.

Practically speaking, we do this because it does. As you’ve outlined in your post the odds of interacting with intelligent life from other planets in our lifetime is basically zero. So we do need to live our lives with our planet as the focal point. Even if there was some way to reach different stars as a species we are in no way ready for that kind of endeavor.

From a religious perspective my spirituality would not be threatened by life elsewhere in the universe. I do believe there is intelligent life elsewhere I doubt seriously given the distance to travel and the lifetime of a species that we would ever meet. Certainly at the rate our species is going we will either destroy the planet or ourselves before we ever get the chance to really explore the universe much less more of our own galaxy.

 

[Sunstone]

What does the different religions say about life in the universe? Do they mention anything about the at least 17,000,0000,000,000,000,000,000 planets and the at least 17,000,0000,000,000,000,000,000 stars?

That would irrelevant to many religions -- such as to Buddhism, Confucianism, and Taoism. And I suppose Hinduism might find it an underestimate.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

RE: life in the universe

According to Scripture, the angelic realm was created first.
Then, God expanded the creation business to include a material / physical realm [us]

If there already was intelligent faithful life elsewhere there would be No need to settle the 'sin issue' here that first started in Eden. God could point to elsewhere where there was a 'faithful Adam'.
So, for the time being there is No physical intelligent life on other planets.
During Jesus 1000-year reign over earth the 'sin issue' will be settled, and then we will know more of God's purpose for the universe. Never again then would any wicked creation exist anywhere because God could point to the faithful ones of earth as his reply to any and all wicked ones.

 

[tempter]

Practically speaking, we do this because it does. As you’ve outlined in your post the odds of interacting with intelligent life from other planets in our lifetime is basically zero. So we do need to live our lives with our planet as the focal point. Even if there was some way to reach different stars as a species we are in no way ready for that kind of endeavor.

The odds of a deity as described in the bible are even less than than basically zero, yet many, many (too many IMO) live as if there is a deity. Sounds silly really.

From a religious perspective my spirituality would not be threatened by life elsewhere in the universe. I do believe there is intelligent life elsewhere I doubt seriously given the distance to travel and the lifetime of a species that we would ever meet. Certainly at the rate our species is going we will either destroy the planet or ourselves before we ever get the chance to really explore the universe much less more of our own galaxy.

Unless, of course, the christian deity (all deities) are nothing more than EBEs that have influenced earth.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

From a religious perspective my spirituality would not be threatened by life elsewhere in the universe. I do believe there is intelligent life elsewhere I doubt seriously given the distance to travel and the lifetime of a species that we would ever meet. Certainly at the rate our species is going we will either destroy the planet or ourselves before we ever get the chance to really explore the universe much less more of our own galaxy.

If I may add 'the rate our species is going we will either destroy the planet or ourselves...' destroy only if God would not step in. According to Revelation [ 11 v 18 B] God will step in and bring to ruin those ruining the earth. Ruin either literally or morally.

Since Scriptures promises the 'earth abides forever' then No destruction for our planet.
- Ecc. 1 v 4 B; Psalms 78 v 69 B; 93 v 1 B; 96 v 10; 104 v 5; 1st Chron. 16 v 30

By the end of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth, everyone living on earth at that time will have gained 'everlasting life on earth'. With 'No more death' in view [ Rev. 21 vs 4,5 ] that means mankind will have 'everlasting time' to do things.

 

[horizon]

If I may add 'the rate our species is going we will either destroy the planet or ourselves...' destroy only if God would not step in. According to Revelation [ 11 v 18 B] God will step in and bring to ruin those ruining the earth. Ruin either literally or morally.

If that is true, then I imagine it would have to be a majority of the religious people on the earth who would be removed.

Since Scriptures promises the 'earth abides forever' then No destruction for our planet.
- Ecc. 1 v 4 B; Psalms 78 v 69 B; 93 v 1 B; 96 v 10; 104 v 5; 1st Chron. 16 v 30

Our planet will be destroyed one day, whether by our own hand or by the sun.

By the end of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth, everyone living on earth at that time will have gained 'everlasting life on earth'. With 'No more death' in view [ Rev. 21 vs 4,5 ] that means mankind will have 'everlasting time' to do things.

We will not have an everlasting time to fix our planet from the destruction our species has done, we probably have a couple hundred years left at the rate we are going.

 

[PolyHedral]

Since Scriptures promises the 'earth abides forever' then No destruction for our planet.
- Ecc. 1 v 4 B; Psalms 78 v 69 B; 93 v 1 B; 96 v 10; 104 v 5; 1st Chron. 16 v 30

So God will artificially sustain the Sun? And also reverse thermodynamics?

 

[Quintessence]

I found it amusing how religions people think that everything in this universe revolves around us here on planet earth.

No, we don't. We "religious people" are a diverse lot with a wide range of thoughts on various aspects of reality. More importantly, humans in general are painfully anthropocentric, regardless of religion or lack thereof. Humans focus on what is pertinent to them. What's going on in a distant galaxy is pretty much irrelevant to our existence. Why should we focus on it? Nobody does, aside from the academics and astrologers.

 

[Man of Faith]

I only have one question, where is everybody?

 

[Levite]

I found it amusing how religions people think that everything in this universe revolves around us here on planet earth.
According to studies there are at least 170 billion galaxies out there and there might be even more. Listen to it...170 billion galaxies.
In just one of these 170 billion galaxies namely the Andromeda galaxy there are 1 trillion stars and at least as many planets. Once again there are one thousand billion stars and at least one thousand billion planets (probably much more) in just one galaxy.

If the Andromeda galaxy has an average number of stars we get:
170,000,000,000 * 1,000,000,000,000 = 17,000,0000,000,000,000,000,000 stars and at least as many planets in our "known" universe. This number is so big and therefore I don't even know how to put it in words.

The Andromeda, which is one of the closest galaxy, is 2,5 million light years away from us. It will be impossible to find out if there are any life there because we can never travel at the speed of light and less do it for 2,5 million years. I mean if you left on a ship it would take 31,250 generation to get there. (2,500,000 /80 years) and that is if we can travel at the speed of light which we are way off from doing.

Can anyone with a straight face think that we are alone in the universe.
Even within our own galaxy (The Milky way) it will take around 200,000 light years to get to the closest planet that might have some life form. This means around 2,500 generations and remember that we can't even travel close to the speed of light.

For every human on earth (7 billion) there are about 25,000 planets and 25,000 stars......

I am a non-believer but what does the different religions say about life in the universe? Is it even mentioned somewhere? At the time the bible was written for example, people though that the earth was the center of the universe and the sun was going around the earth.

What does the different religions say about life in the universe? Do they mention anything about the at least 17,000,0000,000,000,000,000,000 planets and the at least 17,000,0000,000,000,000,000,000 stars?

I don't know that traditional Jewish sources address this directly, since the idea was unknown before a short time ago.

But we are not exclusivists: we already think that God has other relationships with other peoples here on earth, and wants different things from them than from us, and speaks to them in their own ways, just as He speaks to us in ours. We don't believe that the revelation of Sinai was for anyone but us, and we don't believe that ours was the only revelation.

So why should it be different in a larger universe? Presumably there are many peoples on many worlds who have encountered God and relate to Him, all in their own ways, according to their own capabilities and fashions. Presumably He has relationships with them, and they have their own traditions about what He wants from them, and good for them.

There is no reason why that should not be the case: it stands much more to reason that revelation would be common in the universe than that our particular little planet ought to be of such vast significance to the Creator that He only makes Himself known here. God's works are vast beyond measure: no reason that His words ought not to also be vast beyond measure.

 

[Watchmen]

I found it amusing how religions people think that everything in this universe revolves around us here on planet earth.
According to studies there are at least 170 billion galaxies out there and there might be even more. Listen to it...170 billion galaxies.
In just one of these 170 billion galaxies namely the Andromeda galaxy there are 1 trillion stars and at least as many planets. Once again there are one thousand billion stars and at least one thousand billion planets (probably much more) in just one galaxy.

If the Andromeda galaxy has an average number of stars we get:
170,000,000,000 * 1,000,000,000,000 = 17,000,0000,000,000,000,000,000 stars and at least as many planets in our "known" universe. This number is so big and therefore I don't even know how to put it in words.

The Andromeda, which is one of the closest galaxy, is 2,5 million light years away from us. It will be impossible to find out if there are any life there because we can never travel at the speed of light and less do it for 2,5 million years. I mean if you left on a ship it would take 31,250 generation to get there. (2,500,000 /80 years) and that is if we can travel at the speed of light which we are way off from doing.

Can anyone with a straight face think that we are alone in the universe.
Even within our own galaxy (The Milky way) it will take around 200,000 light years to get to the closest planet that might have some life form. This means around 2,500 generations and remember that we can't even travel close to the speed of light.

For every human on earth (7 billion) there are about 25,000 planets and 25,000 stars......

I am a non-believer but what does the different religions say about life in the universe? Is it even mentioned somewhere? At the time the bible was written for example, people though that the earth was the center of the universe and the sun was going around the earth.

What does the different religions say about life in the universe? Do they mention anything about the at least 17,000,0000,000,000,000,000,000 planets and the at least 17,000,0000,000,000,000,000,000 stars?

I find it amusing when people stereotype "the religious."

From an LDS perspective, we are all God's creation - whatever other life might be out there.

 

[ChristineES]

I found it amusing how religions people think that everything in this universe revolves around us here on planet earth.

I suppose I find it amusing that some non-religious people think that religious people believe this. :foot:

 

[Thief]

As interaction is not likely....brief and far between at best.....

We are for all practical discussion...isloated.
The universe revovles around us.

As pointed out, hundreds of thousands of years pass by before light can travel the distance.
Anything slower would take so much longer.

Mankind will run its course start to finish, and the time we have gives focus unto our selves.....

Or God.

 

[The Wizard]

I suppose I find it amusing that some non-religious people think that religious people believe this. :foot:

Another amusing one is : Everything we will ever know and experience about the Universe revolves around us. So, in a certan way, yes, the Universe revolves around US! If we weren't so smart the universe wouldn't even exist to us.... we wouldn't even know it was there..

 

[Quintessence]

Another amusing one is : Everything we will ever know and experience about the Universe revolves around us. So, in a certan way, yes, the Universe revolves around US! If we weren't so smart the universe wouldn't even exist to us.... we wouldn't even know it was there..

True in a fashion, but I would be cautious about equivocating inevitable quirks of perceptive bias (aka, the universe "revolves" around the perceiving organism at all times) with objective reality (aka, thinking the universe literally revolves around the perceiving organism).

 

[ChristineES]

Another amusing one is : Everything we will ever know and experience about the Universe revolves around us. So, in a certan way, yes, the Universe revolves around US! If we weren't so smart the universe wouldn't even exist to us.... we wouldn't even know it was there..

Yes, that is true- in a way. Tonight, while I was walking outside I looked up at the stars and wondered how many planets are going around all those stars- and I wondered if there was any life on some of them. In my lifetime, we will never know (most likely). I won't assume one way or the other about it.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Another amusing one is : Everything we will ever know and experience about the Universe revolves around us. So, in a certan way, yes, the Universe revolves around US! If we weren't so smart the universe wouldn't even exist to us.... we wouldn't even know it was there..

Only 7 billion + universes would disappear - none based off of the objective universe.

 

[The Wizard]

Yes, that is true- in a way. Tonight, while I was walking outside I looked up at the stars and wondered how many planets are going around all those stars- and I wondered if there was any life on some of them. In my lifetime, we will never know (most likely). I won't assume one way or the other about it.

True guys, I understand. I would be more excited to see space colonization starting than to find a raddish on Neptune...But, thats just me...

Well, both would be great... What is more important? Great, nevermind, Im going to have to think about my own stupid question on what would be more important...

 

[Twilight Hue]

I agree with Horizon and others. The distance is so vast it's virtually impossible to detect any kind of life at this point of development. . The technology just is not there considering the local in the universe. The closest earthlike planet is something like 25 lightyears away. Thats a looong way away. At least the search for sapient life.