Let's have some fun

[Bishadi]

Truly a silly question not relevant to my point!

Bruce you made this comment

Originally Posted by BruceDLimber
Not an issue.

666 was a date, specifically the year 661 CE, 666 years after the birth of Christ.

And the corruption that it brought is long past.

Peace,

Bruce

in that you said........... And the corruption that it brought is long past.

and i asked you

Originally Posted by Bishadi
simple question: do you live on earth?

are you not aware of how much corruption and world trumoil that is occuring 'right now' on this earth?

i mean, really........... do you not feel the compassion for others and know there is much to do for the less fortunate on this earth........ right now?

do you actually think the current conditions is all there is for the collective of mankind?

 

[Bishadi]

Not to break up the party, but isn't the whole 666 number theory debunked? It was the result of a translational error and the correct number is 616.



666 wrong number of prophetic beast?

does that mean i am saved?

so now i can live a normal life and like charles manson just say......... 'i'm saved' .......... and i will be able to hang out with everyone like an equal?

i guess i can see the attraction to just accepting, rather than being responsibe.

 

[Falvlun]

does that mean i am saved?

I guess that depends on whether you believe you were doomed because of your birthday.

so now i can live a normal life and like charles manson just say......... 'i'm saved' .......... and i will be able to hang out with everyone like an equal?

I don't see why this was not possible before. It's not like we have our birthdates tatooed on our forehead...

i guess i can see the attraction to just accepting, rather than being responsibe.

Rather than being responsible for what, exactly?

 

[Bishadi]

I guess that depends on whether you believe you were doomed because of your birthday.

be glad it was me, rather than you but then again, I will live forever.

How about you?

Luke 12:
54And he said also to the multitudes, `When ye may see the cloud rising from the west, immediately ye say, A shower doth come, and it is so;
55and when -- a south wind blowing, ye say, that there will be heat, and it is;

56hypocrites! the face of the earth and of the heaven ye have known to make proof of, but this time -- how do ye not make proof of [it]?
57`And why, also, of yourselves, judge ye not what is righteous?
58for, as thou art going away with thy opponent to the ruler, in the way give diligence to be released from him, lest he may drag thee unto the judge, and the judge may deliver thee to the officer, and the officer may cast thee into prison; 59I say to thee, thou mayest not come forth thence till even the last mite thou mayest give back.'

when you see the clouds of fire (nuclear firecracker).... then know ... 59I say to thee, thou mayest not come forth thence till even the last mite thou mayest give back.' ....

I don't see why this was not possible before. It's not like we have our birthdates tatooed on our forehead...

seems the old folk tried to fullfill the prophecies and even thought that Jesus was the 'numbered' one (see below or even Acts 1:17)

Mark 15 24And having crucified him, they were dividing his garments, casting a lot upon them, what each may take;

25and it was the third hour, and they crucified him;
26and the inscription of his accusation was written above -- `The King of the Jews.'
27And with him they crucify two robbers, one on the right hand, and one on his left, 28and the Writing was fulfilled that is saying, `And with lawless ones he was numbered.'

but you know better than that, as it wasn't the right time :faint:

Rather than being responsible for what, exactly?

Every action (choice) you make.

 

[BruceDLimber]

B>And the corruption that it brought is long past.

Are you not aware of how much corruption and world trumoil that is occuring 'right now' on this earth?

Of course, but IMHO this has nothing to do with the prophecy in question!

As I already said, the 666 mentioned is a date, specifically, 661 CE, 666 years after the birth of Christ.

And the prophecies about this refer to specific events (which I would have explained had you bothered to ask me)!

Anyway, IOV 661 CE was the appearance of the first beast, aka the Umayyad Dynasty, which was guilty of corrupting Islam. (And the second beast was the later Abbadid Dynasty which continued the process.)

These are thus historic events from well over a millenium ago. And there are online books I can cite for you if you'd like to see more about all this.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Bishadi]

Of course, but IMHO this has nothing to do with the prophecy in question!

as you offered your opinion..... yet perhaps forget to include the bigger scope

As I already said, the 666 mentioned is a date, specifically, 661 CE, 666 years after the birth of Christ.

can you share what Quranic doctrine shares that as a date?

And the prophecies about this refer to specific events (which I would have explained had you bothered to ask me)!

you are right, i should have.

So now i am

Anyway, IOV 661 CE was the appearance of the first beast, aka the Umayyad Dynasty, which was guilty of corrupting Islam. (And the second beast was the later Abbadid Dynasty which continued the process.)

what about nero?

it seems each sect has an opinion, but to me.... the correct rendition will combine them all.

These are thus historic events from well over a millenium ago. And there are online books I can cite for you if you'd like to see more about all this.

Peace,

Bruce

i am aware of many interpretations. And to walk down one street in most any town of american, each person will have a different one (opinion/interpretation).

reality is; many many many different people within many different cultures and periods of time had 'experienced" (visions) of the same event, (and that person) and described what was to occur.

Not that they all are expressed with the same words and descriptions but the visions (prophetic experiences) did occur, can occur and can be scientifically defined and proven, representing as how they 'do' occur

so it isn't that the 'muslim' perspective is exact, with evidence, but that their are opinions which can be matched with the accounts.

reality is; the many many many different renditions are describing a single truth and the revealing allows each to comprehend this.

That 'time' is NOW and like the folks of judaism often suggest; if ALL of the prophecies do not meet and the 'truth'.. the understanding, the gift of life and the eventual world peace...... does not all come together, then it is (was) the wrong guy.

So it doesn't take a rockey scientist to comprehend, them old prophecies have NEVER been perfected by any man ever to walk this earth.

so keep an eye opened................. because to fail at being just that honest.... will be like :foot:

 

[Bishadi]

can you share what Quranic doctrine shares that as a date?

inquiring minds :drool:

 

[Bishadi]

inquiring minds :drool:

for the fun thread too

what,
makes you think, are you really alive at all.


I am therefore I exist.

We can give an opinion of ‘I’, then we are ‘experiencing’ life.

What makes something alive.

Energy upon mass (light). The same progression is observed in living and non-living matter.

I mean we are all matter right, how do thoughts exsist within matter, are your thoughts also matter?

No, energy (light) upon matter. IN mind, knowledge is understood by entangling the memories. When shades combine new colors are created (ideas).

Words are creations of ‘identies’ allow concepts to be categories. These can transcend time just by learning the words, which are learned, as then knowledge evolves by newly coined words.

I don't think there's that clear-cut a distinction between life and non-life. For example, take viruses: are they alive? By some definitions, yes, but by others no.

that is why the list, defining life, is less that perfect. They are the accepted frame within todays community of the sciences

Tap a pond, that wave is moving in time. That is 'a' life itself; energy continuing in time.

That is why evolution continues. Even after the great extinctions, it continued. Life will change by its environment. Even people are different in thoughts by ‘their environment.’

But then there is not really life and non-life at all.

in a sense, that is a reality that any could believe, but then again to simply observe, then we can all find everything is a part of everything else and in a constant motion of change.

What are things that make something classified as alive anyway? Is there some sort of official list?

and the accepted list, is limited because to observe even a reproduction, is pure evidence that is could never comply with the sciences as governed by thermodynamic.

Sure they can make the math usable, but any of honesty and depth can find the reductionary frame of chemistry created by QM, is inconsistent with living processes (see citrus cycle).

That is why to change how energy is observed to ‘light upon mass’… then an understanding to ‘what life is’ and how it can live forever by choice can be understood by living things within existence. (we the people)

The reality is, that a 'paradigm shift' to understanding will change how mankind currently observes nature (the prophecy of the ‘reversal of nature&#8217 this is founded in understanding how light is the life of mass.

It can, I'm not talking about all that. All I'm saying is there is a limited number of options.

a) Life is eternal.

we can by choice give our of energy to assist ‘life to continue’

with that we can live forever in ‘what we do’

b) Life came from non-living matter.

there is nothing in existence that is not following the true rules of nature ‘except man’.

We are the only thing in existence that can do ‘bad’…………… (become a “loss to the common’…by choice)

We each can think we are separate as an ‘I’ from nature……….. the garden

 

[BruceDLimber]

can you share what Quranic doctrine shares that as a date?

The prophecy has nothing whatever to do with Qur'anic doctrine.

What about nero?

Irrelevant: IOV he had nothing whatever to do with this.

And BTW, this also has nothing to do with Muslm doctrine; I gave you Baha'i teachings on the subject. This is one of many interlocking, fulfilled prophecies! You can see this in detail at: Click on one of the following to navigate further down this page Religious Unity

Peace,

Bruce

 

[RemnanteK]

And the mark of the beast will be on their heads and hands...What they think and what they do.

 

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings!

And the mark of the beast will be on their heads and hands...What they think and what they do.

IOV these in fact refer to a "head tax" (per capita) and a tax on labor.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[RemnanteK]

Greetings!



IOV these in fact refer to a "head tax" (per capita) and a tax on labor.

Peace,

Bruce

Very interesting, a tax on our mind and body...
Why does it always have to be about money? lol

 

[Bishadi]

Very interesting, a tax on our mind and body...
Why does it always have to be about money? lol

because money (mammon) is focal choice of many as their primary pursuits

hence how the beast is the 'collective' rather than an individual..... bound with social security numbers for all..... earnings, buying, and clearly to be a part of......the beast!

 

[Bishadi]

The prophecy has nothing whatever to do with Qur'anic doctrine.

so then your comment

If you'd like citations for several online books you can check, I'll be most happy to provide them!


As I already said, the 666 mentioned is a date, specifically, 661 CE, 666 years after the birth of Christ.

And the prophecies about this refer to specific events (which I would have explained had you bothered to ask me)!

Anyway, IOV 661 CE was the appearance of the first beast, aka the Umayyad Dynasty, which was guilty of corrupting Islam. (And the second beast was the later Abbadid Dynasty which continued the process.)

These are thus historic events from well over a millenium ago. And there are online books I can cite for you if you'd like to see more about all this

so the comment about islamic doctrine is basically your opinion?

Irrelevant: IOV he had nothing whatever to do with this.

And BTW, this also has nothing to do with Muslm doctrine; I gave you Baha'i teachings on the subject.

so now Islamic doctrine being 'corrupted' is being presented by another religious belief?

This is one of many interlocking, fulfilled prophecies! You can see this in detail at: Click on one of the following to navigate further down this page Religious Unity

Peace,

Bruce

read most of them and i will say, not only are they different than other bahai believers, but also it seems you need some assistence on bahai itself.

Bahaulla was not the messiah. The Bab did not tell bahaulla he was the messiah.

Bahaulla tried to fill the shoes of who the Bab was talking about.

Even the name bahai is wrong, as it was the word that the Bab told Bahaulla was the messiah himself. Say the i as an 'e'... and put the syllables like in bahaulla....

The prophecies you posted are so wrong i cannot even believe you had the gal to represent them.

perhaps on the navajo and hopi items, i should email the chief of the bear clan (you can dig up who on your own time)........ i will let him know what your link represents.

if you like, we can play bahai on your own thread

this thread is about the reality, not the false messiah as bahaulla claimed to be. He claimed to be the bringer of light (even before einstein knew what light was). Bahaulla was not even alive during the scientific achievements of this century, so he couldn't answer the questions of life, even if he wanted too.

don't care how nice bahai people are, bahaulla was a rude man and corrupted the teachings of others to create a religion. AM i am being clear?

You need to read a wee bit about babism and the Bab before ever considering bahai.

Bahaulla was a liar and was not, nor even close to being true and pure to mankind; he just assumed a chair he could never fill. That man was the worst kind of teacher as he only performed what HIS teacher said about the coming.

He cared not for the truth, just as your posts shares the same. The corruption of the prophecies are rude to say the least and you so willfully presented in witness but failed to actually check.

You are being judged as you sit by someone who is perhaps a little more educated about the teaching of even you own faith. Don't care about what you believe, i am talking about what is written, i am talking about truth!

 

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings.

so then your comment so the comment about islamic doctrine is basically your opinion?

No; I'm stating Baha'i teachings.

so now Islamic doctrine being 'corrupted' is being presented by another religious belief?

Last I heard, ALL religions--and their followers--were welcome to state their opinons and beliefs here!

And no matter who's "presenting" it, the topic can still be addressed, please note.

read most of them and i will say, not only are they different than other bahai believers, but also it seems you need some assistence on bahai itself.

Quite possibly!

After all, I've only been a Baha'i for 37 1/2 years, give or take a week, and even though I've edited and indexed various Baha'i books and have been engaged in formal proofreading and revising of online Baha'i books for several years now, it's entirely possible I have no idea what I'm talking about! So any assistance will be most welcome.

Bahaulla was not the messiah.

In your not-so-humble opinion. A few million people happen to disagree with you.

The Bab did not tell bahaulla he was the messiah.

So happy to hear you're an expert on all this!

Perhaps you'd care to tell me what exactly He did say?

Bahaulla tried to fill the shoes of who the Bab was talking about.

And in the opinion of seven million or more people, succeeded admirably at it!

Even the name bahai is wrong, as it was the word that the Bab told Bahaulla was the messiah himself. Say the i as an 'e'... and put the syllables like in bahaulla.

No, the orignal word the Bab used was indeed "Baha," as various tablets of His attest! And indeed, the Bab Himself gave the title "Baha'u'llah" to Him!

The prophecies you posted are so wrong i cannot even believe you had the gal to represent them.

So sorry, but I posted none!

And I need neither gal nor gall to mention them. The more so given that your put-down is mere assertion without evidence!

if you like, we can play bahai on your own thread

I'm always more than happy to participate, thank you.

this thread is about the reality, not the false messiah as bahaulla claimed to be. He claimed to be the bringer of light (even before einstein knew what light was). Bahaulla was not even alive during the scientific achievements of this century, so he couldn't answer the questions of life, even if he wanted too.

Again, only in your opinion! He prophesied a number of them, nor do we see any indication that He was "false." As to His answering the questions of life, the 200 volumes of Baha'i scripture (100 by Baha'u'llah Himself) make this quite clear to anyone who cares to read them, thank you!

don't care how nice bahai people are, bahaulla was a rude man and corrupted the teachings of others to create a religion. AM i am being clear?

More like offensive. And so sorry, but you're spouting nonsense: everyone who ever met Baha'u'llah--Baha'i or otherwise!--was positively impressed by His character! Nor did He "corrupt" any teachings; He simply revealed His own teachings.

You need to read a wee bit about babism and the Bab before ever considering bahai.

Care to guess what I've been reading for the past 39 years?

I will omit the rest of your diatribe as it's demonstrably baseless.

You are being judged as you sit by someone who is perhaps a little more educated about the teaching of even you own faith.

Yeah, right!

Doubtless, for anyone who believes that, you have a bridge for sale! :-S

I'll leave it to the discretion of third parties which of us is less biased and which of us is less knowledgeable. I'm not impressed by ad hominem attacks.

Bruce

 

[Bishadi]

Greetings.

No; I'm stating Baha'i teachings.

After all, I've only been a Baha'i for 37 1/2 years, give or take a week, and even though I've edited and indexed various Baha'i books and have been engaged in formal proofreading and revising of online Baha'i books for several years now, it's entirely possible I have no idea what I'm talking about! So any assistance will be most welcome.

apparently you had not comprehended much in all that 37 ½ years.

To represent material for someone to read, without doing the homework to make sure they are good (since you do "edited and indexed various bahai books") you would think in areas of such importance you would check the material before offering it..............

NOW any can see your ‘character’ loud and clear.

In your not-so-humble opinion. A few million people happen to disagree with you.

and i say clearly, there are about 1000 times that who would tell you Bahaulla was NOT the messiah..(if they even know what a baha u lla is)...

suggesting, 'a few million' is what to use to substantiate the 'truth' is moot.

So happy to hear you're an expert on all this!

Perhaps you'd care to tell me what exactly He did say?

nope!

because if you have read the material for 39 years and still don’t hold honesty as pure, then why?

And in the opinion of seven million or more people, succeeded admirably at it!

and there are that many in one city of china that would laugh at you, not to mention the other 99% on the globe

No, the orignal word the Bab used was indeed "Baha," as various tablets of His attest! And indeed, the Bab Himself gave the title "Baha'u'llah" to Him!

that is like saying 'the bible is the word of God' per the bible.

The Bab was dead years before bahaulla stepped into the position of being messiah.

So sorry, but I posted none!

you provided the link to the prophecies, then herein brag about how much you have read of bahai and even claimed you ‘edited’ but yet you now state you provided 'none'...............

sounds like you jumped off the 'being responsible for your actions' wagon (you fit the mold of a preacher)

And I need neither gal nor gall to mention them. The more so given that your put-down is mere assertion without evidence!

i have sat with the Hopi elders, medicine man, war chief (fire and bear clan)........ i have no need to fib, but the prophecies your link (you provided) are a joke.

Ask martin (fire clan medicine man) why HE told me ‘War’?

Ask them who came under the Blue light (star).

Ask them who carries the missing piece of the puzzle.

Ask them if bahaulla was the ‘great white brother’? (pahana) (the indigenous folk are honest beyond your wildest dreams, they will tell you the truth directly)

Again, only in your opinion! He prophesied a number of them, nor do we see any indication that He was "false."

your post into this thread mentions that all the prophecies are fulfilled..............

so if that is what your belief teaches you, then you are representing just how FALSE your preachings and teachings are.

And so sorry, but you're spouting nonsense: everyone who ever met Baha'u'llah--Baha'i or otherwise!--was positively impressed by His character!

He's dead............. and HE did NOT leave the children with the understanding of LIFE, the truth equal to all mankind nor world Peace.

And since he is gone, please do not say HE IS COMING BACK to finish the job.

Nor did He "corrupt" any teachings; He simply revealed His own teachings.

Care to guess what I've been reading for the past 39 years?

nope as it seems if you have read for that long and are still not honest with what you have read, then why?

You claim 'belief' that bahaulla is messiah, and that all is fullfilled and this is all that is left for mankind: then it must be the funny pages you read because the rendition and beliefs you are performing are just hilarious.

I'll leave it to the discretion of third parties which of us is less biased and which of us is less knowledgeable. I'm not impressed by ad hominem attacks.

Bruce

not concerned with impressing you, i observe where honesty and integrity live........... and you are not where it is at.

so far you ain't providing any evidence that you even know these forms of compassion and care for others. You preaching 'beliefs' rather than truths. (breaks the rules from all the prophets and the Bab himself)

The reason i even asked if you were on 'planet earth' was because you suggested the prophecies are fulfilled.

You should have just posted the truth naturally in the first place:


it's entirely possible I have no idea what I'm talking about!

as then, at least your credibility would not be in the dirt

 

[BruceDLimber]

your post into this thread mentions that all the prophecies are fulfilled.

Wrong.

The prophecies of the Second Coming are fulfilled, although as usual not in a literal fashion (just as was true about the First Coming).

But I never said all Baha'u'llah's prophecies have been fulfilled already because not all have been, although at least several dozen are already proven true!

As to the rest of your put-downs, I'll ignore them and let others investigate if they choose and judge for themselves who speaks the truth.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Bishadi]

Wrong.

The prophecies of the Second Coming are fulfilled, although as usual not in a literal fashion (just as was true about the First Coming).

What "first" coming?

As well, what's a "second" coming in Hinduism, compared to Judaism and Muslims.

Looking for the combining doctrine. Just post numbers, i will do the homework if you find them. (please not more created items)

Nothing was fullfilled of the "bringer of Peace", the morning star, the kalki

and most important is the man is supposed to be alive DURING all the fun stuff

But I never said all Baha'u'llah's prophecies have been fulfilled already because not all have been, although at least several dozen are already proven true!

Seems the most important prophecies are what matter.

World Peace,

Understanding Life,

or even perhaps......... the 'raising of the fathers to flesh'

In reality, the top 2 items are actually the only ones that i would really really like to experience.

As anyone of us wouldn't mind if the global judgement didn't happen as most all the religions prophecized/written accounts.

....... and let others investigate if they choose and judge for themselves who speaks the truth.

(kind of liked that line, thanks :beach

 

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings!

What "first" coming?

The Advent of Jesus, just as IOV the Second Coming refers to the Advent of the Baha'i Era.

BTW, there are a number of other "comings" and "returns" in the various religions, Hinduism and Buddhism included. Baha'u'llah, the Founder of the Baha'i Faith, also qualifies as the Fifth Buddha in that tradition, for example.

Again, this web site explains a number of them: www.bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled

Regards,

Bruce

 

[Bishadi]

Greetings!



The Advent of Jesus,

do you mean the invent by nicea?

just as IOV the Second Coming refers to the Advent of the Baha'i Era.

do you mean the invent by bahaulla

BTW, there are a number of other "comings" and "returns" in the various religions, Hinduism and Buddhism included.

so the idea of inventing is a pretty standard issue in theology

Baha'u'llah, the Founder of the Baha'i Faith, also qualifies as the Fifth Buddha in that tradition,

To the creators and followers of the religion. But Judaism doesn't even recognize your first one, let alone the utter one; nor does the christian, the hindu, the muslims, llamas or any of the indigenous............

but you do!

for example.

Again, this web site explains a number of them: www.bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled

i thought we covered this section about how a religion cannot define itself as well the prophecies you are proposing are being adjusted by the religion to fit what they want to believe

rather than the prophecies actually being addressed.

eg............. where's the World Peace, when your prophet is already dead. (proof positive, he was not the right one)

Bahaulla was not messiah and that ONE prophecy having not been fulfilled is really the only FACT that needs to be observed.... as the whole of all the prophecies point to that absolution.

eg.....moshiah brings the absolute truth

bahaulla and you, think he was messiah but he is dead and will stay dead while the future unfolds what is true

....... and let others investigate if they choose and judge for themselves who speaks the truth.