Let's not talk about the Big Bang

[YoursTrue]

Dr. Francesca Stavrakopoulou, Professor of Hebrew Bible and Ancient Religion at the University of Exeter,

Francesca Stavrakopoulou PhD

9:00
The idea that the Israelite religion was extraordinary and different from religions of surrounding religions and cultures and this deity is somehow different and extraordinary and so this deity is wholly unlike all other deities in Southeast Asia. Historically this is not the case. Nothing unusual or extraordinary about Yahweh.
9:44 - Biblical ideas are based on ideas that Yahweh was unique. Nothing unique, find examples in much earlier religions, Yahweh is a local iteration of common deities



Francesca Stavrakopoulou Discusses Her Latest Book,

3:15 Yahweh is the same as older Greek gods. Anthropormorphic, dynamic, colorful, emotional, vivid, changeable, masculine, real body parts. In "God: An Anatomy" Francesca explains the Hebrew text is very explicit in this.

Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text

The Enuma Elish (also known as The Seven Tablets of Creation) is the Babylonian creation myth whose title is derived from the opening lines of the piece,

www.worldhistory.org

Genesis/Enuma Elish

The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis. Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.

Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer, translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.


Both Genesis and Enuma Elsih are religious texts which detail and celebrate cultural origins: Genesis describes the origin and founding of the Jewish people under the guidance of the Lord; Enuma Elish recounts the origin and founding of Babylon under the leadership of the god Marduk. Contained in each work is a story of how the cosmos and man were created. Each work begins by describing the watery chaos and primeval darkness that once filled the universe. Then light is created to replace the darkness. Afterward, the heavens are made and in them heavenly bodies are placed. Finally, man is created.

Yahweh

Yahweh is the name of the state god of the ancient Kingdom of Israel and, later, the Kingdom of Judah. His name is composed of four Hebrew consonants (YHWH, known as the Tetragrammaton) which the prophet...

www.worldhistory.org

The meaning of the name `Yahweh' has been interpreted as “He Who Makes That Which Has Been Made” or “He Brings into Existence Whatever Exists”, though other interpretations have been offered by many scholars. In the late middle ages, `Yahweh' came to be changed to `Jehovah' by Christian monks, a name commonly in use today.


The character and power of Yahweh were codified following the Babylonian Captivity of the 6th century BCE and the Hebrew scriptures were canonized during the Second Temple Period (c. 515 BCE-70 CE) to include the concept of a messiah whom Yahweh would send to the Jewish people to lead and redeem them. Yahweh as the all-powerful creator, preserver, and redeemer of the universe was then later developed by the early Christians as their god who had sent his son Jesus as the promised messiah and Islam interpreted this same deity as Allah in their belief system.
Although the biblical narratives depict Yahweh as the sole creator god, lord of the universe, and god of the Israelites especially, initially he seems to have been Canaanite in origin and subordinate to the supreme god El. Canaanite inscriptions mention a lesser god Yahweh and even the biblical Book of Deuteronomy stipulates that “the Most High, El, gave to the nations their inheritance” and that “Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob and his allotted heritage” (32:8-9). A passage like this reflects the early beliefs of the Canaanites and Israelites in polytheism or, more accurately, henotheism (the belief in many gods with a focus on a single supreme deity). The claim that Israel always only acknowledged one god is a later belief cast back on the early days of Israel's development in Canaan.

No matter -- because only humans are said to think about and write about God and religion. I figure different than you, though.

 

[YoursTrue]

Dr. Francesca Stavrakopoulou, Professor of Hebrew Bible and Ancient Religion at the University of Exeter,

Francesca Stavrakopoulou PhD

9:00
The idea that the Israelite religion was extraordinary and different from religions of surrounding religions and cultures and this deity is somehow different and extraordinary and so this deity is wholly unlike all other deities in Southeast Asia. Historically this is not the case. Nothing unusual or extraordinary about Yahweh.
9:44 - Biblical ideas are based on ideas that Yahweh was unique. Nothing unique, find examples in much earlier religions, Yahweh is a local iteration of common deities



Francesca Stavrakopoulou Discusses Her Latest Book,

3:15 Yahweh is the same as older Greek gods. Anthropormorphic, dynamic, colorful, emotional, vivid, changeable, masculine, real body parts. In "God: An Anatomy" Francesca explains the Hebrew text is very explicit in this.

Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text

The Enuma Elish (also known as The Seven Tablets of Creation) is the Babylonian creation myth whose title is derived from the opening lines of the piece,

www.worldhistory.org

Genesis/Enuma Elish

The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis. Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.

Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer, translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.


Both Genesis and Enuma Elsih are religious texts which detail and celebrate cultural origins: Genesis describes the origin and founding of the Jewish people under the guidance of the Lord; Enuma Elish recounts the origin and founding of Babylon under the leadership of the god Marduk. Contained in each work is a story of how the cosmos and man were created. Each work begins by describing the watery chaos and primeval darkness that once filled the universe. Then light is created to replace the darkness. Afterward, the heavens are made and in them heavenly bodies are placed. Finally, man is created.

Yahweh

Yahweh is the name of the state god of the ancient Kingdom of Israel and, later, the Kingdom of Judah. His name is composed of four Hebrew consonants (YHWH, known as the Tetragrammaton) which the prophet...

www.worldhistory.org

The meaning of the name `Yahweh' has been interpreted as “He Who Makes That Which Has Been Made” or “He Brings into Existence Whatever Exists”, though other interpretations have been offered by many scholars. In the late middle ages, `Yahweh' came to be changed to `Jehovah' by Christian monks, a name commonly in use today.


The character and power of Yahweh were codified following the Babylonian Captivity of the 6th century BCE and the Hebrew scriptures were canonized during the Second Temple Period (c. 515 BCE-70 CE) to include the concept of a messiah whom Yahweh would send to the Jewish people to lead and redeem them. Yahweh as the all-powerful creator, preserver, and redeemer of the universe was then later developed by the early Christians as their god who had sent his son Jesus as the promised messiah and Islam interpreted this same deity as Allah in their belief system.
Although the biblical narratives depict Yahweh as the sole creator god, lord of the universe, and god of the Israelites especially, initially he seems to have been Canaanite in origin and subordinate to the supreme god El. Canaanite inscriptions mention a lesser god Yahweh and even the biblical Book of Deuteronomy stipulates that “the Most High, El, gave to the nations their inheritance” and that “Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob and his allotted heritage” (32:8-9). A passage like this reflects the early beliefs of the Canaanites and Israelites in polytheism or, more accurately, henotheism (the belief in many gods with a focus on a single supreme deity). The claim that Israel always only acknowledged one god is a later belief cast back on the early days of Israel's development in Canaan.

That's interesting because it actually upholds the idea of the history of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their descendants knowing the God they spoke about. Yeah, well, anyway, thanks for offering that, it actually put in place more about the Bible being true. Thanks.

 

[YoursTrue]

Not only is it not outrageous or foolish, it's not even a mistake. You claim time is not continuous at the quantum scale, or that it behaves somehow different than at macroscopic scales.
So if nothing is proven then why are you making this claim as if it's true? By pointing out nothing is proven now your stance makes less sense.

Probably (hehe, taking the statistics of probability) this is one of the first things you said with which I agree.

 

[YoursTrue]

Not only is it not outrageous or foolish, it's not even a mistake. You claim time is not continuous at the quantum scale, or that it behaves somehow different than at macroscopic scales.
So if nothing is proven then why are you making this claim as if it's true? By pointing out nothing is proven now your stance makes less sense.

But of course I never said anything was proven so that is a strawman. I said the evidence suggests time acts the same at a quantum scale, just as space does.





I listed several indicators that demonstrate time is no different at the quantum scale. There is no evidence of gaps in time, atomic clocks, particle decay, virtual disturbances don't suddenly freeze in time. They all operate smoothly in time.

It's a bit difficult to argue with Einstein, or someone like him. Now I'm beginning to wonder exactly what was his input in reference to composing the atomic bomb.

 

[exchemist]

It's a bit difficult to argue with Einstein, or someone like him. Now I'm beginning to wonder exactly what was his input in reference to composing the atomic bomb.

Very little, except that he put his name to a letter to Roosevelt drafted by Leo Szilard, warning the president that Germany was working on an atom bomb. Szilard correctly estimated that the warning would carry more weight if Einstein's name was on it. That letter was quite instrumental in leading to the Manhattan Project.

But Einstein had nothing to do with that project and his famous E=mc² is of no help to anyone trying to make a bomb. (All it does is explain the source of the energy released in fission, cf. mass defect).

 

[joelr]

No matter -- because only humans are said to think about and write about God and religion. I figure different than you, though.

I don't know what that means. It sounds a bit like you asked a question about what other Gods had the attributes of Yahweh and I provided a Hebrew Bible Professor explaining Yahweh is no different than Inana and other older deities from the region, and instead of providing a proper answer you moved the goalpost. If it doesn't matter why ask?

 

[joelr]

Probably (hehe, taking the statistics of probability) this is one of the first things you said with which I agree.

Good we found some common ground.

 

[joelr]

That's interesting because it actually upholds the idea of the history of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their descendants knowing the God they spoke about. Yeah, well, anyway, thanks for offering that, it actually put in place more about the Bible being true. Thanks.

That would be completely false. While similar things are said about all Near Eastern deities Yahweh is not Inana. Yahweh is not a female goddess.
It puts in place Yahweh is just another mythic God created by either Israelites or borrowed from Canaan or Egypt. Abraham is also most likely a literary creation. I don't think this suggests any truth to the Israelite version of God and divinities any more than any other nations legends.

The exaltation of Inana (Inana B): translation​

109-114The great gods kissed the earth and prostrated themselves. The high mountain land, the land of cornelian and lapis lazuli, bowed down before you, but Ebih did not bow down before you and did not greet you. Shattering it in your anger, as desired, you smashed it like a storm. Lady, pre-eminent through the power of An and Enlil, ....... Without you no destiny at all is determined, no clever counsel is granted favour.


115-131To run, to escape, to quiet and to pacify are yours, Inana. To rove around, to rush, to rise up, to fall down and to ...... a companion are yours, Inana. To open up roads and paths, a place of peace for the journey, a companion for the weak, are yours, Inana. To keep paths and ways in good order, to shatter earth and to make it firm are yours, Inana. To destroy, to build up, to tear out and to settle are yours, Inana. To turn a man into a woman and a woman into a man are yours, Inana. Desirability and arousal, goods and property are yours, Inana. Gain, profit, great wealth and greater wealth are yours, Inana. Gaining wealth and having success in wealth, financial loss and reduced wealth are yours, Inana. Observation (1 ms. has instead: Everything), choice, offering, inspection and approval are yours, Inana. Assigning virility, dignity, guardian angels, protective deities and cult centres are yours, Inana.
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132-154...... mercy and pity are yours, Inana. ...... are yours, Inana. To cause the ...... heart to tremble, ...... illnesses are yours, Inana. To have a wife, ......, to love ...... are yours, Inana. To rejoice, to control (?), ...... are yours, Inana. Neglect and care, raising and bowing down are yours, Inana. To build a house, to create a woman's chamber, to possess implements, to kiss a child's lips are yours, Inana. To run, to race, to desire and to succeed are yours, Inana. To interchange the brute and the strong and the weak and the powerless is yours, Inana. To interchange the heights and valleys and the ...... and the plains (?) is yours, Inana. To give the crown, the throne and the royal sceptre is yours, Inana.
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155-157To diminish, to make great, to make low, to make broad, to ...... and to give a lavish supply are yours, Inana. To bestow the divine and royal rites, to carry out the appropriate instructions, slander, untruthful words, abuse, to speak inimically and to overstate are yours, Inana.


158-168The false or true response, the sneer, to commit violence, to extend derision, to speak with hostility, to cause smiling and to be humbled or important, misfortune, hardship, grief, to make happy, to clarify and to darken, agitation, terror, fear, splendour and great awesomeness in radiance, triumph, pursuit, imbasur illness, sleeplessness and restlessness, submission, gift, ...... and howling, strife, chaos, opposition, fighting and carnage, ......, to know everything, to strengthen for the distant future a nest built ......, to instill fear in the ...... desert like a ...... poisonous snake, to subdue the hostile enemy, ...... and to hate ...... are yours, Inana.


169-173To ...... the lots ......, to gather the dispersed people and restore them to their homes, to receive ......, to ...... are yours, Inana.
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174-181...... the runners, when you open your mouth, ...... turns into ....... At your glance a deaf man does not ...... to one who can hear. At your angry glare what is bright darkens; you turn midday into darkness. When the time had come you destroyed the place you had in your thoughts, you made the place tremble. Nothing can be compared to your purposes (?); who can oppose your great deeds? You are the lady of heaven and earth! Inana, in (?) the palace the unbribable judge, among the numerous people ...... decisions. The invocation of your name fills the mountains, An (?) cannot compete with your .......


182-196Your understanding ...... all the gods ....... You alone are magnificent. You are the great cow among the gods of heaven and earth, as many as there are. When you raise your eyes they pay heed to you, they wait for your word. The Anuna gods stand praying in the place where you dwell. Great awesomeness, glory ....... May your praise not cease! Where is your name not magnificent?
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197-202Your song is grief, lament ....... Your ...... cannot be changed, your anger is crushing. Your creation cannot be ......, An has not diminished your ...... orders. Woman, with the help of An and Enlil you (?) have granted ...... as a gift in the assembly. Unison ...... An and Enlil ......, giving the Land into your hand. An does not answer the word you have uttered to him.


203-208Once you have said 'So be it', great An does not ...... for him. Your 'So be it' is a 'So be it' of destruction, to destroy ....... Once you have said your ...... in the assembly, An and Enlil will not disperse it. Once you have made a decision ......, it cannot be changed in heaven and earth. Once you have specified approval of a place, it experiences no destruction. Once you have specified destruction for a place, it experiences no approval.


209-218Your divinity shines in the pure heavens like Nanna or Utu. Your torch lights up the corners of heaven, turning darkness into light. ...... with fire. Your ...... refining ...... walks like Utu in front of you. No one can lay a hand on your precious divine powers; all your divine powers ....... You exercise full ladyship over heaven and earth; you hold everything in your hand. Mistress, you are magnificent, no one can walk before you. You dwell with great An in the holy resting-place. Which god is like you in gathering together ...... in heaven and earth? You are magnificent, your name is praised, you alone are magnificent!


219-242I am En-hedu-ana, the high priestess of the moon god. ......; I am the ...... of Nanna.
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243-253Advice ......, grief, bitterness ......, 'alas' ....... My lady, ...... mercy ...... compassion ...... I am yours! This will always be so! May your heart be soothed towards me! May your understanding ...... compassion. May ...... in front of you, may it be my offering. Your divinity is resplendent in the Land! My body has experienced your great punishment. Lament, bitterness, sleeplessness, distress, separation ......, mercy, compassion, care, lenience and homage are yours, and to cause flooding, to open hard ground and to turn darkness into light.


254-263My lady, let me proclaim your magnificence in all lands, and your glory! Let me praise your ways and greatness! Who rivals you in divinity? Who can compare with your divine rites? May great An, whom you love, say for you "It is enough!". May the great gods calm your mood. May the lapis lazuli dais, fit for ladyship, ....... May your magnificent dwelling place say to you: "Be seated". May your pure bed say to you: "Relax". Your ......, where Utu rises, .......


264-271They proclaim your magnificence; you are the lady ....... An and Enlil have determined a great destiny for you throughout the entire universe. They have bestowed upon you ladyship in the gu-ena. Being fitted for ladyship, you determine the destiny of noble ladies. Mistress, you are magnificent, you are great! Inana, you are magnificent, you are great! My lady, your magnificence is resplendent. May your heart be restored for my sake!


272-274Your great deeds are unparallelled, your magnificence is praised! Young woman, Inana, your praise is sweet!

 

[joelr]

It's a bit difficult to argue with Einstein, or someone like him. Now I'm beginning to wonder exactly what was his input in reference to composing the atomic bomb.

Einstein came up with E=Mc2 and was the first to suggest this could be used in a fission device with radioactive material. In a letter to the U.S. President. Other physicists developed it.

 

[YoursTrue]

That would be completely false. While similar things are said about all Near Eastern deities Yahweh is not Inana. Yahweh is not a female goddess.
It puts in place Yahweh is just another mythic God created by either Israelites or borrowed from Canaan or Egypt. Abraham is also most likely a literary creation. I don't think this suggests any truth to the Israelite version of God and divinities any more than any other nations legends.

The exaltation of Inana (Inana B): translation​

109-114The great gods kissed the earth and prostrated themselves. The high mountain land, the land of cornelian and lapis lazuli, bowed down before you, but Ebih did not bow down before you and did not greet you. Shattering it in your anger, as desired, you smashed it like a storm. Lady, pre-eminent through the power of An and Enlil, ....... Without you no destiny at all is determined, no clever counsel is granted favour.


115-131To run, to escape, to quiet and to pacify are yours, Inana. To rove around, to rush, to rise up, to fall down and to ...... a companion are yours, Inana. To open up roads and paths, a place of peace for the journey, a companion for the weak, are yours, Inana. To keep paths and ways in good order, to shatter earth and to make it firm are yours, Inana. To destroy, to build up, to tear out and to settle are yours, Inana. To turn a man into a woman and a woman into a man are yours, Inana. Desirability and arousal, goods and property are yours, Inana. Gain, profit, great wealth and greater wealth are yours, Inana. Gaining wealth and having success in wealth, financial loss and reduced wealth are yours, Inana. Observation (1 ms. has instead: Everything), choice, offering, inspection and approval are yours, Inana. Assigning virility, dignity, guardian angels, protective deities and cult centres are yours, Inana.
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132-154...... mercy and pity are yours, Inana. ...... are yours, Inana. To cause the ...... heart to tremble, ...... illnesses are yours, Inana. To have a wife, ......, to love ...... are yours, Inana. To rejoice, to control (?), ...... are yours, Inana. Neglect and care, raising and bowing down are yours, Inana. To build a house, to create a woman's chamber, to possess implements, to kiss a child's lips are yours, Inana. To run, to race, to desire and to succeed are yours, Inana. To interchange the brute and the strong and the weak and the powerless is yours, Inana. To interchange the heights and valleys and the ...... and the plains (?) is yours, Inana. To give the crown, the throne and the royal sceptre is yours, Inana.
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155-157To diminish, to make great, to make low, to make broad, to ...... and to give a lavish supply are yours, Inana. To bestow the divine and royal rites, to carry out the appropriate instructions, slander, untruthful words, abuse, to speak inimically and to overstate are yours, Inana.


158-168The false or true response, the sneer, to commit violence, to extend derision, to speak with hostility, to cause smiling and to be humbled or important, misfortune, hardship, grief, to make happy, to clarify and to darken, agitation, terror, fear, splendour and great awesomeness in radiance, triumph, pursuit, imbasur illness, sleeplessness and restlessness, submission, gift, ...... and howling, strife, chaos, opposition, fighting and carnage, ......, to know everything, to strengthen for the distant future a nest built ......, to instill fear in the ...... desert like a ...... poisonous snake, to subdue the hostile enemy, ...... and to hate ...... are yours, Inana.


169-173To ...... the lots ......, to gather the dispersed people and restore them to their homes, to receive ......, to ...... are yours, Inana.
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174-181...... the runners, when you open your mouth, ...... turns into ....... At your glance a deaf man does not ...... to one who can hear. At your angry glare what is bright darkens; you turn midday into darkness. When the time had come you destroyed the place you had in your thoughts, you made the place tremble. Nothing can be compared to your purposes (?); who can oppose your great deeds? You are the lady of heaven and earth! Inana, in (?) the palace the unbribable judge, among the numerous people ...... decisions. The invocation of your name fills the mountains, An (?) cannot compete with your .......


182-196Your understanding ...... all the gods ....... You alone are magnificent. You are the great cow among the gods of heaven and earth, as many as there are. When you raise your eyes they pay heed to you, they wait for your word. The Anuna gods stand praying in the place where you dwell. Great awesomeness, glory ....... May your praise not cease! Where is your name not magnificent?
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197-202Your song is grief, lament ....... Your ...... cannot be changed, your anger is crushing. Your creation cannot be ......, An has not diminished your ...... orders. Woman, with the help of An and Enlil you (?) have granted ...... as a gift in the assembly. Unison ...... An and Enlil ......, giving the Land into your hand. An does not answer the word you have uttered to him.


203-208Once you have said 'So be it', great An does not ...... for him. Your 'So be it' is a 'So be it' of destruction, to destroy ....... Once you have said your ...... in the assembly, An and Enlil will not disperse it. Once you have made a decision ......, it cannot be changed in heaven and earth. Once you have specified approval of a place, it experiences no destruction. Once you have specified destruction for a place, it experiences no approval.


209-218Your divinity shines in the pure heavens like Nanna or Utu. Your torch lights up the corners of heaven, turning darkness into light. ...... with fire. Your ...... refining ...... walks like Utu in front of you. No one can lay a hand on your precious divine powers; all your divine powers ....... You exercise full ladyship over heaven and earth; you hold everything in your hand. Mistress, you are magnificent, no one can walk before you. You dwell with great An in the holy resting-place. Which god is like you in gathering together ...... in heaven and earth? You are magnificent, your name is praised, you alone are magnificent!


219-242I am En-hedu-ana, the high priestess of the moon god. ......; I am the ...... of Nanna.
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243-253Advice ......, grief, bitterness ......, 'alas' ....... My lady, ...... mercy ...... compassion ...... I am yours! This will always be so! May your heart be soothed towards me! May your understanding ...... compassion. May ...... in front of you, may it be my offering. Your divinity is resplendent in the Land! My body has experienced your great punishment. Lament, bitterness, sleeplessness, distress, separation ......, mercy, compassion, care, lenience and homage are yours, and to cause flooding, to open hard ground and to turn darkness into light.


254-263My lady, let me proclaim your magnificence in all lands, and your glory! Let me praise your ways and greatness! Who rivals you in divinity? Who can compare with your divine rites? May great An, whom you love, say for you "It is enough!". May the great gods calm your mood. May the lapis lazuli dais, fit for ladyship, ....... May your magnificent dwelling place say to you: "Be seated". May your pure bed say to you: "Relax". Your ......, where Utu rises, .......


264-271They proclaim your magnificence; you are the lady ....... An and Enlil have determined a great destiny for you throughout the entire universe. They have bestowed upon you ladyship in the gu-ena. Being fitted for ladyship, you determine the destiny of noble ladies. Mistress, you are magnificent, you are great! Inana, you are magnificent, you are great! My lady, your magnificence is resplendent. May your heart be restored for my sake!


272-274Your great deeds are unparallelled, your magnificence is praised! Young woman, Inana, your praise is sweet!

It's probably better if you could keep your replies shorter. But I hope you can tell me where you got this information from.

 

[joelr]

It's probably better if you could keep your replies shorter.

No thank you.

But I hope you can tell me where you got this information from.

A hymn to Inana

A hymn to Inana (Inana C): translation

The exaltation of Inana​

The exaltation of Inana (Inana B): translation

Yale book
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[exchemist]

Einstein came up with E=Mc2 and was the first to suggest this could be used in a fission device with radioactive material. In a letter to the U.S. President. Other physicists developed it.

This looks wrong to me. Nuclear fission was discovered by others (Hahn and Strassman), not Einstein. It was Leo Szilard who first recognised a fission bomb was possible, fearing the Germans would make one. Einstein–Szilard letter - Wikipedia

Einstein's reaction, on being told such a bomb was possible, was : "Daran habe ich gar nicht gedacht" ("I did not even think about that"). Szilard and others drafted a letter for Einstein to sign, warning of the danger, having realised his name on it would get the attention of the US government.

E=mc² is of no help at all in making a bomb. All it does is explain where the energy comes from in nuclear fission (and fusion) reactions, cf. mass defect: What Mass Defect Means in Physics and Chemistry

 

[joelr]

This looks wrong to me. Nuclear fission was discovered by others (Hahn and Strassman), not Einstein. It was Leo Szilard who first recognised a fission bomb was possible, fearing the Germans would make one. Einstein–Szilard letter - Wikipedia

Einstein's reaction, on being told such a bomb was possible, was : "Daran habe ich gar nicht gedacht" ("I did not even think about that"). Szilard and others drafted a letter for Einstein to sign, warning of the danger, having realised his name on it would get the attention of the US government.

E=mc² is of no help at all in making a bomb. All it does is explain where the energy comes from in nuclear fission (and fusion) reactions, cf. mass defect: What Mass Defect Means in Physics and Chemistry

"1) it was his initiative which started U.S. bomb research; 2) it was his equation (E = mc2) which made the atomic bomb theoretically possible.”

The fission reaction is calculated with different equations but the general idea about mass/energy is what got it started. I am familiar with the history, it's been a while however.

 

[exchemist]

"1) it was his initiative which started U.S. bomb research; 2) it was his equation (E = mc2) which made the atomic bomb theoretically possible.”

The fission reaction is calculated with different equations but the general idea about mass/energy is what got it started. I am familiar with the history, it's been a while however.

Yes and no. It wasn't his initiative: it was Szsilard's. But he did contribute his name to the letter, sure.

Re your 2, certainly the equation explains why one might expect fission that leads to lower masses than the starting material should release energy. So yes it helped people to believe that fission might be an energy source, once they knew the atom could be split. But nobody bleieved that was even possible for 20 years after Einstein published it. Einstein himself never suggested or predicted anything like that. The most he did in that respect was to suggest his equation could perhaps be tested by radioactive decay.

It seems to me that if any one thing can be singled out as getting nuclear fission started, it was probably the discovery of the neutron and Fermi's subsequent experiments with neutron bombardment. That's what led to the splitting of heavy atomic nuclei.

 

[YoursTrue]

No thank you.


A hymn to Inana

A hymn to Inana (Inana C): translation

The exaltation of Inana​

The exaltation of Inana (Inana B): translation

Yale book
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There's always something by somebody to be said, whether it's true or not.

 

[joelr]

Yes and no. It wasn't his initiative: it was Szsilard's. But he did contribute his name to the letter, sure.

Re your 2, certainly the equation explains why one might expect fission that leads to lower masses than the starting material should release energy. So yes it helped people to believe that fission might be an energy source, once they knew the atom could be split. But nobody bleieved that was even possible for 20 years after Einstein published it. Einstein himself never suggested or predicted anything like that. The most he did in that respect was to suggest his equation could perhaps be tested by radioactive decay.

It seems to me that if any one thing can be singled out as getting nuclear fission started, it was probably the discovery of the neutron and Fermi's subsequent experiments with neutron bombardment. That's what led to the splitting of heavy atomic nuclei.

This source says after Szsilard demonstrated the concept of a chain reaction to Einstein he immediately recognized the implications and wanted to contact a Belgium minister.

Chain Reaction: From Einstein to the Atomic Bomb

From his theoretical contributions to his influential letter to President Roosevelt, here is the real story of Einstein's indirect yet pivotal role in the atomic bomb's development.

www.discovermagazine.com

 

[joelr]

There's always something by somebody to be said, whether it's true or not.

Exactly. Which is why I use evidence and a logical, rational methodology with beliefs. So I have a greater chance of believing true things.

 

[YoursTrue]

Exactly. Which is why I use evidence and a logical, rational methodology with beliefs. So I have a greater chance of believing true things.

Even in the Bible, things were questioned and sometimes doubted. Until revealed by God. So I understand it appears logical that man evolved from some Unknown Common Ancestor of the ape family, and it did once appear logical to me. Rather than use the word logical, I should say I believed it. I no longer give credence to the theory as scientists proclaim it, as if no higher intelligent power was forming the elements and conductivity of the process of growth. I believe now what the Bible says, much as so many here do not.

 

[YoursTrue]

Very little, except that he put his name to a letter to Roosevelt drafted by Leo Szilard, warning the president that Germany was working on an atom bomb. Szilard correctly estimated that the warning would carry more weight if Einstein's name was on it. That letter was quite instrumental in leading to the Manhattan Project.

But Einstein had nothing to do with that project and his famous E=mc² is of no help to anyone trying to make a bomb. (All it does is explain the source of the energy released in fission, cf. mass defect).

Germany was working on an atomic bomb during that time, I didn't know that. I'm kind of wondering, with all the battles going on, why the nuclear bombs haven't been used, they're killing so many anyway. Ukraine, Russia, etc.

 

[exchemist]

Germany was working on an atomic bomb during that time, I didn't know that. I'm kind of wondering, with all the battles going on, why the nuclear bombs haven't been used, they're killing so many anyway. Ukraine, Russia, etc.

More details here: German nuclear weapons program - Wikipedia