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Let's Talk About Druidry

GoodAttention

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Bhagawat Purana is a Viashnav scripture, and as an atheist, I do not have much interest in it. Of course, Manu talking to Dhruva about peace is good. Krishna too said that in fighting a war emotions should not play any part. But that is it.
My interest in Druids is limited to the origin of the word. Of course, perhaps they were the part of the Yamnaya people to branched to the far west as the Indian Aryans branched to India. So, they are likely to have many similarities. And differences too, which they collected from interacting with different people on their way.
But your mention of Boudica made me open the Wikipedia page, as well as that of Angelsey (Ongli :)).

Of course we can go to Tamil for Boudi-ka :). Wikipedia tells us the name was honorific, and the ka was added to note woman, meaning "boudi" would have its own meaning.

புத்தி​

putti n. buddhi. 1. Reason, power of discernment or judgment, one of the four species of antakkaraṇam, q.v.; அந்தக்கரணம்நான்கனுள் ஆராய்ந்துதெளியுங் கரணம். (சி. போ.சிற். 4, 1, 2.) 2. Intellect, understanding, knowledge, wisdom; ஞானம். புத்தி புகுந்தவா (திருவாச.13, 19). 3. Instinct, instinctive knowledge, as that of animals; இயற்கையுணர்வு. 4. Instruction, admonition, counsel, exhortation; போதனை.(W.) 5. Wise plan, method; நல்லுபாயம்.


Closest I could find for druid in Tamil, keeping in mind that in ancient times such people could have been considered leaders or "learned" in some form. The Romans also called Ynys Mons "Mona", which I believe also relates to nobility through the Latin root.

துரை​

turai n. cf. dhurya. [T. dora, K.dore.] 1. Chief, lord; master, ruler; gentleman,nobleman; தலைவன் கொஞ்சந் துரையே யருள்(திருப்பு. 70). 2. European gentleman; ஐரோப்பியன் Colloq.


Going back to Ynys Mon, I'm not sure if I am transliterating the first word correctly your input will be helpful @The Hammer

ஈன்(னு)-தல்​

īṉ- 8 v. tr. [T. īnu, K. M.īn.] 1. To bear, bring forth, yean; கருவுயிர்த்தல் (நாலடி. 400.) 2. To produce, yield, bring intobeing; உண்டாக்குதல் நயனீன்று நன்றி பயக்கும்(குறள், 97).


So my conclusion is Ynys Mons is "The place where nobles are made/become".

This has Aryan/PIE written all over it! @Aupmanyav !
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
'putti' is more Sanskrit than Tamil. I think there are other words in Tamil representing buddhi and wisdom.
'turai' could relate to 'turvasas' or Tocharians (Tusharas), Aryan tribes which came from Turan, other parts of Central Asia.
Some people opine that the word 'Thakura' comes from 'Tokharas'.
(like people in North India labelling any European as 'ang'rez' and any European countries as 'Vilayet').
Could not think an equivalent of 'īṉ'. The common Sanskrit word for that is 'bhuh'.
But I am not that much of a Sanskrit scholar. Sanskrit dictionary is large.
Yeah, Indo-European herders traveled far and wide. :)
 

GoodAttention

Well-Known Member
'putti' is more Sanskrit than Tamil. I think there are other words in Tamil representing buddhi and wisdom.
'turai' could relate to 'turvasas' or Tocharians (Tusharas), Aryan tribes which came from Turan, other parts of Central Asia.
Some people opine that the word 'Thakura' comes from 'Tokharas'.
(like people in North India labelling any European as 'ang'rez' and any European countries as 'Vilayet').
Could not think an equivalent of 'īṉ'. The common Sanskrit word for that is 'bhuh'.
But I am not that much of a Sanskrit scholar. Sanskrit dictionary is large.
Yeah, Indo-European herders traveled far and wide. :)

I leant more to Tamil because of the word புத்தகம் or "puttakam" means book, but again this doesn't prove anything. The dictionary I use usually tells if the derivation is Sanskrit. There are other words for wisdom, but "putti" is more about the practical, rather than the theory, if that makes sense. One who has "putti" can put his or her intelligence into action.

I presumed "putti" becomes "buddhi", and Boudica could have been Boudi-aka, with "aka" meaning older sister.

I had a good laugh today remembering when I said to you if Sanskrit and Tamil are siblings, one is always climbing on the others back.

But when we are presented with this I think, the same one that was climbing also carried the other on his back far and wide :).
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Tamil 'Puttakam' seems to be from Sanskrit 'Pustakam'.
No one is climbing over shoulders of others. They were sisters. So, cannot one sister use things which belong to the other? Nail polish, lipstick, etc.
Of course, there are limitations.
 

GoodAttention

Well-Known Member
Tamil 'Puttakam' seems to be from Sanskrit 'Pustakam'.
No one is climbing over shoulders of others. They were sisters. So, cannot one sister use things which belong to the other? Nail polish, lipstick, etc.
Of course, there are limitations.

Of course friend, and this is the resolution I am hoping for the most amongst the Indian community.

Now if we acknowledge the sister, let us also acknowledge her presence.

For this, all theories about the history of India should keep this is in mind, otherwise we get the dominance of one over the other, when the answer was sitting beside us all along.

 

GoodAttention

Well-Known Member
No. Not according to anything I've read or heard.

I think there is much beauty and reverence in belief systems that have sex equality, and whilst some attempt this, if you have to try then you are already trying too hard.

I find it also interesting the most recent movement started almost as a “rejection” of Christianity.

What do you “feel” when you start or complete a ritual @The Hammer ?
 

River Sea

Well-Known Member
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala I'll need to re-read this more slowly. I only know light in me, so I'm not sure what all this is. I'll send it anyways.


The DRUIDRY
Handbook
Spiritual Practice Rooted in the Living Earth
John Michael Greer

PDF page 65

As William Blake said, “The wisest of the ancients considered what is not too explicit as the fittest for instruction.” These nine concepts are divided up, in keeping with Druid tradition, into three triads.The first triad of Druid teachings covered here focuses on three fundamental images, each of which is itself a triad: the Three Rays of Light, the Three Circles of Manifestation, and the three elements of Druid natural philosophy. Three Rays of Light Einigen the Giant, the first of all beings, beheld three rays of light descending from the heavens.Those three rays were also a word of three syllables, the true name of the god Celi, the hidden spirit of life that creates all things. In them was all the knowledge that ever was or is or will be. Beholding the rays, Einigen took three staves of rowan and carved all knowledge upon them, in letters of straight and slanted lines. But when others saw the staves, they misunderstood and worshipped the staves as gods, rather than learning the knowledge written upon them. So great was Einigen’s grief and anger at this that he burst asunder and died. When a year and a day had passed after Einigen’s death, Menw son of Teirwaedd happened on the skull of Einigen, and saw that the three rowan staves had taken root inside it and were growing out of its mouth.Taking the staves, Menw learned to read the writing on them and became famous for his wisdom. From him, the lore of the rowan staves passed to the Gwyddoniaid—the ancient loremasters of the Celts—and ultimately from them to the Druids.Thus the knowledge that had once shone forth in three great rays of light, passed through many minds and hands, now forms the wisdom of the Druid tradition. The tale of Einigen the Giant and the three rays of light is the origin 50 myth of the Druid Revival.The rays themselves form the core symbol of Druidry, and appear constantly wherever Druid Revival teachings have left traces.They represent Awen, the heart of the Druid path. What is Awen? In its most basic sense, it means spirit, inspiration, and illumination.Awen is the inner light that gives the mind the ability to reach beyond itself. It’s Awen that turns writers of verse into poets and shows glimpses of the future to prophets and diviners. Druids of the Revival studied the lore of Awen and related it to knowledge and experience from many sources. They knew that people of all religions experienced moments of illumination in which the world took on profound meaning. Some of these experiences, they knew, happened when people turned their attention outward to nature or the great spiritual powers of nature that human beings call gods. They knew that other experiences of the same kind took place when people turned their attention inward to the core of themselves. These two modes of experience are symbolized by two ways of drawing the three rays of light.The first, the invoking form \|/, represents the experience of Einigen—the descent of Awen from a divine source outside the self. The second, more commonly used evoking form /|\ represents the experience of Menw—the awakening of Awen within the individual soul through study and contemplation (see figure 1).The two forms together form an emblem called the Tribann. FIGURE 1. THE THREE RAYS OF LIGHT.

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The tale of the three rays of light is myth, not history.Yet the word
“myth” needs to be understood with care.Too many people today use
it to mean a story that isn’t true. Real myths, however, aren’t mere
lies, even when they have nothing to do with historical fact. As the
Greek philosopher Sallust put it: “Myths are things that never happened, but always are.”5
Thus it matters not at all whether a person named Menw ap
Teirwaedd existed, whether he came across the skull of a giant with
three rowan shoots growing out of it, or whether this happened exactly
366 days after the giant’s death.The daily-newspaper sense of literal fact
that fundamentalists bring to sacred texts has no place in the Druid
understanding of myth. The heart of any myth is not whether it happened—or, for that matter, who wrote it—but what it means and what
it has to teach.
This insight itself is, in fact, among the things the tale of Einigen
teaches. Einigen recognized the rays of light, and Menw recognized
the staves, as bearers of knowledge. The others who saw the staves
failed to grasp this, and worshipped the staves instead of learning from
them. There’s a potent lesson here on the difference between a religion of belief and a spirituality based on understanding.The stave worshippers treated the staves as objects of faith, and missed every
teaching those objects were meant to convey. In the same way, someone can believe in the story of Einigen and Menw, and never grasp that
their tale has something to teach.
This isn’t the only lesson of the myth, however.The three rays are also
three shouts and the three parts of the true name of the god Celi, the
hidden source of all things.That name is the word Awen itself, divided
into three syllables:Ah-Oh-En.Take a moment to think about what this
means. Awen, the inner illumination that gives gifts of poetry and
prophecy, is the true name of the source of all things.To touch Awen
is to touch the divine energy that creates the universe.To write a poem
that captures a flash of inspiration is to enact the deed of Einigen,

and more to read there. There's more to read there.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
I think there is much beauty and reverence in belief systems that have sex equality, and whilst some attempt this, if you have to try then you are already trying too hard.
Not sure it's really explicitly stated? Imo it's pretty much a given.
I find it also interesting the most recent movement started almost as a “rejection” of Christianity.
I'm not sure that I agree with this position.

People don't "reject" anything, they believe what they do. This focus on "rejection" is a culturally Abrahamic (rejection of Christ) paradigm I don't share.

What do you “feel” when you start or complete a ritual @The Hammer ?

Depends on the ritual. What was its intention (high day, healing rite, initiation, oath taking, divination).
 
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GoodAttention

Well-Known Member
Not sure it's really explicitly stated? Imo it's pretty much a given.

How it should be :)

I'm not sure that I agree with this position.

People don't "reject" anything, they believe what they do. This focus on "rejection" is a culturally Abrahamic (rejection of Christ) paradigm I don't share.

Excellent.

It sounds, in my basic understanding, a universally personal belief system, stripping away but also adding to, if that makes sense.

Depends on the ritual. What was its intention (high day, healing rite, initiation, oath taking, divination).

Oath taking. Definitely this one, if you don’t mind.
 

River Sea

Well-Known Member
I think there is much beauty and reverence in belief systems that have sex equality, and whilst some attempt this, if you have to try then you are already trying too hard.

I find it also interesting the most recent movement started almost as a “rejection” of Christianity.

What do you “feel” when you start or complete a ritual @The Hammer ?
You @GoodAttention brought the word Christianity into this thread.

John the Baptist happen before the word Christian and there's people who follow John the Baptist instead of Jesus. What would they be called in Druids? Mandaeans Druids would they be called.

@GoodAttention what about the rejection to John the Baptist, it was extremely difficult when a lot of land was control by who? Where does one go to escape. Even John the Baptist didn't make it. I'm only asking your question about rejection of Christianity even though these people couldn't escape. It was due to the control of land and their laws.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala and what all happened during 1500 BCE and needing to leave their land due to droughts. How did they greet people as they traveled? @Bharat Jhunjhunwala what are your thoughts about Druids?

@GoodAttention I was asking a question, how do people greet each other in 1900 BCE -Wait no 1900 BCE don't fit in 1500 BCE to 300 BCE. I got that wrong. But you could had included 1900 BCE. oh and what is yk. You show yk. found it: 4.2-kiloyear event - Wikipedia
4.2-kiloyear event
The 4.2-kiloyear (thousand years) BP aridification event (long-term drought), also known as the 4.2 ka event,[2] was one of the most severe climatic events of the Holocene epoch.[3] It defines the beginning of the current Meghalayan age in the Holocene epoch.

Starting around 2200 BC, it most likely lasted the entire 22nd century BC. It has been hypothesised to have caused the collapse of the Old Kingdom in Egypt, the Akkadian Empire in Mesopotamia, and the Liangzhu culture in the lower Yangtze River area.[4][5] The drought may also have initiated the collapse of the Indus Valley Civilisation, with some of its population moving southeastward to follow the movement of their desired habitat,[6] as well as the migration of Indo-European-speaking people into India.[7] Some scientists disagree with that conclusion, citing evidence that the event was not a global drought and did not happen in a clear timeline.

@GoodAttention
How did people greet each other in that timing, your pick of date 1900 BCE or 2200 BCE or your pick of the date?

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala how did people greet each other in 300 BCE as it's only OIT during 1500 BCE

Now I'm concern if I'm off topic. However some here claims that there's Christian Druids.

Silent words would be (example) another meaning within a word that is assumed will be comprehended. I notice Christianity uses that language often.

Example of silent language: when a Christian is explaining of Jesus rose from the dead, a Christian will be silent about that and only say, Jesus died for sins. See all the silent in that? I'm using this as an example. But it continues as if that's how Christians communicate. I hope that example explains. There's a lot of not said words in the Christian way of communicating.

After a while I comprehend the person with their silent language. The challenge is is I would go through a lot of emotions to find what it is.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala how did people greet each other how?
@GoodAttention how did people greet each other when John the Baptist was escaping for his life?

@GoodAttention Christianity is one of the Abrahamic religions. Christians rejects others in their Abrahamic religions too. So it happens the other way around too.

Maybe Christian Druids don't reject other Abrahamic religions I don't know of yet.

I hope I'm not off topic, this is extremely a challenge for me when seeing word Christian with the word Druids

Earlier I learned
I was told Norse and Germany is only what was it, common in language was it, but it was a different date timing., yet suddenly is word Christian from @GoodAttention

Norse was when way before; yet when was the naming of people of Christianity was that?

And the mix up of timing is what is messing me up
 
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River Sea

Well-Known Member
(2) 4.2ky event, and the movements of people around this time
What are the events that happened 4.2 ky, what does ky mean?
It sounds, in my basic understanding, a universally personal belief system, stripping away but also adding to, if that makes sense.
I have universal personal beliefs too, where I have similarities with all religions. The difference is I don't claim I'm of any titles of religions. Because I usually don't agree with everything. I take what I want from all religions.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala @GoodAttention

I only read areas of light that began on page pdf 65


The DRUIDRY
Handbook
Spiritual Practice Rooted in the Living Earth
John Michael Greer
 

River Sea

Well-Known Member
Astrology and horoscopes in general isn't always worshipping stars as such, but it is putting control into an entity.

There are "auspicious" and "inauspicious' days, so the stars move and depending on position will have an affect on your life.

@GoodAttention do Druids put control into an entity.

@GoodAttention you wrote
"Astrology and horoscopes in general isn't always worshipping stars as such, but it is putting control into an entity"

Do Druids pray to Ganapathi?

(1) Ganapathi is Ganesh, remover of obstacles. Same diety, different name.

(2) Saturn, or Sani in Tamil, is considered to bring "negative energy" or in other words "bad luck". This is an astrological concept, I don't believe the Vedas or other scriptures talk about this specifically, but I could be wrong. In any case, the way I see it, if Saturn is "unlucky" then it is better to pray to Ganapathi to remove this obstacle, than it is to "submit" to Saturn by offering prays or whatnot.
Do Druids pray to Ganapathi?

I really don't know if I'm off topic. But you @GoodAttention included word Christian. At that time I learned there's Christian Druids. So maybe there's Hindu Druids and Jewish Druids and Muslim Druids. And is there Atheist Druids.

Oh and maybe there's Kemet Druids, what do you think @Tamino

I don't have me as any religion, I do take what I want from all of religions, however lately I wonder if I do lousy at that.

Oh Hathor and when I was seeing if I could write about Hathor, I end up writing about Sekhmet as I thought that was Hathor.

Nebetiunet (“Lady of Dendera”; a title of the goddess Hathor) was a princess of the Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt, a daughter of Pharaoh Thutmose III and his Great Royal Wife Merytre-Hatshepsut


So @Bharat Jhunjhunwala @Tamino what was the Druids with about Hathor? I'll have the freedom to look what the dates are and oh how did these people greet each other. let me know?

Druids is of what date?

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The earliest known references to the Druids date back to the 4th century BC, and the oldest detailed description is from Julius Caesar's Commentarii de Bello Gallico in the 50s BCE. The era of Druidry is thought to have lasted from around 400 BCE to 600 CE.


Here are some important dates and events related to the Druids:
  • Tiberius's ban
    In the 1st century AD, the Roman Emperor Tiberius banned Druidism due to the alleged practice of human sacrifice. (I ask, what human sacrifice how come?)
  • Druid revival
    In the 1700s, a Druid revival occurred in England and Wales, with William Blake taking part as an Arch-druid.




  • Modern Druidry
    Modern Druidry has spread to 34 nations across 6 continents, and roughly 92% of the world's Druids live outside the British Isles.
    I ask this? How come Tiberius's ban wait it was because of human sacrifice.

    Hathor happen way before the Druids, so that means Hathor would had not known of Druid,

  • Why was Tiberius ban for because human sacrifice,
 

JustGeorge

Imperfect
Staff member
Premium Member
@GoodAttention do Druids put control into an entity.

@GoodAttention you wrote
"Astrology and horoscopes in general isn't always worshipping stars as such, but it is putting control into an entity"

Do Druids pray to Ganapathi?


Do Druids pray to Ganapathi?

I really don't know if I'm off topic. But you @GoodAttention included word Christian. At that time I learned there's Christian Druids. So maybe there's Hindu Druids and Jewish Druids and Muslim Druids. And is there Atheist Druids.

Oh and maybe there's Kemet Druids, what do you think @Tamino

I don't have me as any religion, I do take what I want from all of religions, however lately I wonder if I do lousy at that.

Oh Hathor and when I was seeing if I could write about Hathor, I end up writing about Sekhmet as I thought that was Hathor.





So @Bharat Jhunjhunwala @Tamino what was the Druids with about Hathor? I'll have the freedom to look what the dates are and oh how did these people greet each other. let me know?

Druids is of what date?

AI Overview
Learn more…Opens in new tab

The earliest known references to the Druids date back to the 4th century BC, and the oldest detailed description is from Julius Caesar's Commentarii de Bello Gallico in the 50s BCE. The era of Druidry is thought to have lasted from around 400 BCE to 600 CE.


Here are some important dates and events related to the Druids:
  • Tiberius's ban
    In the 1st century AD, the Roman Emperor Tiberius banned Druidism due to the alleged practice of human sacrifice. (I ask, what human sacrifice how come?)
  • Druid revival
    In the 1700s, a Druid revival occurred in England and Wales, with William Blake taking part as an Arch-druid.




  • Modern Druidry
    Modern Druidry has spread to 34 nations across 6 continents, and roughly 92% of the world's Druids live outside the British Isles.
    I ask this? How come Tiberius's ban

    Hathor happen way before the Druids, so that means Hathor would had not known of Druid,

  • Why was Tiberius ban for
Your post mostly confuses me,

But, Druids did not traditionally pray to Ganapathi. They are Celtic in origin.

However, nothing prevents a modern day Druid from praying to Ganapathi.

If a person is working within a tight group, there may be deities that are acknowledged during a group ritual. They will most likely be Celtic, or possibly spirits native to the land if the group is outside of Celtic lands.

Druids rarely concern themselves with how other Druids worship(or who they worship) outside of that, though. Or, if they worship at all(some Druids are atheists).
 

GoodAttention

Well-Known Member
Maybe Christian Druids don't reject other Abrahamic religions I don't know of yet.

I hope I'm not off topic, this is extremely a challenge for me when seeing word Christian with the word Druids

I mentioned Christianity within the context of "rejection", following on from comments #8, 9, and 11 discussing Ross Nichols who "started it as a neopagan institute" as per @The Hammer .

It is certainly off topic, but more to the point is that there are also Christian druids.

Earlier I learned
I was told Norse and Germany is only what was it, common in language was it, but it was a different date timing., yet suddenly is word Christian from @GoodAttention

Norse was when way before; yet when was the naming of people of Christianity was that?

And the mix up of timing is what is messing me up

Timeline is very important!

We are currently discussing circa 1960s and what is druidry, not Christianity.
 
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