LGBT advocating Christians?

[Rainbow Mage]

I guess I'm asking if either your church/denomination is accepting and supportive of gay people, or if you yourself are?

Do you believe being gay advocates ties in with the message of love and social justice in the gospels?

 

[Me Myself]

Te problem with your poll is that you said homosexuals instead of homosexual activities.

And the word "accepting" its kinda problematic too. T the very leadt, we all accept homoosexual activity exists.

 

[Me Myself]

I mean most christians will tell you that they either dont believe in "homosexuals" or that they support homosexuals but not their "sin"

 

[dawny0826]

I'm supportive of civil rights for LGBTQ America. I'm sensitive to the pain and struggles of people under this umbrella, particularly, those who are transgender and queer and I support civil liberties and common sense.

 

[Shiranui117]

I personally think that gay marriage should be allowed under US law, and that there's no good reason not to allow it; we're supposed to be a secular nation, and our laws shouldn't be based upon or influenced by any religion whatsoever, Christianity being no exception. But if gays/lesbians want to be married in the Orthodox Church, it simply isn't going to ever happen. US law is one thing, Church doctrine is another.

We Orthodox WOULD say that hating, persecuting or judging anyone is extremely un-Orthodox and un-Christlike, however--and that includes the LGBT community.

 

[Cercatore]

I'm in favor of civil unions for everyone under US law. I don't necessarily think the state should be involved in "marriages." The word "marriage" does have some religious baggage attached to it, and it would make more sense to me for the US to just drop the word. Let religious communities perform "marriages." Let the courthouse hand out civil union documents.

As for myself, I've no issue with the LGBTQ community. Love and submission to God is the most important thing. Who am I to judge or persecute?

I'm not sure if its appropriate for homosexual marriages to be performed in the context of a Christian community, but I'd say that's up to a community to decide.

 

[Katzpur]

I personally think that gay marriage should be allowed under US law, and that there's no good reason not to allow it; we're supposed to be a secular nation, and our laws shouldn't be based upon or influenced by any religion whatsoever, Christianity being no exception. But if gays/lesbians want to be married in the Orthodox Church, it simply isn't going to ever happen. US law is one thing, Church doctrine is another.

We Orthodox WOULD say that hating, persecuting or judging anyone is extremely un-Orthodox and un-Christlike, however--and that includes the LGBT community.

Substitute LDS Church for Orthodox Church and I could have written this post.

 

[ZooGirl02]

I voted that its complicated. We Catholics do not accept "gay marriage" or homosexual acts which is homosexual sexual acts. We also do not believe that homosexual couples should be adopting children.

However, we do welcome homosexuals into our churches. A homosexual is free to be Catholic they want to but if they want to be in a state of grace then they need to live a life of chastity. All people, not just homosexuals, are called to a life of chastity.

 

[Rocky S]

I hold the same position as my Catholic sister above here.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Christians *obviously* have done far more harm than good with respect to homosexuality. We have about 2,000 years of repentance and atonement ahead of us.

The thing is, homosexual folks are far more likely to forgive Christians their real sins than Christians are to forgive their imaginary ones.

 

[ZooGirl02]

Christians *obviously* have done far more harm than good with respect to homosexuality. We have about 2,000 years of repentance and atonement ahead of us.

The thing is, homosexual folks are far more likely to forgive Christians their real sins than Christians are to forgive their imaginary ones.

I am not sure what you mean. How have Christians done far more harm than good with respect to homosexuality?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I am not sure what you mean. How have Christians done far more harm than good with respect to homosexuality?

It's troubling that you even need to ask that question.

 

[ZooGirl02]

It's troubling that you even need to ask that question.

Well, I did ask it so would you mind answering it?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Well, I did ask it so would you mind answering it?

The only group of people on earth who can compare with Christians in the hatred of GLBT people are the Muslims. And the only reason why Christians aren't as bad as Muslims is because non-Christians brought Europe out of the Dark Ages and forced Christian countries to separate church and state. So it's not for a lack of hatred that Christians don't kill and eat gay people... It's an accident of history. Christian groups are fighting daily to regain control of the state, but thank God their influence is tempered by the sanity of unbelief.

 

[ZooGirl02]

The only group of people on earth who can compare with Christians in the hatred of GLBT people are the Muslims. And the only reason why Christians aren't as bad as Muslims is because non-Christians brought Europe out of the Dark Ages and forced Christian countries to separate church and state. So it's not for a lack of hatred that Christians don't kill and eat gay people... It's an accident of history. Christian groups are fighting daily to regain control of the state, but thank God their influence is tempered by the sanity of unbelief.

There are some hateful Christians but orthodox Christian theology is not hateful in the least. The reason? Because orthodox Christian theology as taught in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church teaches what it teaches because we love all people, including the LGBT community. The Catholic Church is concerned with the salvation of all people. The Catholic Church teaches the Truth as given to her by Jesus Christ. The Truth given to the Catholic Church by Jesus Christ was given to the Church because Jesus Christ wanted all people to go to Heaven. So, to sum it up, Catholic theology is not hateful in the least. Rather, it is truly loving because it seeks the eternal good of all people rather than just the temporal good of people. However, it also seeks the temporal good of all people.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

There are some hateful Christians but orthodox Christian theology is not hateful in the least. The reason? Because orthodox Christian theology as taught in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church teaches what it teaches because we love all people, including the LGBT community. The Catholic Church is concerned with the salvation of all people. The Catholic Church teaches the Truth as given to her by Jesus Christ. The Truth given to the Catholic Church by Jesus Christ was given to the Church because Jesus Christ wanted all people to go to Heaven. So, to sum it up, Catholic theology is not hateful in the least. Rather, it is truly loving because it seeks the eternal good of all people rather than just the temporal good of people. However, it also seeks the temporal good of all people.

I didn't say that orthodox theology is hateful. It is to our everlasting shame that Christians did not redeem the world with the power of its message. We claimed its healing power only after the world forced us to stop murdering it.

The profound lack of ethics in the church-- from top to bottom -- does not speak to the virtues of its theology, but I would agree that much of the church's theology has been misused, misinterpreted, and abused.

 

[ZooGirl02]

I didn't say that orthodox theology is hateful. It is to our everlasting shame that Christians did not redeem the world with the power of its message. We claimed its healing power only after the world forced us to stop murdering it.

The profound lack of ethics in the church-- from top to bottom -- does not speak to the virtues of its theology, but I would agree that much of the church's theology has been misused, misinterpreted, and abused.

Oh okay. I apologize for misunderstanding you. I must say that I must still be misunderstanding you because I still don't understand the statement you first made which I asked you about. Sorry about that. I'm rather simple minded.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Oh okay. I apologize for misunderstanding you. I must say that I must still be misunderstanding you because I still don't understand the statement you first made which I asked you about. Sorry about that. I'm rather simple minded.

I disagree - I thought you were very insightful both on this thread and elsewhere. I just didn't want you to think that I don't think that there is tremendous value in orthodoxy. The Christian message -- especially the idea that the world is fundamentally flawed and God is at work redeeming it and one day this work will be done...

That is a powerful way of life that Christians often forget.

 

[ZooGirl02]

I disagree - I thought you were very insightful both on this thread and elsewhere. I just didn't want you to think that I don't think that there is tremendous value in orthodoxy. The Christian message -- especially the idea that the world is fundamentally flawed and God is at work redeeming it and one day this work will be done...

That is a powerful way of life that Christians often forget.

Oh okay. Well, thanks for explaining!