liar CNN

[Eynah]

Another one incident that took my trust off CNN

9-11. after the attack on the twin towers, CNN showed footage of celebrations in the middle east - especially palestine and iraq

most of the celebrations aired, werent even palestine - some of it was pakistan and the celebration of the birth anniversary of a Sufi Saint. almost all the footage was shot at different times and did not correspond to the date.

it was a shameful act to say the least.

I don't mean to be rude, but do you have a sourvce for this?

 

[Jaymes]

From Snopes.com:

[font=Bookman Old Style,Arial]Claim: CNN used old footage to fake images of 'Palestinians dancing in the street' after the terrorist attack on the USA. [/font] [font=Bookman Old Style,Arial]
Status: False.

[/font][font=Bookman Old Style,Arial]"No, CNN did not air decade-old footage of Palestinians dancing in the streets. Eason Jordan, CNN's Chief News Executive, confirmed that the video used on CNN was in fact shot on Tuesday, 11 September 2001, in East Jerusalem by a Reuters TV crew, not during the Persian Gulf conflict of 1990-91 — a fact proved by its inclusion of comments from a Palestinian praising Osama Bin Laden (whose name was unlikely to have come up ten years earlier in connection with the invasion and liberation of Kuwait) as well as the appearance in the video of post-1991 automobiles. The person who made the claim quoted above has since recanted."[/font]

 

[Smoke]

I don't like this at all. When a governement has this kind of power over the press, regardless of whether there was a mistake in translation, they undermine the right of the press to report the truth. I don't like CNN, because of what I see as a spin that they put on things sometimes, but I think that ny bowing to the will of this government and giving in so quickly, they have done a diservice to themselves and other news agencies. I would have rather enjoyed them sticking tot heir guns a little bit on this issue.

So, you believe they should NOT have retracted their error or apologized for it? That the freedom of the press means never having to say you're sorry?

 

[anders]

I remember having read that one of the reasons for the US nuking of Japan was that a "perhaps" as a response to a call for surrender was translated as "no".

I'm no expert on Persian, but it seems to me that the words "weapon" and "technology" are easily confused on hearing (but they are written sufficiently different). But from the viewpoint of a professional translator, I'd say that it is extremely important to be aware of such possible confusions, especially when dealing with sensitive matters. Companies employing translators should be aware of this, and hire people with qualifications matching the tasks to be performed (, and pay them accordingly.) There's no excuse for delivering a substadard product.

Regarding footage of people rejoicing in streets, I always and automatically assume that they are cheering the local soccer team.

 

[BUDDY]

So, you believe they should NOT have retracted their error or apologized for it? That the freedom of the press means never having to say you're sorry?

If they were in error, then they acted corrected. It seems to me however that the reaction and subsequent apology, happened too quickly to know whether they actually did something wrong or not. It seems to me that their reaction was that they offended someone, rather than actually having made a mistake. Go back and read their apology, "if we or any of our subsidiaries have offended you", they are more worried about being PC than anything else. Let's face it, sometimes the truth is offensive to people. That doesn't mean you should automatically apologize for it.

 

[BUDDY]

So, you believe they should NOT have retracted their error or apologized for it? That the freedom of the press means never having to say you're sorry?

By the way. How in the world do you pull this conclusion from my previous statement? I could really care less about the validity of the translation. It is about the press bowing down at the first sign of gevernement interference or involvement.

 

[Mathematician]

Because we all know Fox has never made mistakes/swayed viewers with misleading information.

;-)

/sarcasm

 

[BUDDY]

Because we all know Fox has never made mistakes/swayed viewers with misleading information.

;-)

/sarcasm

Fox News is probably the most unbiased television news source in America. Now there commentary shows are another subject, but from a pure reporting standpoint, I think they do a good job. Unless you have evidence to suggest otherwise?

 

[Divine Androgyne]

Is it true that CNN"S pants are really on fire?:biglaugh:

 

[Smoke]

By the way. How in the world do you pull this conclusion from my previous statement? I could really care less about the validity of the translation. It is about the press bowing down at the first sign of gevernement interference or involvement.

You wrote, "I think that ny bowing to the will of this government and giving in so quickly, they have done a diservice to themselves and other news agencies. I would have rather enjoyed them sticking tot heir guns a little bit on this issue." Since what they did was issue an apology and retraction, what do you mean if not that they shouldn't have done so?

 

[Smoke]

Fox News is probably the most unbiased television news source in America. Now there commentary shows are another subject, but from a pure reporting standpoint, I think they do a good job. Unless you have evidence to suggest otherwise?

How about Bush's cousin calling the election for him, for starters?
Do you have any evidence to suggest that the claim is true?

 

[greatcalgarian]

I think it may have been an honest mistake. Really, a person may have mixed up the words.

An honest mistake that hopefully will not be revealed, and hence serve the purpose of western propaganda that Iran is a threat developing nuclear weapon to wipe out Israel. Ya right, an HONEST mistake.:biglaugh:


CNN then later blamed it on a 'new' employer. and apologized.

 

[greatcalgarian]

Liar CNN or is it more like imcompetent CNN?

I prefer CNN to be Liar than to be incompetent.:biglaugh:

 

[greatcalgarian]

Another one incident that took my trust off CNN

9-11. after the attack on the twin towers, CNN showed footage of celebrations in the middle east - especially palestine and iraq

most of the celebrations aired, werent even palestine - some of it was pakistan and the celebration of the birth anniversary of a Sufi Saint. almost all the footage was shot at different times and did not correspond to the date.

it was a shameful act to say the least.

Good point. CNN has special agenda dictated by her financial boss.

 

[greatcalgarian]

From Snopes.com:

[font=Bookman Old Style,Arial]Claim: CNN used old footage to fake images of 'Palestinians dancing in the street' after the terrorist attack on the USA. [/font][font=Bookman Old Style,Arial]
Status: False.

[/font][font=Bookman Old Style,Arial]"No, CNN did not air decade-old footage of Palestinians dancing in the streets. Eason Jordan, CNN's Chief News Executive, confirmed that the video used on CNN was in fact shot on Tuesday, 11 September 2001, in East Jerusalem by a Reuters TV crew, not during the Persian Gulf conflict of 1990-91 — a fact proved by its inclusion of comments from a Palestinian praising Osama Bin Laden (whose name was unlikely to have come up ten years earlier in connection with the invasion and liberation of Kuwait) as well as the appearance in the video of post-1991 automobiles. The person who made the claim quoted above has since recanted."[/font]

Footage may be genuine, but ......read the following:
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/current/cnn.htm

In the case of the pictures last week, CNN had a responsibility – particularly given the extreme gravity of the situation – to provide an exact context for the footage it was showing. The man handing over the piece of pie – why was he smiling? Who was he handing the pie to? The implication was obvious: this Palestinian was so happy about the bombings, he was giving pie away to strangers.

But how do we know that? Assuming it was true, CNN needed, at the bare minimum, to say so explicitly: “Our reporter on the scene observed this man, Saleem X, handing a piece of pie to a stranger for free. X said he was glad America was bombed, and that everything was on the house today.”

But there was nothing. All we were told, by CNN, was that these were pictures of “Palestinians celebrating the attacks.”

 

[greatcalgarian]

This is how CNN worked according to this fellow:

The whole thing reminds me of this scheme I used to use to get free McNuggets at McDonald’s. It worked like this:

You go to McDonald’s with your friend. You convince him to buy a big 20-pack of McNuggets. Then, as soon as he sits down, you send him back up to the front of the restaurant to get napkins, or ketchup, or whatever. While he’s gone, you flip open the McNuggets box and swipe five or six Nuggets. Then you replace the lid on the box. He comes back, opens the box, and thinks he only got fourteen nuggets, when he paid for twenty. “Go complain to the manager,” you say. Thinking he’s really been ripped off, your friend then goes up to the manager and, with all the gall of a wronged person, angrily demands his six McNuggets. His act is usually so believable that he gets what he wants. It works every time – just make sure you don’t tell him until you’re in the car on the way home.

American coverage of the Middle East works the same way. You cover an Arab-Israeli conflict for years, following a certain storyline. Along the way, you lie to your viewers about what’s really happening, setting them up to think that America’s position in the Middle East is reasonable. Then something like the bombing happens, and you show Palestinians dancing in the streets. Americans then, quite naturally, go completely crazy with rage and demand total retaliation. The lie is in the missing McNuggets. If Americans knew that CNN had stolen them before, they wouldn’t be rushing to the manager for justice now.

Probably no single film clip in recent history has had as much of an impact as the Palestine clip. Summing it up one way was Ehud Sprinzak, an Israeli expert on terrorism, who was quoted in Reuters, referring to the clip:

“From the perspective of Jews, it is the most important public relations act ever committed in our favor.”

​

Put it another way: in the 48 hours after the clip ran, Israelis shot and killed 13 Palestinians in the Jenin area of the West Bank.

Thirty seconds was all that took. Forget about anyone ever being reasonable when this is the way our leading journalists work.

http://www.marxists.de/middleast/current/cnn.htm

 

[greatcalgarian]

What if they did report it correctly and all this is to cover up what was really said? I don't know that's what happened... I'm into conspiracy mode this morning.

It is a conspiracy alright, but the other way round.:biglaugh:

 

[Jenne]

Fox News is probably the most unbiased television news source in America. Now there commentary shows are another subject, but from a pure reporting standpoint, I think they do a good job. Unless you have evidence to suggest otherwise?

Uh...you're kidding, right? As in "pulling my leg"? You don't seriously, truly believe this, do you?

Please say you're kidding.

 

[ChrisP]

Fox News is probably the most unbiased television news source in America. Now there commentary shows are another subject, but from a pure reporting standpoint, I think they do a good job. Unless you have evidence to suggest otherwise?

Does my opinion count as fact . The snivelling crap I've seen on that network makes me want to puke.

BBCWorld and Al Jazeera. Less biased reporting you will not find outside the internet.

[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Official: US raid killed al-Zawahiri kin[/font]

Thursday 19 January 2006, 8:42 Makka Time, 5:42 GMT Pa[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]kistani security officials have named an al-Qaida operative on the US most-wanted list and a close relative of the network's No 2 leader Ayman al-Zawahiri as among at least three top operatives suspected killed in a US missile strike last week.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/01B6D86C-47EA-4C71-B6BC-0AFF879085AA.htm


I'd still like to see the body. Trust noone I tell you!


[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Race riots: Plea to scrap Sydney rally[/font][/font]

[font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Australian authorities have urged white supremacists to cancel plans for a rally on Australia Day next week at the Sydney beach where a rampage by a white mob sparked race riots last month. [/font]



http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/01B6D86C-47EA-4C71-B6BC-0AFF879085AA.htm

see that's what we call reporting.[/font]

 

[TashaN]

I'd be curious to hear CNN's side, if they issued an apology or stand behind their story.

They did already and the Iranian government allow them all over again to work in Iran.