Liberal Christians,are they here at Religious forums?

[omega2xx]

It isn't just one poster on RF.
I have known many many people I think would qualify as liberal who consider their beliefs to come from Scripture.
Try googling "Liberation Theology " or Bishop Romero.
Tom

Liberal theology has 3 basic doctrines: The Bible is not all God's word---miracles do not happen---no prophecies have been fulfilled. The Bible teaches just the opposite. They get their theology from not understanding the Bible and from liberal theologians.

 

[metis]

You don't know what a fundamentalist is. Fundamentalism does not even mention science. You have accepted a secular definition that tries to make fundamentalist look ignorant.

Actually it is because it involves sticking one's head in the sand and avoiding reality. Also, the link was not secular in scope ("Christian Fundamentalism").

Believing in the Bible 100% is part of fundamentalism. However there are not conflicting verses. You thinking there are in "The Harmony of the Gospels" points your lack of understanding.

Denying the fact that there are a great many conflicting verses is an example of sticking one's head in the sand, so thanks for proving my point.

I suggest you find a definition from a Christian source. What you read in Wikipedia, was not completely accurate.

What utter hypocrisy as I used the same source you did (Wikipedia).

Trying to have a serious conversation with you is virtually impossible.

 

[Brickjectivity]

You can't learn liberalism from the Bible.

I can learn it from these and others:

1. ...knowledge puffs up but love builds up, and anyone who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. I Cor 8:1-2
   
2. So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 1Cor 8:11
   
3. One who has unreliable friends soon comes to ruin, but there is a friend who sticks closer than a brother. Prov 18:24
   
4. The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit John 3:8
5. How good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity! Psalm 133:1
6. Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!” Mark 9:24
7. But Joseph said to them, “Don’t be afraid. Am I in the place of God? Genesis 50:17
8. Then the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.” Genesis 4:7
9. Then the LORD said to Cain, “Where is your brother Abel?” “I don’t know,” he replied. “Am I my brother’s keeper? Genesis 4:9

 

[metis]

Try googling "Liberation Theology " or Bishop Romero.

A truly great man, imo, and he paid for it with his life.

 

[columbus]

Liberal theology has 3 basic doctrines: The Bible is not all God's word---miracles do not happen---no prophecies have been fulfilled. The Bible teaches just the opposite. They get their theology from not understanding the Bible and from liberal theologians.

Ah.
You don't understand liberal theology any better than fundamentalism.
Got it.
Tom

 

[metis]

Liberal theology has 3 basic doctrines: The Bible is not all God's word

Largely false.

[they believe] miracles do not happen

Largely false-- strike two.

[they believe] no prophecies have been fulfilled.

Largely false-- strike three-- you're out.

The Bible teaches just the opposite. They get their theology from not understanding the Bible and from liberal theologians.

You have never seriously studied theology as the above is not what most "liberal theologians" believe and teach.

 

[pearl]

Father Romero was on the wrong side of John Paul II's condemnation of liberal theology as political. Pope Francis claimed him a martyr, and Romero has been beatified. John Paul felt his theology reflected Marxism.

 

[omega2xx]

Actually it is because it involves sticking one's head in the sand and avoiding reality.

Typical liberal insult.

Also, the link was not secular in scope ("Christian Fundamentalism").

Much of what is posted on wikipedia is not accurate and most of it is secular in scope.

Denying the fact that there are a great many conflicting verses is an example of sticking one's head in the sand, so thanks for proving my point.

My point was they you do not understand the Bible. Now prove your point and post some verses that are contradictory

What utter hypocrisy as I used the same source you did (Wikipedia).

That source said fundamentalism included taking all of the Bible literally. That is wrong.

Trying to have a serious conversation with you is virtually impossible.

Trying to get you to post some contradicting verse is impossible and no virtually about it.

 

[omega2xx]

I can learn it from these and others:

1. ...knowledge puffs up but love builds up, and anyone who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. I Cor 8:1-2
   
2. So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 1Cor 8:11
   
3. One who has unreliable friends soon comes to ruin, but there is a friend who sticks closer than a brother. Prov 18:24
   
4. The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit John 3:8
5. How good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity! Psalm 133:1
6. Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!” Mark 9:24
7. But Joseph said to them, “Don’t be afraid. Am I in the place of God? Genesis 50:17
8. Then the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.” Genesis 4:7
9. Then the LORD said to Cain, “Where is your brother Abel?” “I don’t know,” he replied. “Am I my brother’s keeper? Genesis 4:9

OK. Now explain why they teach liberalism.

 

[omega2xx]

Ah.
You don't understand liberal theology any better than fundamentalism.
Got it.
Tom

Ignorance is bliss.
Got it?

 

[omega2xx]

Largely false.

Largely false-- strike two.

Largely false-- strike three-- you're out.

Are you really saying liberal theology says the Bible is not all God's word, miracles are possible an so is fulfilled prophecies.

Lets see if your head is in the sand

Is the Bible all God's word: Yes____ No____

Are miracles possible: Yes____ No____

Is it possible for prop;hecies to be fulfilled> Yes___ No___

You have never seriously studied theology as the above is not what most "liberal theologians" believe and teach.

If anyone is really interested they need to google "The Jesus Seminar. "

 

[pearl]

Liberal theology has 3 basic doctrines: The Bible is not all God's word---miracles do not happen---no prophecies have been fulfilled. The Bible teaches just the opposite. They get their theology from not understanding the Bible and from liberal theologians.

The Bible is the God inspired human word of God. God does not speak words. Miracles were common, Jesus' miracles were signs of something greater.
I've found its better to follow the middle road, with a centrist, neither liberal nor conservative, who stays within orthodoxy. My favorite is Raymond Brown.

 

[omega2xx]

The Bible is the God inspired human word of God.

It can't be God inspired and human.

God does not speak words.

God speaks to us through His inspired word.
--The heavens are telling of the glory of God(Ps 19:1; without saying a word or without a voice(Ps 19:3).
--Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose(Jas 4:5).

Miracles were common, Jesus' miracles were signs of something greater.

They were evidence that Jesus came from God.

I've found its better to follow the middle road, with a centrist, neither liberal nor conservative, who stays within orthodoxy. My favorite is Raymond Brown.[/QUOTE]

There is no middle ground in what is said. It is either 100% true or 100% false.

 

[metis]

I remember several decades ago reading an excellent book by the Anglican theologian Sir William Barclay, and he wrote that if one actually believes that God wrote the Bible, then they have to accept the subsequent fact that God must be only partially literate since there are many misspellings in the oldest accounts of the N.T., especially the Gospel of John, which he said has over 100 spelling errors in the oldest copy that we have.

 

[pearl]

God speaks to us through His inspired word.

But the word is human.

 

[omega2xx]

But the word is human.

Not according to the Bible. I am surprised a Catholic would say that. Are you a true Catholic or just one in name only? I use to work with an atheist who called himself a Caholic.

 

[pearl]

I remember several decades ago reading an excellent book by the Anglican theologian Sir William Barclay, and he wrote that if one actually believes that God wrote the Bible, then they have to accept the subsequent fact that God must be only partially literate since there are many misspellings in the oldest accounts of the N.T., especially the Gospel of John, which he said has over 100 spelling errors in the oldest copy that we have.

The biblical word is human, time conditioned, and open to limitation and error. The Bible is more a divine communication in human words spoken and written by people who had limited knowledge and narrow world view.
The question of God's 'spoken' word is also found in rabbinic discussions, concerning the 'Ten Words of God', 'Who is speaking' God or Moses? Rabbi Mendel assumes the possibility that the revelation on Mt Sinai a mystical revelation that had to be translated into human language by Moses. By this every statement would become a human interpretation of what transcends it.

 

[pearl]

Not according to the Bible. I am surprised a Catholic would say that. Are you a true Catholic or just one in name only? I use to work with an atheist who called himself a Caholic.

My reference was from 'The Critical Meaning of the Bible'. As far as the Catholicity of it is concerned it carries the Nihil Obstat and the Imprimatur. It is within Catholic orthodoxy.

 

[columbus]

God must be only partially literate since there are many misspellings in the oldest accounts of the N.T., especially the Gospel of John, which he said has over 100 spelling errors in the oldest copy that we have.

Unless, of course, we are talking about an ineffable God beyond human comprehension. Then what appear to be misspellings could be a clear Message to those who truly want to know the Will of Almighty God.
The problem with that sort of god is that S/He could possibly be saying almost anything. Or different things to different people at the same time with the same words.
There is no logic so there is an infinite number of possible meanings.
Tom

 

[metis]

Or different things to different people at the same time with the same words.

Which actually makes sense because different cultures must adapt to different situations within their own environment. This is why I simply cannot accept the concept of there being one god just going to one group of people in just one area of the world at just one time.