Liberal news media was so COMPLETELY wrong about #Brexit so why trust them about Trump?

[Jayhawker Soule]

Interesting graph ...

 

[Mindmaster]

Try The Young Turks website, as liberal as they get. They spend 50% of their time damning Clinton

They spend most of their time weaving strawmen. They hate Hillary because she's not a communist like they are. So they are basically going to hate on anyone that's not Bernie. I never really get the point with them, I usually watch them when I am tired of everyone else.

 

[Mindmaster]

Interesting graph ...

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Scotland was the vote that didn't make sense to me because they are the poorest part of the country nearly. I mean, they are the ones that have taken the EU shaft over and over again. Honestly, it was mostly the poor & middle class that made the #leave vote despite the kilt wearing people.

The EU is like crack, some people are going to think it is going to help, and others are going to know it is an addictive drug that leads to poverty as the EU redistributes your wealth away to shore up some failing economy. EU is just a yoke to slow down anyone moving too fast...​

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Conservative media was miserably wrong about Romney winning the 2012 election, so why should we trust them about Trump?

 

[Underhill]

Hillary Clinton hasn't given a single unscripted bit of video or interview since December. She won't even let people ask her questions. The leaked DNC documents are about how to distract people away from her scandals... How about no scandals in the first place?

Fascism is thrown around all day, so I don't buy it. The only totalitarian is Obama, who effectively has said, "I don't care what the rule of law is, I'm doing what I want." Well, that isn't his job. The changes he's made are not all bad, but they're going to get stricken down just for his perception of being an overlord. As far as the LGBT community, Obama has done nothing but take credit for other people's work. I find it insulting to those people personally. He's done nothing but say a few words so people throw a bit more money at him. That is ALL he's done.

And yes, many people have no loyalty to this country, but not without reason. This country hasn't been loyal to you, sure you get a few cookies to shut you up but has your life drastically improved? That's my argument against Clinton, my sole argument. More of Obama isn't good for the country. Anyway, this is just shifting the posts -- Trump's personal life is his business. He wants to fight with his women, or whatever that's their problem to figure out. I can't find any credible source for backing up your rape claims so it's just rhetoric as usual. When you want to make sense, let me know and we'll have a discussion.

Do you even know what totalitarian means? - autocratic, undemocratic, one-party, dictatorial, tyrannical, despotic, fascist, oppressive, repressive, illiberal

None of those fit Obama. He is one guy, one guy who has been very limited in what he can do by a congress that refuses to work with him. Just in light of that obvious fact, he cannot be totalitarian.

I am curious if you actually have a source for any of the rest of that because it sounds like something someone just pulled out of their rear.

 

[Acim]

It's called "liberal media" when 90% of the poop flinging is toward one candidate despite the fact that a certain woman has about 1000 more scandals to her name. We can play word chop-chop all day, but unbiased... That's just a joke.

Actually, I challenge you to find ANY negative information on Clinton on those sources.

I can tell you this. Arguing with people who think the MSM is moderate and good, professional journalism won't change their opinions (biases). They are self convinced that all media that features more than 3 conservative writers/commentators is 'far right' and only conveying propaganda (24/7). They are literally unable to see own news sources as propaganda or see their commentators as anything but middle of the road. Essentially whatever spectrum you and I are using, dial that 15 notches to the left, and you can then get understanding of how they see news agencies. A news agency that broadcasts the national anthem at 4 in the morning then gets filtered as extremely nationalist, probably fascist. Such an agency ought to know that song is inherently offensive to the illegal immigrants here, who are just trying to make their way in the world.

 

[Orbit]

There is no liberal news media. We have plenty of content analysis studies that show a consistent Republican bias in reporting.

 

[jonathan180iq]

I'd like to recommend everyone give this book a read:

 

[Revoltingest]

I'd like to recommend everyone give this book a read:

Synopsis?

 

[jonathan180iq]

Synopsis?

The common man gets way too caught up in these back-n-forth arguments about "Conversative" vs. "Liberal" bias in the media and they've completely lost touch with the fact that neither truly exist anymore.

There no longer exists a REAL champion for the progressive movement of society towards a more educated and equality based populace. The Democratic party is a joke, and in our two party system anything that's truly liberal gets squashed or absorbed. We've replaced the basis of actual liberalism with a bastardized version of itself, which gives little more than lip service to liberal causes. This is very apparent during election cycles. The fallout of this death of the liberal class is what has allowed things like the Tea Party, Sarah Palins, and Donald Trumps of the world to prominently exist.

I think Bernie vs. Hillary showed that divide among the leftist populations in this country more than any that I can remember - not that I'm an old geezer or anything...

The official synopsis is as follows:
For decades the liberal class was a defense against the worst excesses of power. But the pillars of the liberal class— the press, universities, the labor movement, the Democratic Party, and liberal religious institutions—have collapsed. In its absence, the poor, the working class, and even the middle class no longer have a champion.

In this searing polemic Chris Hedges indicts liberal institutions, including his former employer, the New York Times, who have distorted their basic beliefs in order to support unfettered capitalism, the national security state, globalization, and staggering income inequalities. Hedges argues that the death of the liberal class created a profound vacuum at the heart of American political life. And now speculators, war profiteers, and demagogues— from militias to the Tea Party—are filling the void.
-From Amazon

 

[Revoltingest]

The common man gets way too caught up in these back-n-forth arguments about "Conversative" vs. "Liberal" bias in the media and they've completely lost touch with the fact that neither truly exist anymore.

There no longer exists a REAL champion for the progressive movement of society towards a more educated and equality based populace. The Democratic party is a joke, and in our two party system anything that's truly liberal gets squashed or absorbed. We've replaced the basis of actual liberalism with a bastardized version of itself, which gives little more than lip service to liberal causes. This is very apparent during election cycles. The fallout of this death of the liberal class is what has allowed things like the Tea Party, Sarah Palins, and Donald Trumps of the world to prominently exist.

I think Bernie vs. Hillary showed that divide among the leftist populations in this country more than any that I can remember - not that I'm an old geezer or anything...

The official synopsis is as follows:
For decades the liberal class was a defense against the worst excesses of power. But the pillars of the liberal class— the press, universities, the labor movement, the Democratic Party, and liberal religious institutions—have collapsed. In its absence, the poor, the working class, and even the middle class no longer have a champion.

In this searing polemic Chris Hedges indicts liberal institutions, including his former employer, the New York Times, who have distorted their basic beliefs in order to support unfettered capitalism, the national security state, globalization, and staggering income inequalities. Hedges argues that the death of the liberal class created a profound vacuum at the heart of American political life. And now speculators, war profiteers, and demagogues— from militias to the Tea Party—are filling the void.
-From Amazon

Thanx, but I think I'll pass on it.
(Tis a view I already often hear.)
But I do see merit in his disdain, even if it differs somewhat from my perspective.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Thanx, but I think I'll pass on it.
(Tis a view I already often hear.)
But I do see merit in his disdain, even if it differs somewhat from my perspective.

It's not for everyone - but from an idealistic standpoint of some progressives, it certainly resonates. I really enjoyed it.
I also think it speaks volumes about the Conservative movement in this country, and I don't mean that negatively as some might assume. The flaws highlighted by the book about liberals are equally pertinent to the logical conservative.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's not for everyone - but from an idealistic standpoint of some progressives, it certainly resonates. I really enjoyed it.
I also think it speaks volumes about the Conservative movement in this country, and I don't mean that negatively as some might assume. The flaws highlighted by the book about liberals are equally pertinent to the logical conservative.

I find that conservatives each have something to offer me....& something to repel me.

 

[Underhill]

The common man gets way too caught up in these back-n-forth arguments about "Conversative" vs. "Liberal" bias in the media and they've completely lost touch with the fact that neither truly exist anymore.

There no longer exists a REAL champion for the progressive movement of society towards a more educated and equality based populace. The Democratic party is a joke, and in our two party system anything that's truly liberal gets squashed or absorbed. We've replaced the basis of actual liberalism with a bastardized version of itself, which gives little more than lip service to liberal causes. This is very apparent during election cycles. The fallout of this death of the liberal class is what has allowed things like the Tea Party, Sarah Palins, and Donald Trumps of the world to prominently exist.

I think Bernie vs. Hillary showed that divide among the leftist populations in this country more than any that I can remember - not that I'm an old geezer or anything...

The official synopsis is as follows:
For decades the liberal class was a defense against the worst excesses of power. But the pillars of the liberal class— the press, universities, the labor movement, the Democratic Party, and liberal religious institutions—have collapsed. In its absence, the poor, the working class, and even the middle class no longer have a champion.

In this searing polemic Chris Hedges indicts liberal institutions, including his former employer, the New York Times, who have distorted their basic beliefs in order to support unfettered capitalism, the national security state, globalization, and staggering income inequalities. Hedges argues that the death of the liberal class created a profound vacuum at the heart of American political life. And now speculators, war profiteers, and demagogues— from militias to the Tea Party—are filling the void.
-From Amazon

He's right, but then it isn't just a liberal thing. Aside from the social issues out there, the entire countries political arena has moved to the right dramatically. I think this has been happening largely under cover of social liberalism. In other words, we've been so focused on abortion, gay marriage and now transgender issues that the issues more important to the mainstream have been pulled to the right in a big way.

I've come to the conclusion that this is not accidental. Trump and Bernie have thrown a wrench in the works, but setting them aside, every election going back as far as I can remember have had these issues come up at just the right time to take the focus off economic and social program policy. Back in Clinton and Reagan's day it was all about abortion and a woman's right to choose, then it was gay marriage. And now, in time for this round, we've got the LGBT bathroom thing which fortunately (sort of) has been derailed by Trump and Bernie.

Nobody even talks about these issues until about a year before the election and all of a sudden they become pivotal key issues that the media spends hundreds of hours heating up like a blacksmith with his bellows. Meanwhile nobody talks about the fact that Republicans want to tear apart social foundations of our society. Or that we spend way more than we need to on a bloated and wasteful military. Or that we spend way more than necessary on the unnecessary nonsense in schools (sports, and building programs) and still don't spend enough on teachers and textbooks.

These things affect virtually the entire country in one way or another and yet the talk around the water cooler is about who is using the bathroom. *boggle

 

[jonathan180iq]

He's right, but then it isn't just a liberal thing. Aside from the social issues out there, the entire countries political arena has moved to the right dramatically. I think this has been happening largely under cover of social liberalism. In other words, we've been so focused on abortion, gay marriage and now transgender issues that the issues more important to the mainstream have been pulled to the right in a big way.

I've come to the conclusion that this is not accidental. Trump and Bernie have thrown a wrench in the works, but setting them aside, every election going back as far as I can remember have had these issues come up at just the right time to take the focus off economic and social program policy. Back in Clinton and Reagan's day it was all about abortion and a woman's right to choose, then it was gay marriage. And now, in time for this round, we've got the LGBT bathroom thing which fortunately (sort of) has been derailed by Trump and Bernie.

Nobody even talks about these issues until about a year before the election and all of a sudden they become pivotal key issues that the media spends hundreds of hours heating up like a blacksmith with his bellows. Meanwhile nobody talks about the fact that Republicans want to tear apart social foundations of our society. Or that we spend way more than we need to on a bloated and wasteful military. Or that we spend way more than necessary on the unnecessary nonsense in schools (sports, and building programs) and still don't spend enough on teachers and textbooks.

These things affect virtually the entire country in one way or another and yet the talk around the water cooler is about who is using the bathroom. *boggle

I'll agree to a certain extent - the idea is that those issues, and how they are dealt with, come under the guise of being great victories for Liberal causes. But, ultimately, they do nothing to stamp out the greater injustices that face society as a whole. The most unfortunate thing about it all, in my humble opinion, is that administering equal rights to all people (particularly with the gay marriage thing) is trumpeted as a great moment for our nation when it's really just a drop in the bucket. The greatest nation on Earth was the last to the party with getting that one right... And that's how it's been going for decades. We pat ourselves on the back because it took us until 2008 to get a President who openly supported marriage equality. That should appall us - not make us proud.

Where was the support for equality before it was popular? Where was the commitment to the right thing before it became politically beneficial. Where was the true liberal focus?

 

[Lyndon]

I can't remember how long its been where I've heard any Presidential candidate focus on what they were going to help the poor, the bottom of this stupid ladder, its all about middle class this, middle class that, while what they're really thinking is what can I do to make rich people more likely to donate to my campaign. I think we now have more poor people in America than middle class, who's going to fight for them, even Bernie didn't bother to come up with any proposals to help the poor. Minimum wage sounds like it helps the working poor, but in actuality it causes so much inflation, that the poor aren't really any better off. Underhill is right, fringe issues like gay marriage, abortion rights are good ideas but they are not the most pressing concerns facing the poorest Americans.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Interesting graph ...

The article is titled "Why People Who Wanted Brexit will Regret it the Most" but it could just as easily have been titled "Why those who interacted most with the EU most wanted to leave it".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There is no liberal news media. We have plenty of content analysis studies that show a consistent Republican bias in reporting.

It depends on what you're watching. Somethings have a Republican or Conservative bias, while some have a Democrat or Liberal bias. Some will admit it, some will deny it.

 

[tytlyf]

It depends on what you're watching. Somethings have a Republican or Conservative bias, while some have a Democrat or Liberal bias. Some will admit it, some will deny it.

Bias is one thing, outright lies is a whole different ballgame. Turn on any RW outlet, all you'll hear is disinformation. propaganda, lies and deceit. Not to mention they intentionally scare their audience with the hopes they don't vote democratic. Most media doesn't do those things, but it's a trademark of every conservative outlet.

 

[Underhill]

I'll agree to a certain extent - the idea is that those issues, and how they are dealt with, come under the guise of being great victories for Liberal causes. But, ultimately, they do nothing to stamp out the greater injustices that face society as a whole. The most unfortunate thing about it all, in my humble opinion, is that administering equal rights to all people (particularly with the gay marriage thing) is trumpeted as a great moment for our nation when it's really just a drop in the bucket. The greatest nation on Earth was the last to the party with getting that one right... And that's how it's been going for decades. We pat ourselves on the back because it took us until 2008 to get a President who openly supported marriage equality. That should appall us - not make us proud.

Where was the support for equality before it was popular? Where was the commitment to the right thing before it became politically beneficial. Where was the true liberal focus?

It was out there. Like this current bathroom mess, a large chunk of the country was okay with people using whatever bathroom they were comfortable with, until it became this populace cause. Then it becomes about my little girl and their rights because those are the talking points.

I don't know that it's some massive conspiracy, but I think the media looks for these kinds of issues because they are easy to cover and get people riled up. Debating the old issues like health care and global warming for the four hundredth time will not get people excited and will not draw in viewers/listeners/readers.