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Life after death is impossible

PureX

Veteran Member
I've been trying to understand your point of view, and I think I sort of get it.

What you might be overlooking, is the principle that can be summed up by noting that things tend to go on as they have before. In the physical world an action, if accurately repeated tends to give the same result. An object in motion continues to move unless acted on by some external force. Just two examples but I hope sufficient to make the point. Even when exceptions are known, we apply this to our everyday lives. We know that car brakes sometimes fail, but we still press the bake pedal when we want to slow down, relying on our experience that it works most of the time.

OK, now let's apply this to survival after death. We observe that physical death is final in all cases that we observe. It's not so easy to observe the lack of spirits, and there is evidence presented that if verified would support survival, but one would think that with all the people desperately hoping that their deceased relatives have survived, lots of testable evidence would have arisen. (To me this is the worst example, because I do think there is enough evidence of a subjective nature to allow a reasonable possibility).
The problem here is that since the dawn of recorded humanity, humans have observed that when something living, dies, that some immaterial aspect of that life form that was clearly present, goes away. And is no longer present. And the question has always remained, where did this “spirit”, life force, essence, or whatever it was, and whatever we want to call it, go? We have seen with our own eyes that an ‘essence of being‘ was present, and then it was no longer present. And because we instinctively understood that something cannot just become nothing, we have long wondered what becomes of this essence of being when it no longer inhabits a physical body?

You and others claim that all that was ever here was the physical body. But humans from the very beginning until now have universally recognized that this was not so. And they recognized it especially upon the moment of death, when that mysterious essence leaves the body Exactly as it had always been, and yet it is now completely changed. As the force that had animated it is gone.

But gone where? To exist how?

That is the evidence of the “afterlife”. Not some ignorant assumption that a live body and a dead body are equivalent because we can’t physically identify or quantify the mysterious thing that makes up the difference.
I won't go on in detail, because I'm just after a general approach. My point is that previous experience (or the lack thereof) is a perfectly reasonable way to predict future events. Why? Because it works most of the time, and that's about all we can hope for in a very complicated world. I'll agree that built into this should be a readiness to consider contradictory evidence, which covers your demand for an open mind, I think.

I really don't see how we don't agree on this. Most of what you say is what I am saying, then you veer off to claim something different.

I'll just wait for you to tell me I'm wrong again, then move on.
Until you’ve died, at least once, I see no “previous experience” from which you can formulate your assessment of probability.
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
You and others claim that all that was ever here was the physical body. But humans from the very beginning until now have universally recognized that this was not so. And they recognized it especially upon the moment of death, when that mysterious essence leaves the body Exactly as it had always been, and yet it is now completely changed. As the force that had animated it is gone.

One more response.

I heard that one from a teacher when I was a teenager, and my response then was, and still is, if a car is broken in some way that stops it performing its function of moving, we don't say that some mysterious "force" has left it. We just recognize that it doesn't work any more. So why should a human body be any different?

If you are going to say that the human body is different from the car in some qualitative way, you will have to support it.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
One more response.

I heard that one from a teacher when I was a teenager, and my response then was, and still is, if a car is broken in some way that stops it performing its function of moving, we don't say that some mysterious "force" has left it. We just recognize that it doesn't work any more. So why should a human body be any different?
You just made my case for me. The machine never had any mysterious force or essence within it that left it when the mechanisms stopped functioning. It didn't die because it was never alive. But life forms develop into more than just the bio-mechanisms that animate them. And we all see this, especially when death occurs. We know that the body left behind was not the sum total of the life form. We know that there was something more manifesting within it that is no longer there. People that have witnessed death regularly can tell when a person is dead without even checking for the cessation of bio-mechanics. They can tell from a distance, even. They can sense that the essence that we call life has left the body. In fact, we can even keep the body functioning with machines and still it will not really be alive. Because that essence has gone from it.

These are observation made all over the world throughout all times and cultures. And always the same questions remained: where did this "essence" go? What is it "made of"? Is it still intact and extant in some way? Because we all know it is far more than just bio-mechanical animation.
If you are going to say that the human body is different from the car in some qualitative way, you will have to support it.
If you are gong to try and claim it's not, you are going to have to support it. Because virtually all of humanity recognizes the difference.
 
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