As you are a Christian, and you believe in Christ, then you need only look to Christ for affirmation of existence beyond this physical life. In fact his whole life was one of example, an example at least of a nice way to live your life in order, he said, to finally go to heaven, a realm not of this earth, after death. So Christ himself implied that physical death is not the end of your existence at all.
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Life After Death...
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arcanum
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If you've ever had a real spiritual experience,afterwards you know that you are more than mere physical matter.why it's an elusive mystery while in the flesh I have no idea.But once you taste it,such as having an out of body experience your perspective will broaden and you will come to believe some part of us survives after death.
BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
Hi! 
Here are some quotes from the Baha'i scriptures (and a related source) that I hope you'll find helpful:
"Bahá'u'lláh and &'Abdu'l-Bahá regard the descriptions of Heaven and Hell given in some of the older religious writings as symbolic, like the Biblical story of the Creation, and not as literally true. According to Them, Heaven is the state of perfection, and Hell that of imperfection; Heaven is harmony with God's will and with our fellows, and Hell is the want of such harmony; Heaven is the condition of spiritual life, and Hell that of spiritual death. A man may be either in Heaven or in Hell while still in the body. The joys of Heaven are spiritual joys; and the pains of Hell consist in the deprivation of these joys."
―Baha'u'llah and the New Era pp. 190-1
"When they [men] are delivered through the light of faith from the darkness of these vices, and become illuminated with the radiance of the sun of reality, and ennobled with all the virtues, they esteem this the greatest reward, and they know it to be the true paradise. In the same way they consider that the spiritual punishment ... is to be subjected to the world of nature, to be veiled from God, to be brutal and ignorant, to fall into carnal lusts, to be absorbed in animal frailties, to be characterized with dark qualities ... these are the greatest punishments and tortures....
"...The rewards of the other world are the perfections and the peace obtained in the spiritual worlds after leaving this world ... the spiritual graces, the various spiritual gifts in the Kingdom of God, the gaining of the desires of the heart and the soul, and the meeting of God in the world of eternity. In the same way the punishments of the other world ... consist in being deprived of the special divine blessings and the absolute bounties, and falling into the lowest degrees of existence. He who is deprived of these divine favours, although he continues after death, is considered as dead by the people of truth.
"The wealth of the other world is nearness to God. Consequently it is certain that those who are near the Divine Court are allowed to intercede, and this intercession is approved by God....
"It is even possible that the condition of those who have died in sin and unbelief may become changed; that is to say, they may become the object of pardon through the bounty of God, not through His justice; for bounty is giving without desert, and justice is giving what is deserved. As we have the power to pray for these souls here, so likewise we shall possess the same power in the other world, which is the Kingdom of God.... Therefore in that world also they can make progress. As here they can receive light by their supplications, there also they can plead for forgiveness, and receive light through entreaties and supplications.
"Both before and after putting off this material form, there is progress in perfection, but not in state.... There is no other being higher than a perfect man. But man when he has reached this state can still make progress in perfections but not in state, because there is no state higher than that of a perfect man to which he can transfer himself. He only progresses in the state of humanity, for the human perfections are infinite. Thus however learned a man may be, we can imagine one more learned.
"Hence, as the perfections of humanity are endless, man can also make progress in perfections after leaving this world."
―Some Answered Questions, pp. 260-274 passim.
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Here are some quotes from the Baha'i scriptures (and a related source) that I hope you'll find helpful:
"Bahá'u'lláh and &'Abdu'l-Bahá regard the descriptions of Heaven and Hell given in some of the older religious writings as symbolic, like the Biblical story of the Creation, and not as literally true. According to Them, Heaven is the state of perfection, and Hell that of imperfection; Heaven is harmony with God's will and with our fellows, and Hell is the want of such harmony; Heaven is the condition of spiritual life, and Hell that of spiritual death. A man may be either in Heaven or in Hell while still in the body. The joys of Heaven are spiritual joys; and the pains of Hell consist in the deprivation of these joys."
―Baha'u'llah and the New Era pp. 190-1
"When they [men] are delivered through the light of faith from the darkness of these vices, and become illuminated with the radiance of the sun of reality, and ennobled with all the virtues, they esteem this the greatest reward, and they know it to be the true paradise. In the same way they consider that the spiritual punishment ... is to be subjected to the world of nature, to be veiled from God, to be brutal and ignorant, to fall into carnal lusts, to be absorbed in animal frailties, to be characterized with dark qualities ... these are the greatest punishments and tortures....
"...The rewards of the other world are the perfections and the peace obtained in the spiritual worlds after leaving this world ... the spiritual graces, the various spiritual gifts in the Kingdom of God, the gaining of the desires of the heart and the soul, and the meeting of God in the world of eternity. In the same way the punishments of the other world ... consist in being deprived of the special divine blessings and the absolute bounties, and falling into the lowest degrees of existence. He who is deprived of these divine favours, although he continues after death, is considered as dead by the people of truth.
"The wealth of the other world is nearness to God. Consequently it is certain that those who are near the Divine Court are allowed to intercede, and this intercession is approved by God....
"It is even possible that the condition of those who have died in sin and unbelief may become changed; that is to say, they may become the object of pardon through the bounty of God, not through His justice; for bounty is giving without desert, and justice is giving what is deserved. As we have the power to pray for these souls here, so likewise we shall possess the same power in the other world, which is the Kingdom of God.... Therefore in that world also they can make progress. As here they can receive light by their supplications, there also they can plead for forgiveness, and receive light through entreaties and supplications.
"Both before and after putting off this material form, there is progress in perfection, but not in state.... There is no other being higher than a perfect man. But man when he has reached this state can still make progress in perfections but not in state, because there is no state higher than that of a perfect man to which he can transfer himself. He only progresses in the state of humanity, for the human perfections are infinite. Thus however learned a man may be, we can imagine one more learned.
"Hence, as the perfections of humanity are endless, man can also make progress in perfections after leaving this world."
―Some Answered Questions, pp. 260-274 passim.
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BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
[continues]
Thou hast asked Me whether man, as apart from the Prophets of God and His chosen ones, will retain, after his physical death, the self-same individuality, personality, consciousness, and understanding that characterize his life in this world. If this should be the case, how is it, thou hast observed, that whereas such slight injuries to his mental faculties as fainting and severe illness deprive him of his understanding and consciousness, his death, which must involve the decomposition of his body and the dissolution of its elements, is powerless to destroy that understanding and extinguish that consciousness? How can any one imagine that man's consciousness and personality will be maintained, when the very instruments necessary to their existence and function will have completely disintegrated?
Know thou that the soul of man is exalted above, and is independent of all infirmities of body or mind. That a sick person showeth signs of weakness is due to the hindrances that interpose themselves between his soul and his body, for the soul itself remaineth unaffected by any bodily ailments. Consider the light of the lamp. Though an external object may interfere with its radiance, the light itself continueth to shine with undiminished power. In like manner, every malady afflicting the body of man is an impediment that preventeth the soul from manifesting its inherent might and power. When it leaveth the body, however, it will evince such ascendancy, and reveal such influence as no force on earth can equal. Every pure, every refined and sanctified soul will be endowed with tremendous power, and shall rejoice with exceeding gladness.
-- (Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, pp. 153-154)
And now concerning thy question whether human souls continue to be conscious one of another after their separation from the body. Know thou that the souls of the people of Baha, who have entered and been established within the Crimson Ark, shall associate and commune intimately one with another, and shall be so closely associated in their lives, their aspirations, their aims and strivings as to be even as one soul. They are indeed the ones who are well-informed, who are keen-sighted, and who are endued with understanding. Thus hath it been decreed by Him Who is the All-Knowing, the All-Wise.
The people of Baha, who are the inmates of the Ark of God, are, one and all, well aware of one another's state and condition, and are united in the bonds of intimacy and fellowship. Such a state, however, must depend upon their faith and their conduct. They that are of the same grade and station are fully aware of one another's capacity, character, accomplishments and merits. They that are of a lower grade, however, are incapable of comprehending adequately the station, or of estimating the merits, of those that rank above them. Each shall receive his share from thy Lord. Blessed is the man that hath turned his face towards God, and walked steadfastly in His love, until his soul hath winged its flight unto God, the Sovereign Lord of all, the Most Powerful, the Ever-Forgiving, the All-Merciful.
The souls of the infidels, however, shall -- and to this I bear witness -- when breathing their last be made aware of the good things that have escaped them, and shall bemoan their plight, and shall humble themselves before God. They shall continue doing so after the separation of their souls from their bodies.
It is clear and evident that all men shall, after their physical death, estimate the worth of their deeds, and realize all that their hands have wrought.
-- (Baha'u'llah, Ibid., pp. 169-171)
And now concerning thy question regarding the soul of man and its survival after death. Know thou of a truth that the soul, after its separation from the body, will continue to progress until it attaineth the presence of God, in a state and condition which neither the revolution of ages and centuries, nor the changes and chances of this world, can alter. It will endure as long as the Kingdom of God, His sovereignty, His dominion and power will endure. It will manifest the signs of God and His attributes, and will reveal His loving kindness and bounty. The movement of My Pen is stilled when it attempteth to befittingly describe the loftiness and glory of so exalted a station. The honor with which the Hand of Mercy will invest the soul is such as no tongue can adequately reveal, nor any other earthly agency describe. Blessed is the soul which, at the hour of its separation from the body, is sanctified from the vain imaginings of the peoples of the world. Such a soul liveth and moveth in accordance with the Will of its Creator, and entereth the all-highest Paradise. The Maids of Heaven, inmates of the loftiest mansions, will circle around it, and the Prophets of God and His chosen ones will seek its companionship. With them that soul will freely converse, and will recount unto them that which it hath been made to endure in the path of God, the Lord of all worlds. If any man be told that which hath been ordained for such a soul in the worlds of God, the Lord of the throne on high and of earth below, his whole being will instantly blaze out in his great longing to attain that most exalted, that sanctified and resplendent station.... The nature of the soul after death can never be described, nor is it meet and permissible to reveal its whole character to the eyes of men. The Prophets and Messengers of God have been sent down for the sole purpose of guiding mankind to the straight Path of Truth. The purpose underlying Their revelation hath been to educate all men, that they may, at the hour of death, ascend, in the utmost purity and sanctity and with absolute detachment, to the throne of the Most High.
-- (Baha'u'llah, Ibid., pp. 155-157)
Best regards,
Bruce
Thou hast asked Me whether man, as apart from the Prophets of God and His chosen ones, will retain, after his physical death, the self-same individuality, personality, consciousness, and understanding that characterize his life in this world. If this should be the case, how is it, thou hast observed, that whereas such slight injuries to his mental faculties as fainting and severe illness deprive him of his understanding and consciousness, his death, which must involve the decomposition of his body and the dissolution of its elements, is powerless to destroy that understanding and extinguish that consciousness? How can any one imagine that man's consciousness and personality will be maintained, when the very instruments necessary to their existence and function will have completely disintegrated?
Know thou that the soul of man is exalted above, and is independent of all infirmities of body or mind. That a sick person showeth signs of weakness is due to the hindrances that interpose themselves between his soul and his body, for the soul itself remaineth unaffected by any bodily ailments. Consider the light of the lamp. Though an external object may interfere with its radiance, the light itself continueth to shine with undiminished power. In like manner, every malady afflicting the body of man is an impediment that preventeth the soul from manifesting its inherent might and power. When it leaveth the body, however, it will evince such ascendancy, and reveal such influence as no force on earth can equal. Every pure, every refined and sanctified soul will be endowed with tremendous power, and shall rejoice with exceeding gladness.
-- (Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, pp. 153-154)
And now concerning thy question whether human souls continue to be conscious one of another after their separation from the body. Know thou that the souls of the people of Baha, who have entered and been established within the Crimson Ark, shall associate and commune intimately one with another, and shall be so closely associated in their lives, their aspirations, their aims and strivings as to be even as one soul. They are indeed the ones who are well-informed, who are keen-sighted, and who are endued with understanding. Thus hath it been decreed by Him Who is the All-Knowing, the All-Wise.
The people of Baha, who are the inmates of the Ark of God, are, one and all, well aware of one another's state and condition, and are united in the bonds of intimacy and fellowship. Such a state, however, must depend upon their faith and their conduct. They that are of the same grade and station are fully aware of one another's capacity, character, accomplishments and merits. They that are of a lower grade, however, are incapable of comprehending adequately the station, or of estimating the merits, of those that rank above them. Each shall receive his share from thy Lord. Blessed is the man that hath turned his face towards God, and walked steadfastly in His love, until his soul hath winged its flight unto God, the Sovereign Lord of all, the Most Powerful, the Ever-Forgiving, the All-Merciful.
The souls of the infidels, however, shall -- and to this I bear witness -- when breathing their last be made aware of the good things that have escaped them, and shall bemoan their plight, and shall humble themselves before God. They shall continue doing so after the separation of their souls from their bodies.
It is clear and evident that all men shall, after their physical death, estimate the worth of their deeds, and realize all that their hands have wrought.
-- (Baha'u'llah, Ibid., pp. 169-171)
And now concerning thy question regarding the soul of man and its survival after death. Know thou of a truth that the soul, after its separation from the body, will continue to progress until it attaineth the presence of God, in a state and condition which neither the revolution of ages and centuries, nor the changes and chances of this world, can alter. It will endure as long as the Kingdom of God, His sovereignty, His dominion and power will endure. It will manifest the signs of God and His attributes, and will reveal His loving kindness and bounty. The movement of My Pen is stilled when it attempteth to befittingly describe the loftiness and glory of so exalted a station. The honor with which the Hand of Mercy will invest the soul is such as no tongue can adequately reveal, nor any other earthly agency describe. Blessed is the soul which, at the hour of its separation from the body, is sanctified from the vain imaginings of the peoples of the world. Such a soul liveth and moveth in accordance with the Will of its Creator, and entereth the all-highest Paradise. The Maids of Heaven, inmates of the loftiest mansions, will circle around it, and the Prophets of God and His chosen ones will seek its companionship. With them that soul will freely converse, and will recount unto them that which it hath been made to endure in the path of God, the Lord of all worlds. If any man be told that which hath been ordained for such a soul in the worlds of God, the Lord of the throne on high and of earth below, his whole being will instantly blaze out in his great longing to attain that most exalted, that sanctified and resplendent station.... The nature of the soul after death can never be described, nor is it meet and permissible to reveal its whole character to the eyes of men. The Prophets and Messengers of God have been sent down for the sole purpose of guiding mankind to the straight Path of Truth. The purpose underlying Their revelation hath been to educate all men, that they may, at the hour of death, ascend, in the utmost purity and sanctity and with absolute detachment, to the throne of the Most High.
-- (Baha'u'llah, Ibid., pp. 155-157)
Best regards,
Bruce
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Well, ultimately we do not know. It is possible that when we die, what happens to us is something that no one has ever thought of. It might be that after we die, we end up in another universe, stuck on a planet of a massive size where all people who have lived live again for eternity. It might be possible that we have to "earn" our souls, and when we die our energy becomes one with the universe and those who have a "soul" are able to retain a form of consciousness.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
It may be possible that there is no actual "life" or "death" the way we see it...there is merely existence...energy changing forms. Life and death may be but illusions brought on by our own perceptions/awareness of that ever-changing universal energy that we are all part of. If there is no "life", only energy changing forms, then there is no "death". Existence continues as it were...as energy...with consiousness/awareness. The "spirit" within all things, all of existence having that consciousness...the animating factor or principal by which even atoms are vibrational, by which even energy itself exists.
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Herr Heinrich
Student of Mythology
We will never cease to exist in some way. Even if there is no afterlife we still exist. The matter and energy that are us go on to become something else. I personally take great comfort in the fact that I might get to be a tree when I die. I will become the plants and the animals after that. Existence does not end with death. It is a continuous process.
Silver
Just maybe
Perhaps in 3 trillion years scientists will have designed and perfected the afterlife,
and using time travel they will return to the hour of your death,
and 1 nanosecond before your death they will transfer your consciousness....
to a new body in the perfected afterlife realm.
So you will live for eternity.
Perhaps.
Silver
edit: Time travel seems to be the key,
and avoiding doomsday senarios like asteroid strikes or nearby supernovas, etc.
and using time travel they will return to the hour of your death,
and 1 nanosecond before your death they will transfer your consciousness....
to a new body in the perfected afterlife realm.
So you will live for eternity.
Perhaps.
Silver
edit: Time travel seems to be the key,
and avoiding doomsday senarios like asteroid strikes or nearby supernovas, etc.
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I think this is just a matter of perspective. Personally, I like to think of non-existance as peaceful. I don't think there would be anything bad about it at all.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
We will always exist in some way, shape, or form...that is a matter of scientific fact. It is just a matter of what shape, what form...
ManTimeForgot
Temporally Challenged
Encouragement is not what you need. Self-reflection and understanding of your goals is what you need.
Life requires life in order to continue... This is true of all things. Even producers require dead life forms for nutrients and soil bacteria to break down those dead things. In the final analysis death is a scientific necessity. This is probably not very comforting though.
Philosophically speaking: Are you sure that you come to an end when you die? You have no lasting legacy, no family or friends to carry on your memory and influence? What have you accomplished? What do you value about how you live? Dying is easy; it just happens. The hard part is figuring out how best to live... (Something I think modern philosophy has forgotten)
Spiritually speaking: If you must die in order to fulfill whatever purpose is mandated for your existence, then surely death (when it is appropriate for you to die) should be welcomed? Those who seek death for its own sake firm in the belief that they will be rewarded are surely evil and deluded. But for someone like yourself who is firm in her belief in God, then surely being "welcomed back" into the presence or wholeness that is God is a good thing?
However, it is that you reconcile your fear I wish you good luck in ultimately finding out how to do that.
MTF
Life requires life in order to continue... This is true of all things. Even producers require dead life forms for nutrients and soil bacteria to break down those dead things. In the final analysis death is a scientific necessity. This is probably not very comforting though.
Philosophically speaking: Are you sure that you come to an end when you die? You have no lasting legacy, no family or friends to carry on your memory and influence? What have you accomplished? What do you value about how you live? Dying is easy; it just happens. The hard part is figuring out how best to live... (Something I think modern philosophy has forgotten)
Spiritually speaking: If you must die in order to fulfill whatever purpose is mandated for your existence, then surely death (when it is appropriate for you to die) should be welcomed? Those who seek death for its own sake firm in the belief that they will be rewarded are surely evil and deluded. But for someone like yourself who is firm in her belief in God, then surely being "welcomed back" into the presence or wholeness that is God is a good thing?
However, it is that you reconcile your fear I wish you good luck in ultimately finding out how to do that.
MTF
jaareshiah
Member
Who wants a computer that is just a heap of non-functional materials because it is separated into its various components ? Or of a car that is just a bunch of body parts, with the engine and drivetrain scattered across the yard ? Is it any different with us, to once be alive, and then, upon death, return to the same state of non-existence we were before our conception ? Once a person is alive, who really wants to die ? If confronted with death, perhaps at the hand of a gunman, are we not thinking of ways that we can remove ourselves from danger ? Do we not cry out for help ?
Once alive, we wish for life for ourselves to continue, even at great cost, such as needing expensive surgery or medical care that will facilitate our returning to good health. We often take medication to lower our blood pressure, or insulin to lower our blood sugar, to hopefully ward off health problems. When it really comes down to it, we want to live. Life is not a joke, except for a few who have little appreciation for it.
Ecclesiastes 7:2 says that "better is it to go to the house of mourning than to the banquet house (never serious about life and its meaning), because that is the end of all mankind (at death); and the one alive should take it to heart." Solomon, who was inspired to write the book of Ecclesiastes further wrote that "better is vexation than laughter, for by the crossness of the face the heart becomes better. The heart of the wise ones is in the house of mourning, but the heart of the stupid ones is in the house of rejoicing."(Ecc 7:3,4)
Our Creator, Jehovah God, made us to enjoy life and that is why he has purposed to restore the earth to a paradise, whereby he "will actually swallow up death forever, and the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will certainly wipe the tears from all faces."(Isa 25:8) God has the will and the power to fully accomplish this, in which when the earth is a paradise, as was originally in the Garden of Eden, there will be forever an "abundance of peace."(Ps 37:11)
Where are the dead?
Gen. 3:19 - "In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground,
for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return."
Eccl.9:10 - "All that your hand finds to to, do it with your very power, for there is no
work, nor devising, nor knowledge or wisdom in Sheol (the grave) the place to which
you are going."
This scriptures tell us that when a person die, he's in a "sleeping condition," without any
conscious mind. He's body will return to dust....until it's time for a resurrection.
John.5:28,29 - "Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in
the memorial tombs will hear his voice(of Jesus) and come out."
Acts.24:15 - " I have hope toward God...that there is going to be a resurrection of both
the righteous and the unrighteous." ( Both those who lived in harmony with God's righteous
ways and people who, out of ignorance, did unrighteous things, will be resurrected.
We can be assured that God, who knows ALL the facts, will act impartially, with justice
tempered by mercy that does not ignore his righteous standards.
After this resurrection, righteous people will have the possibility to live forever on a paradise
earth, while some of them will inherrit a heavenly life as kings and priest (together with God
and Jesus.) They will act as righteous rulers over the "new" earth's society....
Psalms. 37:11 - "But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, and they will indeed
find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace."
Revelation. 21:4 - "And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more,
neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.
I hope this information has helped you to understand what happen when a person die...? As you
can see, there is no need to be scared about those who are dead, B/z the Bible show that those who are dead are "sleeping" with NO
thoughts or memories in their mind ( and NO pain) - until the resurrection.
God is LOVE and he have promised to take us back to the condition the earth was in the very
beginning, in the perfect EDEN. He created Adam and Eve to live there FOREVER and this
possibility are still there.... For US as well.
Death is not something to fear (at least after the dying part, which seems to usually be unpleasant). Just think about all the thousands, millions, and billions of years that passed before your birth. What were you feeling in 1812? Or 1134? Or 400 BCE? Or during the time of the dinosaurs? Were you sad about the darkness, the lack of existence? Of course not, because nonexistence means there is no being that can identify and judge anything. No sadness, no happiness, just nothingness.
AntonBatey
Member
Has anyone seen the documentary "Life After Life"?
AraathaAseliot
New Member
I believe exactly that what you fear, but i've made myself at peace with the idea of an eternal void when you die.
I see it like this, when i die i will not even know that i'm dead. It will be the reward for a life lived, which is pretty comparable to heaven. Like a good night sleep after a long and hard day at work.
Offcourse any other positive outcome will be appreciated =p
Don't just think about what happens after death because you can't do anything about it and eventually everyone dies. Everything that has a begin also has an end.
You don't want to be immortal and live through everything and see everything and everyone perish as you live on right? No, you do not. It must end sometime...
I see it like this, when i die i will not even know that i'm dead. It will be the reward for a life lived, which is pretty comparable to heaven. Like a good night sleep after a long and hard day at work.
Offcourse any other positive outcome will be appreciated =p
Don't just think about what happens after death because you can't do anything about it and eventually everyone dies. Everything that has a begin also has an end.
You don't want to be immortal and live through everything and see everything and everyone perish as you live on right? No, you do not. It must end sometime...
Tre-L
Two Tears In a Bucket
There was never a time that existence came into being - Existence was not created; existence has always been, and will always be. Creation as we know it (On the other hand) was formed through the many changes taking place within existence itself. Creation is simply a [finite] 'part' of an [infinite] reality ... Constantly going through changes. Everything finite exists as a part of the infinite and are "eternal" in nature, only the finite parts of existence go through many transformations, changing from one form to another. Such is the nature of life - "Change" For example: Our bodies decay, and we return to the dust of the earth, yet that transformation does not end there. Our bodies also become nourishment for other finite life forms, which in turn become nourishment for other finite life forms. Then we have another element to our being ... Our spirit, and our soul. We will never cease to exist as we have, in one form or another always existed. Death is simply a concept created by finite beings in attempt to explain the nature of life; nothing that exists can cease to exist however, so death is somewhat of an illusion. The finite can only continue in the cycles of change within the whole of existence, and this would include our spirit and our soul which will also go through many cycles of change x infinity.
That's how I view it,
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Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
That's also how I view it. Great post!