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Life Begins at Conception

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angellous_evangellous

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smokydot said:
I've already done all that. Therefore, my case has been properly presented.
Now it's up to you to refute the facts of the case instead of kicking up dust hoping to cloud the facts.

And I'll do it again. . .just for you.

1) Definition: person--a human being, a particular individual

2) Validity: definition of "person" for centuries. (See Thomas Acquinas, 13th century, and Wesbster's 1828 Dictionary)

3) Zygote meets definition of human being: zygote has all the exclusive characteristics of a human being; i.e.,
--a) 45-47 human chromosomes (DNA),

--b) all the genetic code to develop into a mature human being on its own, with no new genetic info needed to make it a unique individual,
needing only to develop in accordance with its already designed nature in the zygote, and

--c) the seven characteristics necessary for life.
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You reference Webster here...
 
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angellous_evangellous

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smokydot said:
This is my "case."
Sincere, objective, substantive (holding up in court) objections and/or comments are invited. Thanks, everyone. -- smokydot

(Keep those definitions in mind!)

HUMAN REPRODUCTION

Definition of Terms:

1. human being - having qualities or characteristics of human species (Webster 1828, 1948, 2008)

2. person - living human being possessing a rational nature (Webster 1828, 1948, 2008)

3. nature - essence; distinguishing quality or qualities (Webster 1828, 1948, 2008)

4. individual - existing as a distinct entity (Webster 1828, 1948, 2008)

5. form, n. - shape, structure or external appearance of a thing (Webster 1828, 1948, 2008)

6. substance - essential part; that which underlies all outward manifestations; real, unchanging essence or nature (Webster 1828, 1948, 2008)

7. transform, v. - to change the form of; to change the shape or appearance of; to metamorphose (Webster 1828, 1948, 2008)

8. gametes - reproductive cells (sperm, egg)

9. conception - formation of zygote by union of two human gametes

10. zygote - union of two human gametes at conception, which union possesses all the necessary requirements for human life

11. human life - cells possessing 45-47 human chomosomes (DNA) and necessary requirements for biological life

12. necessary requirements for biological life - cells, organization, metabolism, homeostasis, reproduction, growth and development

The Case:

Human biology reveals that the human reproductive process results in human life at conception.
Consider the biologicalf facts:

1) Two human reproductive cells (precursors of human life),
neither of which is human life (each lacking necessary number of chromosomes);

2) unite to form the zygote, which contains the 45-47 chromosomes (DNA) necessary for human life, as well as the biological requirements necessary for all life;

3) which zygote from the moment of its formation (conception) is of the same human nature as the human gametes which formed it;

4) and which zygote then transforms through various forms and stages into a unique mature human being of the same human nature as the human gametes which formed it.

Because the human zygote from the moment of its formation (conception) has all the requirments for human life, is a unique human individual with its own genetic code, and needs no new genetic information to make it a unique individual, the zygote is a human being in its initial form.
The zygote--like the newborn, the infant and the adolescent--needs only to develop in accordance with its already-designed nature received at conception.

This is not a metaphysical contention, it is empirical knowledge from plain experimental evidence.
Humans do not come from a zygote, embryo, fetus, adolescent--humans once were a zygote, embryo, fetus, adolescent.
The conceived is a being who is in the process of becoming, it is not a becoming who is striving toward being.
It is not a potential human life, but is a human life with great potential.

The same being that begins as a zygote continues to birth and adulthood. There is no decisive break in the continuous development of the human entity from conception to death that would make this entity a different individual before birth.

Therefore, common sense, based on human biology, verifies that human life begins at conception.

Edit: Objections to the above facts are based in a fundamentally differing view of reality (post #1373).
Since our very bases of understanding reality are so different, we cannot come to agreement on this case.
And that's where we will have to leave it.
Case closed. Thanks, everyone, and adieu.
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and here....
 
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angellous_evangellous

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smokydot said:
You are so lost. . .
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I'm not sure that you can prove that.

I believe that I've demonstrated quite clearly that you're delusional, at least with respect to the relationships that you irrationally force on several different biological and semantic concepts.
 
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eA CASE FOR HUMAN LIFE BEGINNING AT CONCEPTION
smokydot said:
Definition of Terms:

1. being - that which exists as an actuality

2. human being - of the species Homo sapiens

3. person - living human being possessing a rational nature

4. nature - essence; innate or distinguishing quality or qualities

5. individual - a single or particular being; (adj.) existing as a distinct entity

6. form, n. - shape, structure or external appearance of a thing

7. substance - essential part; that which underlies all outward manifestations; real, unchanging essence or nature

8. transform, v. - to change the form of; to change the shape or appearance of; to metamorphose

9. gametes - reproductive cells (sperm, egg)

10. conception - production of zygote by union of two human gametes

11. zygote - union of two human gametes at conception, which union possesses all the necessary requirements for human life

12. human life - cells possessing 45-47 human chomosomes (DNA) and necessary requirements for sustainable biological life

13. necessary requirements for sustainable biological life - cells, organization, metabolism, homeostasis, reproduction, growth and development

Major Premise: All cellular life containing 45-47 human chromosomes (DNA) and the biological characterisitcs necessary to sustain life is human life.
Minor Premise: The human zygote contains 45-47 human chromosomes (DNA) and the biological characteristics necessary to sustain life.

Biological Facts of Minor Premise:

1) Two living human reproductive cells (precursors of human life),
neither of which alone is capable of producing or sustaining human life (each lacking necessary number of chromosomes to produce human life, and necessary biological characteristics to sustain human life);

2) unite to produce the zygote (conception), which has the necessary characteristics for human life: (a) 45-47 human chromosomes (DNA), and (b) the biological characteristics necessary to sustain human life;

3) which zygote from the moment of its formation (conception) is of the same human nature (DNA) as the human gametes which formed it, has its own unique genetic code, needing no new genetic information to make it a unique individual;

4) and which zygote then transforms through various forms and stages into a unique mature human being of the same human nature as the human gametes which produced it.

Because the human zygote from the moment of its formation (conception) has all the requirments for human life [fact 2), above],
has its own unique genetic code, and needs no new genetic information to make it a unique individual,

Conclusion: Therefore, the human zygote is human life in its initial form.

The human zygote--like the newborn, the infant and the adolescent--needs only to develop in accordance with its already-designed nature received at conception.
This is factual empirical knowledge in the field of human biology, and is not based in metaphysical contention.

Humans do not come from a zygote, embryo, fetus, adolescent--humans once were a zygote, embryo, fetus, adolescent.
The conceived is a being who is in the process of becoming, it is not a becoming who is striving toward being.
It is not a potential human life, but is a human life with great potential.

The same being that begins as a zygote continues to birth and adulthood. There is no decisive break in the continuous development of the human entity from conception to death that would make this entity a different individual before birth.
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angellous_evangellous

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*sigh*

It doesn't matter where I got them. . .on the back of a cereal box, or from a billboard on the side of the road.
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This is very telling.:facepalm:
 
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angellous_evangellous said:
:biglaugh:
(Webster does not set the standard, the Oxford English Dictionary [OED] does... and yes, I mean the 20 volume set with supplements)
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:facepalm: The laugh is on you.

"Standard definition" and "definition standard" are not the same.

And since seeing distinctions is most definitely not your forte, I will spell it out for you.

standard definition -- according to the standard (which you say is OED)

definition standard -- the standard itself (OED, according to you)

So. . .do any of my definitions disagree with your standard (OED)?

It doesn't matter where I got them. . .on the back of a cereal box, or on a billboard on the side of the road.
The real point, which is always beyond you, is their compatibility with the standard.

You are so lost. . .
 
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angellous_evangellous

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smokydot said:
Oh, but your missing the point (again) is so much more so.

Not to mention your not answering the question: Do any of my definitions disagree with your standard?

You are so lost. . .
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First of all, what the heck do you mean by that?
 
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