List Anything Islam Has Right?

[LuisDantas]

I don't see how any religion can be regarded as "right."

There are ways.

One is checking for internal clarity and consistency. A religion worth its salt is supposed to have a clear yet informed and flexible message.

Another is verifying what that message is. How much ethical value is has? How well does it develop measures for course-correction and for dealing with the traps that arise from excesses and distortions of its own teachings?

Religions and pseudo-religions are remarkably varied when analysed under those parameters.

 

[Muffled]

So due to others asking can we resolve the Abrahamic Divide; having studied this for years, beginning to question what does Islam have right about Yeshua, about theology, etc.

It is like a revised version of Rabbinic Judaism, which also has many things wrong when compared to the Tanakh.

So in your opinion:

• What things does Islam have right about Yeshua (his mission, who he was, reason for coming, etc)?
  
• What things does it have right theologically, when compared to more advanced understandings?
• Aware we can say charity, prayer, righteousness, etc are mandatory religious values; yet what reasons has Islam got any advanced spiritual values?

In my opinion.

The Qu'ran says that Jesus was given the Gospel. Muslims don't seem to pay much attention to that though as far as I can tell.

 

[Muffled]

That men are permitted to have four wives.

I believe that isn't right. It directly conflicts with what Jesus said.

 

[LuisDantas]

The Qu'ran says that Jesus was given the Gospel. Muslims don't seem to pay much attention to that though as far as I can tell.

They believe that the message was not well kept and that made a third revelation by way of the Qur'an necessary.

Of course, that in practice means that they don't much trust the discernment of Christianity.

 

[Ellen Brown]

So due to others asking can we resolve the Abrahamic Divide; having studied this for years, beginning to question what does Islam have right about Yeshua, about theology, etc.

It is like a revised version of Rabbinic Judaism, which also has many things wrong when compared to the Tanakh.

So in your opinion:

• What things does Islam have right about Yeshua (his mission, who he was, reason for coming, etc)?
  
• What things does it have right theologically, when compared to more advanced understandings?
• Aware we can say charity, prayer, righteousness, etc are mandatory religious values; yet what reasons has Islam got any advanced spiritual values?

In my opinion.

Being an Abrahamic Religionist that is very sympathetic toward Muslims, I find the tenor of your post offensive to me.

So due to others asking can we resolve the Abrahamic Divide; having studied this for years, beginning to question what does Islam have right about Yeshua, about theology, etc.

It is like a revised version of Rabbinic Judaism, which also has many things wrong when compared to the Tanakh.

So in your opinion:

• What things does Islam have right about Yeshua (his mission, who he was, reason for coming, etc)?
  
• What things does it have right theologically, when compared to more advanced understandings?
• Aware we can say charity, prayer, righteousness, etc are mandatory religious values; yet what reasons has Islam got any advanced spiritual values?

In my opinion.

You are, or have been Muslim? You have read the Qur'an? Do you believe that Allah SWT is the one God?

 

[LuisDantas]

You are, or have been Muslim? You have read the Qur'an? Do you believe that Allah SWT is the one God?

If I may ask, why exactly are those questions relevant?

 

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So due to others asking can we resolve the Abrahamic Divide; having studied this for years, beginning to question what does Islam have right about Yeshua, about theology, etc.

It is like a revised version of Rabbinic Judaism, which also has many things wrong when compared to the Tanakh.

So in your opinion:

• What things does Islam have right about Yeshua (his mission, who he was, reason for coming, etc)?
  
• What things does it have right theologically, when compared to more advanced understandings?
• Aware we can say charity, prayer, righteousness, etc are mandatory religious values; yet what reasons has Islam got any advanced spiritual values?

In my opinion.

Islam wants animals to be treated fairly, encourages helping the poor through Ramadan, says that many people see clear proofs of divinity, is more scientifically written, has good military tactics, says those who are righteous give money to those in need, talks about the creation and science well, talks about UFOs well, has all the Gods treated as united, encourages submission to a higher authority, is practiced by many, says there is no compulsion in religion, doesn't require belief that Mohammed is the prophet, led to many great innovations of its members, united nations before Mohammed died, has the most popular name Mohammed, has many facts proven and unproven, leads to charitable action, terrorism is mostly about the threat so people will behave, is mature about letting go of things, encourages travel for health, and I've only read the first 4 Surahs.

 

[Ellen Brown]

If I may ask, why exactly are those questions relevant?

That you are asking these questions, perhaps makes any conversation we have irrelevant. For one to make a judgement on anything really, one needs to know something about it, and the media almost always gets it wrong.

These days, I am very loosely tied to any belief system, but my time as an active, compliant Muslim taught me things I needed to learn. My being covered helped me to feel safe when my situation felt anything but. My stooping, bending and kneeling all the while crying out to Allah SWT for forgiveness for my sins, real or imagined was like taking a soothing, and healing cleansing, for me at least. Shutting all else out, the Qur'an is full of little nuggets of wisdom and comfort. At times, it "feels" like reading from the Bible in Psalms, or Proverbs. I was emerging from a very painful time in life, and my involvement in Islam at the time helped me not to suicide.

Yes, Islam has many problems, not the least of which is their 1400 year civil war with each other. Sorry to say it but the west and the hostile, abusive, and greedy way that it has treated the peoples of the rest of the world is the cause of much of the hostility coming from some Muslims. You do not have to rely on what I say, just read recorded history.

 

[LuisDantas]

That you are asking these questions, perhaps makes any conversation we have irrelevant. For one to make a judgement on anything really, one needs to know something about it, and the media almost always gets it wrong.

That is besides the issue IMO.

Muslims and Islaam exist in the same world as everyone else. There is a practical need to interact between the two groups. Seeking a ground of common understanding and common language is not disrespectful, nor truly avoidable.

It will be great if Muslims or anyone else can help in attaining that common understanding, of course.

These days, I am very loosely tied to any belief system, but my time as an active, compliant Muslim taught me things I needed to learn. My being covered helped me to feel safe when my situation felt anything but. My stooping, bending and kneeling all the while crying out to Allah SWT for forgiveness for my sins, real or imagined was like taking a soothing, and healing cleansing, for me at least. Shutting all else out, the Qur'an is full of little nuggets of wisdom and comfort. At times, it "feels" like reading from the Bible in Psalms, or Proverbs. I was emerging from a very painful time in life, and my involvement in Islam at the time helped me not to suicide.

I am glad that it was helpful for you.

Yes, Islam has many problems, not the least of which is their 1400 year civil war with each other. Sorry to say it but the west and the hostile, abusive, and greedy way that it has treated the peoples of the rest of the world is the cause of much of the hostility coming from some Muslims. You do not have to rely on what I say, just read recorded history.

Fitna in Islaam precedes the very existence of "the west" by around a millenium, if not more. So does destruction of local beliefs and cultures by Islaamic conquerors.

 

[Shaul]

It is like a revised version of Rabbinic Judaism, which also has many things wrong when compared to the Tanakh.

This statement is erroneous. Judaism uses the Tanakh as its foundation. It doesn’t have many things wrong when compared to the Tanakh. Unlike Christianity which certainly does have things wrong when compared to the Tanakh.

 

[Ellen Brown]

That is besides the issue IMO.

Muslims and Islaam exist in the same world as everyone else. There is a practical need to interact between the two groups. Seeking a ground of common understanding and common language is not disrespectful, nor truly avoidable.

It will be great if Muslims or anyone else can help in attaining that common understanding, of course.



I am glad that it was helpful for you.




Fitna in Islaam precedes the very existence of "the west" by around a millenium, if not more. So does destruction of local beliefs and cultures by Islaamic conquerors.

I can't disagree with you. At the time, it met my needs. I'd still wear Hijab, but here, in Trump's America, that is not safe. My religious situation makes sense to no one.

I think that war like Islam is prophesied in the Bible, in Genesis 16, though I did not realize it at first, and tried very hard to fix it.

 

[Shaul]

I can't disagree with you. At the time, it met my needs. I'd still wear Hijab, but here, in Trump's America, that is not safe. My religious situation makes sense to no one.

I think that war like Islam is prophesied in the Bible, in Genesis 16, though I did not realize it at first, and tried very hard to fix it.

Oh, please. If you want to know what it really feels like to not be safe in America, drive a car with a Trump bumper sticker on it in one of the “tolerant” leftist strongholds like San Francisco or Portland.

Car With Trump MAGA Bumper Sticker Spray Painted, Tires Slashed In SF

Police: Trump bumper sticker triggered vandalism

 

[Wu Wei]

• What things does it have right theologically, when compared to more advanced understandings?

That right there tells me all I need to know about your feelings on the topic and also tells me anything said to point out what they may have right will not even be considered.

But as a point of curiosity, who are these theologies with "more advanced understandings"?

 

[Ellen Brown]

Oh, please. If you want to know what it really feels like to not be safe in America, drive a car with a Trump bumper sticker on it in one of the “tolerant” leftist strongholds like San Francisco or Portland.

Car With Trump MAGA Bumper Sticker Spray Painted, Tires Slashed In SF

Police: Trump bumper sticker triggered vandalism

Lol, then I'd say you picked that fight.

Trump MAY have done some things that will work out, but his bragging about the abuse of women, his inspiring cowards to act out in hateful speech and violence will never be acceptable.

I have a Middle Eastern name on my car but put a US Army Veteran sticker on it to stop the harassment.

 

[Shaul]

Lol, then I'd say you picked that fight.

Trump MAY have done some things that will work out, but his bragging about the abuse of women, his inspiring cowards to act out in hateful speech and violence will never be acceptable.

I have a Middle Eastern name on my car but put a US Army Veteran sticker on it to stop the harassment.

I guess you missed it. Attack someone for expressing on opinion is not justification for violence.

President Trump doesn’t brag about abusing women, he doesn’t abuse women. Your opinion to th contrary. Nor does he inspire hate speech and violence. Do you even look at sites I referenced? It shows Trump opponents being hateful and violent, not his supporters.

 

[Ellen Brown]

I guess you missed it. Attack someone for expressing on opinion is not justification for violence.

President Trump doesn’t brag about abusing women, he doesn’t abuse women. Your opinion to th contrary. Nor does he inspire hate speech and violence. Do you even look at sites I referenced? It shows Trump opponents being hateful and violent, not his supporters.

LOL, as you wish. I live IN America, am retired, slightly disabled, and have lots of time to watch the news, no matter how biased, on the Internet. Before the election, I heard him joking and bragging about certain, very lewd activities. Oh, it all goes on and on you know. At his rallies, I heard and saw him saying things that I'm not going to repeat. Enjoy your private reality.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I believe that isn't right. It directly conflicts with what Jesus said.

Uh, Jesus did not even marry. Or did he? (Mary Magdalene). There is a tomb in which Jesus, his wife and child are interred.

 

[wizanda]

That question betrays profound ignorance about Islam in general and Islamic Sufism in particular.

Comparatively to other religions like Taoism, Zen, Buddhism, Confucianism, etc, the Quran is very basic in terms of if we push people in one direction, they will go that way; the reality works 'for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction', so it is very naive in comparison.

Tho some of the Sufi writers then have more metaphysical concepts from the eastern Dharmic understandings, this didn't start within the Quran alone.

You are, or have been Muslim? You have read the Qur'an? Do you believe that Allah SWT is the one God?

I accept the Quran as a testimony, and have read it multiple times... I know the One God Most High, which is defined as Allah in the Quran, and I'm a loyal servant.

Judaism uses the Tanakh as its foundation. It doesn’t have many things wrong when compared to the Tanakh. Unlike Christianity which certainly does have things wrong when compared to the Tanakh.

The idea you don't know Christianity (John, Paul, and Simon) is purposely made up, and fits prophecy in the Tanakh; shows that your comprehension isn't at the level of the Tanakh, which proves the point.

That right there tells me all I need to know about your feelings on the topic and also tells me anything said to point out what they may have right will not even be considered.

Assuming I'm assuming isn't wise...

Plus it even states the reason for asking the thread, is to see after 'years of study' if there is anything missed.

But as a point of curiosity, who are these theologies with "more advanced understandings"?

Taoism, Zen, Buddhism, Dharma, Jainism, Sikhism, etc.

In my opinion.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I accept the Quran as a testimony, and have read it multiple times... I know the One God Most High, which is defined as Allah in the Quran, and I'm a loyal servant.

What proof? The only proof provided is "Don't you see Sun and Moon in the sky".

Mohammad believed that one day the sun would rise in West after Allah refuses it the permission to rise in the East (or so he said). Did he know that the two orbits are some 150 million kms. apart? And the splitting of Moon!
The Qur'an and Modern Science: Does the Sun orbit the Earth According to the Qur'an?

 

[wizanda]

What proof?

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Just because we accept something as a testimony, doesn't guarantee it is true.

Do you know where the qualities ascribed to Allah are not equal to Brahman; other than the plagiarized Hebraic ideas?

In my opinion.