listen to the QURAN

[Kerr]

LOL, I didn't know that non-Muslims should read the Qur'an before posting questions in the Islam DIR!

There is a reason I don´t most there, you know.

I'm saying if people really don't know what the Qur'an is all about, why are they giving us their opinions on something they don't know, and are not willing to know?!!!!!!

I am not unwilling to learn, I am just unmotivated. There is a difference.

 

[enchanted_one1975]

That's enough fairy tales for today.

 

[Sahar]

We don't disagree, of course comprehension is the most important factor in feeling the beauty of the Qur'an.


So you agree that even without the understanding factor people would be touched by it?

Of course, It's possible, but this shouldn't be the point.
There is even a problem between some Arab Muslims, that the melody of the recitation affects them more than the actual words of God and that's why the effect of the Qur'an is temporary on them and the Qur'an is not manifested in their lives.

 

[sonofskeptish]

PLEASE try to listen with open heart

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxZC7W0MFyQ

just click play
& be patient
i know this doesn't fall under debate !!

 

[Riverwolf]

Of course, It's possible, but this shouldn't be the point.
There is even a problem between some Arab Muslims, that the melody of the recitation affects them more than the actual words of God and that's why the effect of the Qur'an is temporary on them and the Qur'an is not manifested in their lives.

I would actually argue that focusing too much on the melody and sound of the Qur'an is a real problem, because it can cause people to become blind to the real meaning. This happened with the Vedas.

The Vedic hymns were written down long ago; many of them predate antiquity. However, such great import was placed upon the sounds of the Vedas, as they were considered the revealed Word of God, that the meaning was eventually completely lost, and the Vedas themselves became the gods. It got to the point where people would pay a priest to recite a hymn in order to receive some benefit. They basically became magic spells.

This is one of the reasons why the Buddha taught to learn the Scriptures from their translations so they can be understood more fully if you don't speak the original language (I don't think Sanskrit was a commonly spoken language when the Buddha lived, let alone Vedic Sanskrit, which is ancient.)

Beauty of Scripture can certainly be appreciated, but that appreciation should not come as a sacrifice to study of the meaning, and that requires translations for people who don't speak the original language.

 

[Sajdah]

I am not unwilling to learn, I am just unmotivated. There is a difference.

My interest in religion lay on a philosophical level, just as I can find other cultures interesting. The reason I participate is mostly that reason and because I happen to like to discuss things.

I think that would be a sufficient motivation for learning. People should know what they are discussing, so as not to judge something they really don't have any idea about.

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[Sajdah]

Of course, It's possible, but this shouldn't be the point.

Well, I just thought it is related to the OP. But in general yes it is not the point.

There is even a problem between some Arab Muslims, that the melody of the recitation affects them more than the actual words of God and that's why the effect of the Qur'an is temporary on them and the Qur'an is not manifested in their lives.

I don't think that the problem here is in the melody of the recitation, but rather the problem is within their hearts. Perhaps by the time they would be affected by the meaning and in the beginning the melody was just a factor in attracting them to listen to the Qur'an instead of listening to something else!

 

[Kerr]

I think that would be a sufficient motivation for learning. People should know what they are discussing, so as not to judge something they really don't have any idea about.

Not in my case. I have... issues... when it comes to learning things. I could just say I am lazy, or I could blame my medical diagnosis, in either case I have such issues when it comes to reading books to learn things I don´t even read my school books and have to figure out stuff in other ways.

 

[YmirGF]

I don't think that the problem here is in the melody of the recitation, but rather the problem is within their hearts. Perhaps by the time they would be affected by the meaning and in the beginning the melody was just a factor in attracting them to listen to the Qur'an instead of listening to something else!

I guess what puzzles me, Sajdah, is that Arabic is simply not a pretty language to listen to. I don't see how one can claim that it is. For example, as an Opera fan I can listen to Opera in many different languages and almost always find them to be profoundly beautiful. Arabic, in contrast, is like listening to a cat being disemboweled and I don't say that just to be mean. Like Hebrew and German, for example, Arabic just grates and does not flow with the beauty of French or Latin. Heck, even English is far more pleasant sounding... unless you are listening to someone from the Ozarks, then it is just funny.

 

[Kerr]

I think that would be a sufficient motivation for learning. People should know what they are discussing, so as not to judge something they really don't have any idea about.

The specific post you quoted, however, do not require that one has read the Quran. It just requires that you have at last some understanding of humanity. My understanding about human "purity", which is I term I am not sure about since it is a matter of perspective, is that it is independent of religion.

 

[akhooka]

Dear Aymen,
Thanks a lot for this link, in fact Maher reciting the Quran in a wonderful way
especially with some Suras as in 'Taa Haa' the N# 20 in the Quran,
starting from : (Of course, the reciting is in the language of the Quran
the Arabic language, but I think people who don't know Arabic may enjoy listening
to it for it's the divine revealation from Allah to all mankind ).

" (60) Moses said unto them: Woe unto you! Invent not a lie against Allah, lest He extirpate you by some punishment. He who lieth faileth miserably. (61) Then they debated one with another what they must do, and they kept their counsel secret. (62) They said: Lo! these are two wizards who would drive you out from your country by their magic, and destroy your best traditions; (63) So arrange your plan, and come in battle line. Whoso is uppermost this day will be indeed successful. (64) They said: O Moses! Either throw first, or let us be the first to throw? (65) He said: Nay, do ye throw! Then lo! their cords and their staves, by their magic, appeared to him as though they ran. (66) And Moses conceived a fear in his mind. (67) We said: Fear not! Lo! thou art the higher. (68) Throw that which is in thy right hand! It will eat up that which they have made. Lo! that which they have made is but a wizard's artifice, and a wizard shall not be successful to whatever point (of skill) he may attain. (69) Then the wizards were (all) flung down prostrate, crying: We believe in the Lord of Aaron and Moses. (70) (Pharaoh) said: Ye put faith in him before I give you leave. Lo! he is your chief who taught you magic. Now surely I shall cut off your hands and your feet alternately, and I shall crucify you on the trunks of palm trees, and ye shall know for certain which of us hath sterner and more lasting punishment. (71) They said: We choose thee not above the clear proofs that have come unto us, and above Him Who created us. So decree what thou wilt decree. Thou wilt end for us only this life of the world. (72) Lo! we believe in our Lord, that He may forgive us our sins and the magic unto which thou didst force us. Allah is better and more lasting. (73) Lo! whoso cometh guilty unto his Lord, verily for him is hell. There he will neither die nor live. (74) But whoso cometh unto Him a believer, having done good works, for such are the high stations; (75) Gardens of Eden underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever. That is the reward of him who groweth.
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[Sajdah]

Not in my case. I have... issues... when it comes to learning things. I could just say I am lazy, or I could blame my medical diagnosis, in either case I have such issues when it comes to reading books to learn things I don´t even read my school books and have to figure out stuff in other ways.

Sorry for that...But seriously how do you pass the exams?! (If it was a good method, I'll think of using it too )

The specific post you quoted, however, do not require that one has read the Quran. It just requires that you have at last some understanding of humanity. My understanding about human "purity", which is I term I am not sure about since it is a matter of perspective, is that it is independent of religion.

So, if we are discussing something related to Islam, all what you need in your discussion to put an honest opinion is some understanding of humanity?!

I guess what puzzles me, Sajdah, is that Arabic is simply not a pretty language to listen to. I don't see how one can claim that it is.

If you didn't say that, you wouldn't be Ymir!

 

[Kerr]

Sorry for that...But seriously how do you pass the exams?! (If it was a good method, I'll think of using it too )

To be fair, my program at the universety does not have an exam based system, we do a lot of "laborations" and "assignments" instead. Which I am not very good at doing. If we had exams then I would maybe be more motivated, lol.

I am a strange person in that if I am motivated to learn something and manage to keep focus on it there are no bounds for me. But as soon as I get uninterested, it gets very, very hard. This is a major issue at school, for example I spend more time doing my own small side projects then school work simply because they interest me and school doesn´t. I can be extremely productive when it comes to those... but I get very little school work done... so I really hope you don´t do like me, and that is to spread out your concentration and do a loads of other things .

So, if we are discussing something related to Islam, all what you need in your discussion to put an honest opinion is some understanding of humanity?!

In this specific case, yes. Context matters. When someone attribute specific characteristics to someone who can find a religious scripture to be beautiful and another to those who don´t they are ignoring all the people who does not fit in such a view. Humanity is very diverse, so it is my assumption that there are all kinds of people. But there is one thing I now realize I have overlooked... what do you mean with "purity"?

 

[Riverwolf]

Hmm... I just listened to some of it, myself, and I'm, personally, not seeing the problem. It's very pretty.

 

[Perfect Circle]

Perhaps, but I think it would be more accurate to say that it's all about the listener's heart, not everyone would be emotionaly moved by listening to the Qur'an. There are Arabs (Muslims and non- Muslims) who understand Arabic very well, but they aren't touched by the Qur'an, because they don't purify their hearts from its diseases. In the same time there are non-Arabs, and non-Muslims who are touched by Qur'an because their hearts are pure.

Pure hearts? Seriously? Where are you from... middle earth?

 

[Sahar]

Pure hearts? Seriously? Where are you from... middle earth?

What is this supposed to mean?

 

[Perfect Circle]

What is this supposed to mean?

Ever heard of lord of the rings? It's a joke, that's all.

I'm just trying to say that the notion of a "pure heart" is something that belongs in a tolkien'esh fantasy.