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Little statements, BIG wisdom

Much has been made of the shortest verse in the Bible, "Jesus wept".
I am amazed by the complexity of a simple question that Pilate asked Jesus:
"What is truth?" It wasn't the simple question which it at first appears to be.
Are truths absolute, speculative, or both?
What are your thoughts?
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
Small statements allow for hundreds of interpretations. As such, they are taken to be deep. They are not even shallow.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
Small statements allow for hundreds of interpretations. As such, they are taken to be deep. They are not even shallow.

That's why when people want to tell you something, they should not be so metaphorical :p


"Water is flowing from the eye of my arm in the pond of tears. And it is that water is what builds up the heart of the third eye." bleh bleh bleh!!!
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Little statements rarely contain big wisdom, and when they do, they aren't ambiguous about it.
 
That may be true about statements, but it wasn't a statement, it was a question. In fact, I gave several questions, none of which any of you answered.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Sounds like something from Pistis Sophia.
Or John Waters depending how wacked out you are at the time. Anyways my romance with Hakuin has just died. Need a fat lady potting lips of radient hue illuminating the heaven of gems

raining red rivers of infinite sunflowers.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
That may be true about statements, but it wasn't a statement, it was a question.

But the thread title is about statements, not questions. :p

In fact, I gave several questions, none of which any of you answered.

I'm not so amazed at the complexity of the question "what is truth?" Sure, it's somewhat complex, but only because of the ambiguous definition of the English word "truth"; it may not have been as ambiguous in the original Greek.
 

F0uad

Well-Known Member
Pilate: What is truth?

Jesus(P): answers

Pilate: Wrong! Die!

It looks to me that Pilate was looking for hes own truth.
 

F0uad

Well-Known Member
:facepalm:

Have you even read the story?

I did a quick reading a while ago but forgot most of it, but didn't pilate ordered/authorized the crucifixion or at-least wasn't he at the moment present?

There are many historians and biblical scholars who think that Pilate ordered it himself and discard the Gospels of being accurate on the case of Pilate, when Pilate says he sees no reason for him to be curisified i would say that Paul and the early Church fathers altered the text to there liking since the Gospels are 60 till 200 years old and were defiantly influenced by the Romans in time.

Anyway like i said Pilate didn't agree on Jesus(p)'s truth.
 
The Jews wanted Jesus crucified. Pilate wanted no part of the whole deal, but he was caught between the proverbial rock and a hard spot. There was no legal reason for Christ to be crucified according to the Roman laws which Pilate enforced, and that is why he found no fault in Jesus, however Pilate was responsible for keeping the Jews under control in his region, and what Jesus had done in affirming to the Sanhedrin that He was God ("It is as you say") was considered blasphemy by the Jews- a crime in their society punishable by death. Pilate didn't want to be responsible for Jesus' death so in an attempt to save Jesus' life, he gave the Jews a choice as to who they wanted crucified, Jesus or a notorious criminal named Barrabus, as it was a day in which one prisoner was freed by law. The Jews chose Barrabus.
 

F0uad

Well-Known Member
Thats recording the 4gospels like i said Historians and many Biblical scholars disagree with the 4 gospels, hence in the gospel of peter Pilate is indeed the guilty one. Like i said the scriptures have been in the hands of Romans so they could easily change the words back then.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I am amazed by the complexity of a simple question that Pilate asked Jesus:
"What is truth?" It wasn't the simple question which it at first appears to be.
Are truths absolute, speculative, or both?
What are your thoughts?

While some truths are absolute, most truths are neither absolute nor wholly speculative, but conditional.

So far as I can see, many people use the word "truth" as a synonym for "reality". Thus, something is true if it is real, or if it really exists. I don't find that definition very helpful, although it does have the advantage of being so simplistic just about everyone can understand it.

On the other hand, of the three major theories of truth -- The Correspondence Theory, The Pragmatic Theory, and The Coherence Theory -- I prefer a version of The Correspondence Theory (perhaps mixed in with a little pragmatism). Put somewhat simplistically, the truth or falsity of a proposition depends on the extent to which the proposition corresponds to what is the case. Thus, the proposition, "There is a little girl running across the yard" is true to the extent that there actually is a little girl running across the yard.

One way to think about The Correspondence Theory might be to envision a map. The analogy is not perfect, but we commonly say the map is true (or false) to the degree to which the map corresponds to its terrain. Thus, if a map predicts that a tree will be in a certain location, and a tree actually is in the predicted location, the map is true to that extent. In more or less the same way, a proposition is true (or false) to the degree to which the proposition corresponds to what is the case.

You can find a very brief summary of the three major theories of truth here. Left out is Tarski's Semantic Theory of Truth, which many people believe is a variation on The Correspondence Theory, and which I find attractive.
 
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