Can you imagine this scene in live action video? Wow...a masterpiece.
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Live action Disney movie Pocahontas?
- Thread starter Estro Felino
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I just read that Gitmo torturers played
recordings of her song to prisoners.
The Disney movie doesn't intend to say "all Native Americans are good, all European colonizers are bad".
Slavery among Native Americans in the United States - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
It conveys quite the opposite: there are good people and bad people in both groups.
And there were good tribes and bad tribes among Native Americans.
Father Heathen
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Go ahead.
Then they would be hypocrites, of course.Do you know how many dems I know in real life who claim to be the defenders of the rainbow flag, while in private they are the most transphobic people you will ever meet?
But anyway, what was your point? Is it a competition? Do they cancel each other out?
My point is that it's not a political thread...it's about a movie.Go ahead.
Then they would be hypocrites, of course.
But anyway, what was your point? Is it a competition? Do they cancel each other out?
Is it away to push prisoners to ask for the death penalty themselves?
I wuz compelled to temper your portrayal of
Indians using the "noble savage" stereotype.
It's so confusing to use the term Indian...since I think of India, whenever I hear it.
What about just Native American?
In the context of this thread, one
should infer aboriginal Ameristanians.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
You brought politics into it:
...and...
And on that note, it's not at all controversial and is actually commonly done. It's also considered "woke", which you hate, remember?
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Eh... I'm not sure a live action Pocahontas movie would fly in today's social climate. The average person has far more access to information now than they did when the movie was first released, so the original's wild and flimsy inaccuracies wouldn't stand the test of valid criticism. Folks would cry foul if the movie's story was altered, and folks would cry foul if the movie's story was unaltered. I don't see the point, really
Instead of retreading old ground, why not just tell a different pre-contact story? Raven Steals the Sun would be a story that I think would make a fun Disney movie
Instead of retreading old ground, why not just tell a different pre-contact story? Raven Steals the Sun would be a story that I think would make a fun Disney movie
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It’s one thing for Disney to remake a fairytale of theirs.
People have long (jokingly) suspected they only do so to keep a copyright on them over the years.
Pocahontas is Disneyfied history.
Dunno. Just seems insulting either way
People have long (jokingly) suspected they only do so to keep a copyright on them over the years.
Pocahontas is Disneyfied history.
Dunno. Just seems insulting either way
Do you think Disney movies are supposed to portray stories accurately?It’s one thing for Disney to remake a fairytale of theirs.
People have long (jokingly) suspected they only do so to keep a copyright on them over the years.
Pocahontas is Disneyfied history.
Dunno. Just seems insulting either way
No. They turn stories into idealized romances.
In the novel, the Little Mermaid dies and becomes a soul.
In The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Phoebus is betrothed to Fleur-de-Lys. He doesn't fall in love with Esmeralda, he just wants to sleep with her.
A Disney movie is not supposed to be accurate or historically accurate. It's supposed to convey a positive message.
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What happens in the real life version of the Little Mermaid?
It's very similar to the cartoon version. And they lived happily ever after....
Of course they’re not documentaries.
But they have a reputation to maintain nonetheless
Hunchback is a fictional novel.
Anyone over the age of 10 doesn’t expect their version to be an accurate adaption. Get real
When it comes to real life events though?
Ehhhh
You can take inspiration from the real world as an artist. I doubt anyone will care that much.
To retell the same sanitised version of a real life historical event though?
Society might be less forgiving the second time round.
Because that just leaves a bad taste in one’s mouth. It’s disrespectful, it’s in bad faith and it’s done merely for profit
If Disney retold it exclusively through the eyes and voices of the Native Indian Tribe Pocahontas was related to.
Maybe they could pretend to be doing so in good faith and in the spirit of progress or whatever
Hide behind their PR machine and make it out in one piece in the long run.
I don’t know.
If Pocahontas was simply based on a legend, myth or simply a fictional book, they could retell it without worry. After all they adapt things, so who cares?
But knowing the actual story behind her original ordeal. Yeah I can’t help but think it’s just disrespectful.
We’re supposed to be better than that
Besides I am itching for an actual new Disney film. Their remakes are beneath their talent, imo
Though I’ve been hearing good things about the Little Mermaid. I’ll likely get dragged to see it by enthusiastic nieces and that’s fine by me
You have surely watched Pocahontas.
What's wrong with that movie?
Plenty.
Just don't use depictions and names from history. Then I could screw my nose up at the sappiness, and others could enjoy it.
But using real life figures, then mangling the history because it's supposed to be a sappy love story. Ugh.
I will say, this was a significant step forwards for Disney in some ways. They had a non-white Princess (Jasmine was the first) voiced by a non-white actor (unlike Jasmine). But it also marked what I tend to think of as an increasing transition into somewhat preachy movies. Just personal opinion.
That's not the message that that movie means to convey.
Otherwise there would have been a happy ending, with Smith and Pocahontas getting married in Virginia. Yet he returns to London, wounded.
The message is that the European colonizers had a wrong logic of conquest and exploitation of land, while Native Americans used to respect nature, without exploiting it.
And since Americans have the tail of straw, they can hardly receive approval from an audience that believes in greed and exploitation of resources, until they run out completely.