Live Brexit Deal Debate

[lewisnotmiller]

We had the discussion long before the vote. We knew exactly what it meant.

It seems unlikely that ANYONE knew 'exactly' what it meant.
There were a lot of deals and contracts that required ratification, and the very nature of that negotiation meant it wasn't possible to know exactly.

I take exception to people basically telling us Leavers that we didn't know what we were doing and couldn't vote like adults. We can and we did.

Like any other large voting group, there would be a range.
So whether you knew exactly what the impact of the Brexit vote would be, not everyone did. That's not a particular knock on Leavers, just how democracy is.

 

[Rival]

It seems unlikely that ANYONE knew 'exactly' what it meant.
There were a lot of deals and contracts that required ratification, and the very nature of that negotiation meant it wasn't possible to know exactly.

I was being hyperbolic, but I just meant that we weren't as clueless as some people make us out to be, or just 'racists'.

Like any other large voting group, there would be a range.
So whether you knew exactly what the impact of the Brexit vote would be, not everyone did. That's not a particular knock on Leavers, just how democracy is.

Same could be said of Remainers. Ignorance isn't picky.

 

[sun rise]

I thought that the EU had to agree that Scotland and Ireland could reenter.
No?
They can force their way in, after GB voted for Brexit?
I don't pretend to understand European politics. Why would Germany and Spain and Italy just let Scotland back into The Union, when Britain is exiting?
I really don't understand this.
Tom

The United Kingdom would have to break up first. Then the independent nation of Scotland can apply just like what happened to various nations joining from Eastern Europe.

 

[Estro Felino]

What about Ireland?
Really, I don't claim to have an opinion.
But I don't think the EU is going to give a better deal to Scotland without concessions than they give England.
Why would they? They have a great deal of leverage. Scotland doesn't want Brexit, if I understand correctly.
Tom

The Scots had the chance to become independent in 2014. They refused. This shows that Scottish nationalism is a farce.
True independentism is that of Catalonia who would do anything to become an independent republic.
Or here...we have a German-speaking province, the South Tyrol who should rejoin Austria.

Btw Brexit is an inevitable process. It's just a matter of time: when Le Pen becomes French president, and Salvini becomes Italian Prime Minister, the EU ...kaputt

 

[Altfish]

The Scots had the chance to become independent in 2014. They refused. This shows that Scottish nationalism is a farce.
True independentism is that of Catalonia who would do anything to become an independent republic.
Or here...we have a German-speaking province, the South Tyrol who should rejoin Austria.

Btw Brexit is an inevitable process. It's just a matter of time: when Le Pen becomes French president, and Salvini becomes Italian Prime Minister, the EU ...kaputt

If the Scots had known that we would be leaving the EU I suspect the vote could have gone the other way. Scotland voted something like 60-40 to Remain.

 

[Altfish]

Looks like the debate isn't going to happen.

 

[Rival]

Looks like the debate isn't going to happen.

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[Altfish]

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ITV scraps plans for Brexit TV debate

 

[Rival]

ITV scraps plans for Brexit TV debate

I was talking about the one I linked in my OP. There was also one today about the effect on the economy. They were Parliamentary debates.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

The Scots had the chance to become independent in 2014. They refused. This shows that Scottish nationalism is a farce.
True independentism is that of Catalonia who would do anything to become an independent republic.

I think I'll take lessons in what nationalism is or is not from someone who isn't a literal card-carrying fascist. You can want your country to be independent while not wanting to destabilise it and cause chaos, conflict and copious amounts of bloodshed. By your idiotic thinking Australia, Canada, New Zealand and a host of other countries must not count because they gained their independence without violence.

Violence should only be used to achieve your country's freedom when a) you have literally no other choice (e.g. Ireland) or b) when you've got no arguments to make.

Btw Brexit is an inevitable process. It's just a matter of time: when Le Pen becomes French president, and Salvini becomes Italian Prime Minister, the EU ...kaputt

Replace "Le Pen" with 'Jesus' and "the EU" with 'the world' and this your statement is as empty a threat as the ones made by Christians that Jesus' return is imminent.

 

[Rival]

Hey, no vote is better than a bad vote!

 

[Altfish]

I was being hyperbolic, but I just meant that we weren't as clueless as some people make us out to be, or just 'racists'.

Same could be said of Remainers. Ignorance isn't picky.

I don't think that's true; Remainers knew full well what we were getting since it was the Status Quo, it was the Leave Team that promised the Unicorns.

Status Quo is not sexy (Ok ladies Rick Parfitt...) and the 'Project Fear campaign was very successful.

 

[Notanumber]

I don't think that's true; Remainers knew full well what we were getting since it was the Status Quo, it was the Leave Team that promised the Unicorns.

Status Quo is not sexy (Ok ladies Rick Parfitt...) and the 'Project Fear campaign was very successful.

There is no status quo in the EU, far from it!

 

[Altfish]

There is no status quo in the EU, far from it!

Since the UK has opt-outs on most things, it is very much fixed to us.