Living as a gay Hindu.

[Yogi1054]

The source of gods is the guna-consciousness Trimurti, a Triad construction of Consciousness that generates thoughts and beliefs in individuals. God (Sri Krishna) created this consciousness. Sri Krishna accepts homage through Devi (Durga) as divine but since He hates homosexuals because they prevent human evolution from generating a flourishing humanity, Mother Bahuchara is not part of the divinity of Devi and has nothing to do with Sri Krishna.

Really? As a follower of Shakti Matji takes on many forms that Gay people feel comfortable with such as Goddess Bahuchragi, Ma Yelleamma and Aravanan.

From my understanding Shri Krishna took on the form of Mohini in order to marry Aravanan before he died, Padma Purana (5.74.60-198)Arjuna takes the form of a cowherd so that he can be at one with Krishna and his pastimes!

 

[Shantanu]

Homosexuality doesn't prevent evolution or even constrict the population. Not every organism has to or does procreate in nature. We know this for a fact due to observations made of Sexual and Natural Selection "Laws" prevalent in nature to begin with.
Also, there's a hypothesis which suggests that homosexuality might have been a beneficial survival strategy. A sort of supply of back up parents for the tribe to lean on if the parents had short lives, shall we say. Which was a high probability back when we were hunter gatherers. Hell there are tribes today which use that very strategy.

Why would God be so ignorant of basic natural and selection pressures in Evolution? Why would God be so short sighted when it comes to survivability of the species as it is understood in Evolution? Why would God want overpopulation and require every single human to procreate? Does God also hate infertile people? They're even worse than gay people, because they could be 100% heterosexual and still not procreate. At least gay people could use surrogates to push forward the species, if that concerns God oh so much!
Are you sure you didn't mishear God, or are you just projecting?

Can there be any humans left on this earth if everyone was a homosexual?

 

[SomeRandom]

Can there be any humans left on this earth if everyone was a homosexual?

Yes. Homosexuality does not bar one from having the capability of having sex with the opposite sex. If everyone was homosexual, the only thing that would happen is surrogacy rates would skyrocket. We wouldn't stop procreating. And trying to suggest such is displaying astounding ignorance of sexual orientation and how it relates to human beings in the first place. Not to mention such a hypothetical scenario is so far fetched, one might as well say, well if we were all female would we survive as a species? The answer to that is actually no. So is being female or male (as a human) intrinsically bad now, because if we were all one sex we would perish?

 

[Fireside_Hindu]

Not to mention such a hypothetical scenario is so far fetched, one might as well say, well if we were all female would we survive as a species? The answer to that is actually no.

Actually, though it may not apply to humans (at the moment) there is at least one species of lizard that can reproduce asexually when the male population dips too low. They induce egg laying by having one female mount another and re-create the action of mating. It's quite interesting actually. I don't know if that helps your point, but I second what you've been saying.

 

[Shantanu]

Yes. Homosexuality does not bar one from having the capability of having sex with the opposite sex. If everyone was homosexual, the only thing that would happen is surrogacy rates would skyrocket. We wouldn't stop procreating. And trying to suggest such is displaying astounding ignorance of sexual orientation and how it relates to human beings in the first place. Not to mention such a hypothetical scenario is so far fetched, one might as well say, well if we were all female would we survive as a species? The answer to that is actually no. So is being female or male (as a human) intrinsically bad now, because if we were all one sex we would perish?

Homosexuality wants to turn the whole mechanism of evolution upside down and that is against God's wishes.

 

[spiritualhitchhiker]

No one can speak with GOD in Kali Yuga. Only mad people and children can speak GOD's words in Kali Yuga. So Shantanu you are wrong.

 

[StarryNightshade]

Homosexuality wants to turn the whole mechanism of evolution upside down and that is against God's wishes.

Oh no! We've been figured out. Time to create a new agenda for the Queer New World Order.

 

[StarryNightshade]

Kama also means love. Kamadev is the one who makes people fall in love, remember?

Sorry if this question causes you pain, can you tell me, have you never found a woman sexually attractive? Do you automatically find good looking men sexually attractive?

This is a complicated question for me.

On one hand, I certainly do find some women beautiful. However, I'm not sure if I could ever find any to be sexually attractive.

As for good looking men? Attractiveness goes beyond looks. I mean, sure, I could appreciate a good looking guy, but good looks are nothing if he is not a good person. Or if he's boring , unambitious, lazy, etc.

 

[SomeRandom]

Homosexuality wants to turn the whole mechanism of evolution upside down and that is against God's wishes.

Homosexuality doesn't want anything. It's a natural phenomenon. It has no feelings, no wants, no needs, no ideas. It's just something that exists, like hermaphrodites or I don't know whales or something. It exists, that's it.
Homosexuality specifically is merely a label we apply to a particular attraction people have, using common understanding usually from fields of academia in particular sexology, psychology and biology.
Also some form of homosexuality has been observed in over 1500 species of animals, not only that but even many families of plants have their own version of homosexuality. Most of the produce (fruit and veg) comes from what are usually classified as "bisexual" plants.
Apparently God is against His/Her own creation. That's..............silly.

 

[SomeRandom]

Actually, though it may not apply to humans (at the moment) there is at least one species of lizard that can reproduce asexually when the male population dips too low. They induce egg laying by having one female mount another and re-create the action of mating. It's quite interesting actually. I don't know if that helps your point, but I second what you've been saying.

Is it bad that the first thing I thought of was Jurassic Park and their explanation of Frog mating habits to explain why all the females are suddenly capable of breeding?

But you're indeed correct. (And I agree it's often very fascinating) Different species have differing strategies for reproduction. Some are asexual, some are multisexual, some are capable of sex fluidity etc. Humans, like other herd species (actually like most species in general I'm fairly certain) rely on opposite sex mating. This is merely behavior however and does not implicitly imply one sexual orientation or another. Using our model of sexual reproduction, to have all of us be male or all of us be female would render us extinct. As sex fluidity does not exist in our species (although gender fluidity does.)
However, using this same model having all of us be homosexual would not spell the end of us as opposite sex mating would still be very much possible.

 

[Shantanu]

Homosexuality doesn't want anything. It's a natural phenomenon. It has no feelings, no wants, no needs, no ideas. It's just something that exists, like hermaphrodites or I don't know whales or something. It exists, that's it.
Homosexuality specifically is merely a label we apply to a particular attraction people have, using common understanding usually from fields of academia in particular sexology, psychology and biology.
Also some form of homosexuality has been observed in over 1500 species of animals, not only that but even many families of plants have their own version of homosexuality. Most of the produce (fruit and veg) comes from what are usually classified as "bisexual" plants.
Apparently God is against His/Her own creation. That's..............silly.

Are you saying that homosexuality is the normal instinct of the human species rather than heterosexuality when less than 5 per cent of the human population perhaps are homosexuals?

Secondly, we humans are not like any other animals or plants: we have been brought to exist by God so that we do not act like the rest of Nature.

 

[SomeRandom]

Are you saying that homosexuality is the normal instinct of the human species rather than heterosexuality when less than 5 per cent of the human population perhaps are homosexuals?

I'm saying it's an infrequent occurrence which is largely benign and seemingly outright indifferent. It doesn't do anything. It exists. That's it.
Well I guess there is the age old line of thinking that bi- curiosity is inherent within our species. Make of that what you will.

 

[Shantanu]

I'm saying it's an infrequent occurrence which is largely benign and seemingly outright indifferent. It doesn't do anything. It exists. That's it.
Well I guess there is the age old line of thinking that bi- curiosity is inherent within our species. Make of that what you will.

God did not make a perfect world of human beings in His own image, that is for sure.

 

[SomeRandom]

God did not make a perfect world of human beings in His own image, that is for sure.

Never said He/She did, just that homosexuality as a phenomenon is benign and doesn't really do a whole lot either beneficial or detrimental. So it seems rather silly of God to even be concerned by something so innocuous. Humans certainly seem to be unusually interested in it, though.

 

[ratikala]

namaskaram Malola ji

I will admit my ignorance of Gaudiya (I don't know much about it), but in south India, where Sri Vaishnavism is one of the predominant schools of Dharma, initiation/upanayana is considered the beginning of one's studies. As well as the beginning of the stages of life. Once one is no longer a Brahmachari, they go into the Grihastha/householder stage. The only difference is that I'll be with a man and not a woman.

there are probably some small differences ,although we all take initiation with varying degrees of commitment , ...on the whole when we take initiation it is to dedicate ones life to Seva , to Deity Seva , and to the Seva of oues Guru and Sampradya , ...this one takes a new name and the title Das or Dasi , ...so we become surrendered , ....everything in our life becomes Seva , ....in all four ashramas we are doing seva it is just that the seva changes as we go throuth the different stages of life .

And yes, God is the ultimate attraction ,but it would be nice to have someone to share this lifetime with.

jai jai , ....yes this is very important , I decided to marry so that I had some one to do seva with I wanted a Devotee freind who understood what was important to me , I needed to be with someone who shared the same values, ...

I firmly believe one can have have both human relationships and a relation with the Divine. After all, isn't that what the 4 Ashrama/stages are for?

I feel very lucky because I feel that I have been blessed with this , when a relationship works both serve eachother and together serve the Divine , ....its a balancing act but a very special one , ...it is not at all like a material relationship , ...it is two people doing devotional life together , .....

That's what I want as well. To commit to a single person spiritually and emotional for (hopefully) the rest of this lifetime.

jai jai , ....that is what we had to promice our guru before he would give us permition to marry (no seperation , no divorce )....so it was a sort of mutualy arranged marrage , with Guru taking the place of the parents in insuring that we were suitable for each other .... .....and it works , ....

when a devotee marrys it should be for life , I hope you too find this happiness and support .


I hope you do not mind but this thread has given me a thought for another thread not so much related to the specificaly Gay aspect of your question , ...but relating more to the idea of ballancing ones material and spiritual life regardless of ones orientation , ....something that should concern us all equaly , ...

ballancing material life and spiritual life | ReligiousForums.com

 

[Matsya]

As a gay man, myself, I can sympathize with much of what you've said.

There is always going to be someone in every religion that is going to say being gay inheriently is wrong. Within the dharmic religions (e.g., Sanatana Dharma, Sikhism, Jainism, Buddhism, Etc.) there have been teachers of those faiths that have said homosexuality is wrong where there is little or no scriptural proof.

Additionally, homophobia tends to be, in some areas, brought on by European expansion and colonialism. In certain places that in pre-historical and pre-modern had no problem with homosexuality often did after contact and exploitation by colonialists. But that is neither here nor there.