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Lloyd Pye: Archeological Cover Up!

Dubio

Member
Lloyd Pye's video shows evidence that there is a scientific cover up and man didn't get here without alien intervention. I am a moron compared to you guys but I could only take 12 minutes of it.

You guys need to leave a comment on this youtube page because there are believers out there that bought this stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe6DN1OoxjE
 
Lloyd Pye's video shows evidence that there is a scientific cover up and man didn't get here without alien intervention. I am a moron compared to you guys but I could only take 12 minutes of it.

You guys need to leave a comment on this youtube page because there are believers out there that bought this stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe6DN1OoxjE

Firstly this is a very old video from 1999. Was that Michael Cremo at the beginning of the video?

I don't think Lloyd Pye is as bad as some of the creationists, he seems to accept a form of common descent, his only argument is that modern humans could not of come about without some kind of outside intervension. Of course putting aliens in the gap is stupid and not scientific. I watched 20 minutes. The only truthful point that he has made, is that the fossil record is not strictly gradual.
 

FunctionalAtheist

Hammer of Reason
Do I have to look at? The science community is not like any government. It is not a cohesive body in the sense that there is a policy direction and everyone is to 'do their job.' The idea of a real cover up by 'science' seems almost absurd. If just a few scientist found out why wouldn't they jump on the band wagon to be among the first to expand their research? The nature of the scientific community is one of collaboration AND COMPETITION. That and the fact that most scientists fully admit not only the possibility, but the liklyhood of life in other solor systems, makes me think that there would be enough scientists with enough curiosity to at least take a peak at the evidence such life had visited us. Of course most scientists accept the possibility, but dismiss the liklyhood that such life has visited us. The hypothesis of pangenesis, that life came from the stars (in the form of the basic building blocks, simple one-celled organisms, or even purposly distributed) is a very old hypothesis from scientists. Any way, I would love to take a look at any evidence. But I'm not really interested in cover ups.
 

cyberman

New Member
Why do you hold this to be the case?

Because of evidence. There is none which supports this view. (Note: In case anyone should misunderstand or pretend to misunderstand. I am not here talking about the lack of evidence for life on other planets. I am talking about the lack of evidence to support the claim that a majority of scientists think it likely that there is life on other planets).
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Good answer. Thanks.

It seems remarkable that there are not readily accessible surveys on the topic. I seem to remember seeing one way back during the Sagan/Mayr SETI debate which suggested greater skepticism among those specializing in the life sciences than found among those focused on the physical sciences.

My own view is that the likelihood of extraterrestrial sentient life is greatly overrated.
 

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Because of evidence. There is none which supports this view. (Note: In case anyone should misunderstand or pretend to misunderstand. I am not here talking about the lack of evidence for life on other planets. I am talking about the lack of evidence to support the claim that a majority of scientists think it likely that there is life on other planets).
Conclusion section of the NRC's Limits of Organic Life in Planetary Systems

From the other end of the spectrum, here's a quote from Ward & Brownlee's Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe (italics in original):
"In this book we will argue that not only intelligent life, but even the simplest of animal life, is exceedingly rare in our galaxy and in the Universe. We are not saying that life is rare—only that animal life is. We believe that life in the form of microbes or their equivalents is very common in the universe, perhaps more common than even Drake and Sagan envisioned. However, complex life—animals and higher plants— is likely to be far more rare than is commonly assumed."

There is a wealth of information in astrobiology-based volumes alone (see e.g., Origins and Evolution of Life: An Astrobiological Perspective (Cambridge Astrobiology), Cambridge University Press, 2011; Life in the Universe: Expectations and Constraints (Advances in Astrobiology and Biogeophysics), Springer, 2008; Chemical Evolution and the Origin of Life, Springer, 2008) on just how many scientists in diverse fields consider it to be ludicrous to imagine that life doesn't exist elsewhere. Far less clear is how many have good reason to suppose this is true for anything other than the type of life we find in unbelievably extreme conditions on earth. But this:
I am talking about the lack of evidence to support the claim that a majority of scientists think it likely that there is life on other planets).

is simply not true. There is, and has been now for some time, an interdisciplinary field of biologists, physicists, cosmologists, even computer scientists called "astrobiology" and a wealth of literature about the consensus of scientific opinion.
 
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