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Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
I think we both know that if I wanted to "pick a fight" I can do a better job.
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Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Your 401k is doing great because of what Obama did for 8 yrs and because businesses have decided to ignore trump.
Don't forget it took bush jr. 7 years to blow up everyones 401k. Just because trump hasn't destroyed it yet doesn't mean he's not working on it. Give it time. 9 of the last 10 Republican presidents have left the country in a recession. Why do you think trump will be different than any of them?
Wrong. My wife and I track our 401k and it was totally stagnant under Obama. It's been growing like gangbusters the past few months. That's Trump. Not Obama.
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Then let me suggest that you go up to Obama and give him a really big kiss, and can I recommend where that kiss should be planted? :D

[if one remembers correctly, 401-K's and a lot of other investment accounts took one helluva noser that started during the Bush administration, but it didn't take long for Obama & Co. to make some changes that let to the longest sustained market growth in American history while the Republicans under McConnell tried to block just about every thing that the Obama administration tried]

Absolutely wrong. My 401k was totally stagnant under Obama. No significant growth until Trump. Leave it to a liberal to lay claim to someone else's accomplishments.
 

Mister Silver

Faith's Nightmare
Well, there is a reason that rich people support Republicans. Republicans, after all, only support the rich; to heck with supporting anyone else.

If Republicans support rich people while poor people suffer, and Democrats support poor people while rich people suffer, shouldn't that be a reason to find a way to support everyone?

Not that rich people truly suffer under Democrats as much as poor people do under Republicans.
 
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tytlyf

Not Religious
It's all about GOP media like Fox and Rush. Those are the entertainers teaching these people the things you mentioned in the OP. It's sad, but we've known for a while now who the anti-American elitists are. They are the republican elitists taking advantage of people that are vulnerable.

It's despicable.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Absolutely wrong. My 401k was totally stagnant under Obama. No significant growth until Trump. Leave it to a liberal to lay claim to someone else's accomplishments.
All I see is TrumpCo taking credit for everything Obama has already accomplished. But I understand that GOP media says that the economy was in shambles, 90 million Americans out of work, etc....Now GOP media doesn't mention that, they say look at how great the economy is due to TrumpCo.

It's funny seeing GOP media take credit for the stock martket (everyday is a new record!), low unemployment, wealth creation, etc. These are all new things to the audience, because their media is who teaches them how to think. It's news to them. Hearing how bad the economy is 24/7 365 has an effect on the vulnerable mind. The audience suddenly thinks Trump has righted the horrible Obama economy.

Remember, propaganda is all about emotional reaction.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
All I see is TrumpCo taking credit for everything Obama has already accomplished. But I understand that GOP media says that the economy was in shambles, 90 million Americans out of work, etc....Now GOP media doesn't mention that, they say look at how great the economy is due to TrumpCo.

It's funny seeing GOP media take credit for the stock martket (everyday is a new record!), low unemployment, wealth creation, etc. These are all new things to the audience, because their media is who teaches them how to think. It's news to them. Hearing how bad the economy is 24/7 365 has an effect on the vulnerable mind. The audience suddenly thinks Trump has righted the horrible Obama economy.

Remember, propaganda is all about emotional reaction.
Every consider changing professions? I think Pravda or Xinhua would welcome you with open arms.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
And yet you are so easy to string along. It is almost as if you are every bit as petty.
You need to find yourself a fun hobby that you can unwind with. I sense a lot of needless hostility over... well, nothing.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
The stock market has been climbing since 2009 anyone with Google can look that up. Maybe you just invested in bad stock under Obama, but I don't see how that's his fault.
You are correct, but many factors influence the market. As the Revoltingist pointed out in some other thread the interest rate was one of the major reason the stock market is up. When the interest rate is low smart investors put their money in the market, let's look at the facts for the Dow Jones

3-10-09 6926.49
11-04-16 17888.28
a rise of 10961.79 points or approx 158% in 92 months or about 1.72% a month
11-04-16 17888.28
8-02-17 22016.24 a rise of 4127.92 points or approx 23% in almost 9 months or about 2.55% a month

Now given that the interest rates have not changed one would say that the election of President Trump has had a more positive affect on the stock market than the Obama did. Or course one can not predict what the stock market will do in the next months/years. However, the economy outlook is favorable for this year and next. However, if the Republicans can not get their **** together and pass a comprehensive tax plan all bets are off.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
However, the economy outlook is favorable for this year and next.
In fact, the economy has improved so much over the last eight years that interest rates are going to go up in the near future. Which will take a bite out of the DOW, as other investments look better. Will that fall be credited to Obama or blamed on Trump?
Tom
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
And I suppose you think your soft hearted social lubricant where you feign sincerity is a better facilitator. I have seen how wishy-washy you can be, at least I am honest about who I am and what I think.
FISHING! Now there is a good place to start. Sure, it is disappointing when you don't catch anything but the peace and quiet? Can't beat it! Antiquing is another good one but it requires a bit more money. If you are more creative still life drawing is a nice change of pace along with amateur photography!
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
FISHING! Now there is a good place to start. Sure, it is disappointing when you don't catch anything but the peace and quiet? Can't beat it! Antiquing is another good one but it requires a bit more money. If you are more creative still life drawing is a nice change of pace along with amateur photography!
I write poetry and short fiction. I read and I am currently learning how to cook. I also enjoy playing video games with my friends, hiking, biking and just taking a walk. I am 6 foot and sexy as heck. If any of this interest you send me a PM with ASL, stats and pic. You won't regret it.;)
 
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esmith

Veteran Member
In fact, the economy has improved so much over the last eight years that interest rates are going to go up in the near future. Which will take a bite out of the DOW, as other investments look better. Will that fall be credited to Obama or blamed on Trump?
Tom
Well the only reasons interest rates would go up is if inflation rate increases beyond the normal or the unemployment rate is lower than normal. . One would have to know why inflation increased and what affect it would have on the stock market. Also the stock market could go down for many reasons. However if it was due to a direct action of the Executive branch of the government and it affected the stock market drastically it would be the Presidents fault. However there is not much the President can do to really affect the stock market in a negative matter, at least as far as I know. How about you?
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
I write poetry and short fiction. I read and I am currently learning how to cook. I also enjoy playing video games with my friends, hiking, biking and just taking a walk. I am 6 foot and sexy as heck. If any of this interest you send me a PM with ASL, stats and pic. You won't regret it.;)
Finally! I have always been too shy!
 

Eliab ben Benjamin

Active Member
Premium Member
I write poetry and short fiction. I read and I am currently learning how to cook. I also enjoy playing video games with my friends, hiking, biking and just taking a walk. I am 6 foot and sexy as heck. If any of this interest you send me a PM with ASL, stats and pic. You won't regret it.;)

Smile a blessing we all have skills that make the world a treasure of diversity thank Hashem ..

I collect and restore old clocks, volunteer in the local charity shop, occasionally and serve as a paramedic. VP of Head Injury Soc. and as a now retired ex hospital tech..
i sit at home and get lost in the PC world.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Absolutely wrong. My 401k was totally stagnant under Obama. No significant growth until Trump. Leave it to a liberal to lay claim to someone else's accomplishments.
Whether it was your 401-K that was affected or not is irrelevant in terms of what happened as so many people lost a lot of money when the economy tanked under Bush. It's not a "liberal" or "conservative", thingy-- it's simply basic economics and the news that you must have slept through, so here's a quick refresher link: Great Recession - Wikipedia
 
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