Locksport

[McBell]

I recently got involved in this hobby and basically was wondering if there are other members who are involved.

For more information:

Locksport - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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[JustGeorge]

I recently got involved in this hobby and basically was wondering if there are other members who are involved.

For more information:

Locksport - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Sounds like a good hobby for my son.

He's obsessed with keys. The locksmith knows him by name.

He wanted me to take him recently. Had picked out a very specific blank key, and had some letters and numbers written on a paper.

He got in there and barked something at her. I told her I was sorry, but I didn't know what he was asking. She smiled and said "I do." Took his key and paper, went in the back, and came back with a cut key. Apparently, he'd figured out the locksmith codes. She said that key was free of charge.

 

[McBell]

Elgin
No Belt Rank



Brinks Laminated
Yellow Belt



Masterlock 410 LOTO
Green Belt

 

[Revoltingest]

I recently got involved in this hobby and basically was wondering if there are other members who are involved.

For more information:

Locksport - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

​

​

I learned to pick locks because it was useful
as a landlord. But I was/am pretty bad at it.
I still re-pin locks occasionally.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sounds like a good hobby for my son.

He's obsessed with keys. The locksmith knows him by name.

He wanted me to take him recently. Had picked out a very specific blank key, and had some letters and numbers written on a paper.

He got in there and barked something at her. I told her I was sorry, but I didn't know what he was asking. She smiled and said "I do." Took his key and paper, went in the back, and came back with a cut key. Apparently, he'd figured out the locksmith codes. She said that key was free of charge.

I could speak "key" with him, eg, the advantages
of 6 pin vs 5 pin tumblers, shortcomings of a
grandmaster system, pinning interchangeable
core locks, Dexter 67 compatibility with KW1.

A basic pick kit & some junk locks for practice
would be hours of fun fun fun!

 

[JustGeorge]

I could speak "key" with him, eg, the advantages
of 6 pin vs 5 pin tumblers, shortcomings of a
grandmaster system, pinning interchangeable
core locks, Dexter 67 compatibility with KW1.

Stuff that would go over my head.

 

[Revoltingest]

Stuff that would go over my head.

You're not a lock geek.
That's a good thing.

 

[JustGeorge]

You're not a lock geek.
That's a good thing.

Why is it a good thing?

 

[Revoltingest]

Why is it a good thing?

Not obsessing over locks & keys
frees up time for gardening.

Oh, the many hundreds of hours
I've spent just designing & using
my extensive key & lock database.

 

[McBell]

I learned to pick locks because it was useful
as a landlord. But I was/am pretty bad at it.
I still re-pin locks occasionally.

I was a property manager for a mobile home park (64 units) for quite some time.
During which I got quite proficient at bypassing locks.

Since getting involved with locksport I have learned that I was not "picking" locks as I thought.

The real difference between picking and bypassing is the manipulation of the inside pins, be them tumble, dimple, wafer, disc, etc.
If you do not set them to the shear line to open the lock it is not considered "picking"
At least not in locksport.

And then there is the halfway technique of "raking" a lock.....

I am learning it is much more complicated than I thought.
But still fun.

 

[McBell]

Sounds like a good hobby for my son.

He's obsessed with keys. The locksmith knows him by name.

He wanted me to take him recently. Had picked out a very specific blank key, and had some letters and numbers written on a paper.

He got in there and barked something at her. I told her I was sorry, but I didn't know what he was asking. She smiled and said "I do." Took his key and paper, went in the back, and came back with a cut key. Apparently, he'd figured out the locksmith codes. She said that key was free of charge.

My apologies.
I thought I had replied to your above post and have just noticed that I have not.


I am not sure if you are familiar with Lishi tools.
They have a couple different styles, some that will pick the lock and then let you decode the key and some that let you decode the key with out having to pick the lock.

I have been wanting to get my hands one some, but they are currently out of my price range.

Then there is the art of Impressioning

Impressioning is a non-destructive, covert method of creating a working key for a lock without picking or disassembly. Impressioning is one of the most useful skills in locksmithing, and is divided between copying and manipulation techniques. Copying focuses on making negative-image molds of a source key, while manipulation uses various techniques to determine the proper heights of internal components. Impressioning via manipulation is closely related to decoding.​

My wife got me a Replicant for our anniversary and I have been having a blast with it.

It is a Key-based Impressioning technique that requires you already have the key.

Manipulation-based Impressioning is much more complex but also fun.
Though it requires a lot more patience that key-based.
And I mean a lot more patience.

 

[JustGeorge]

My apologies.
I thought I had replied to your above post and have just noticed that I have not.


I am not sure if you are familiar with Lishi tools.
They have a couple different styles, some that will pick the lock and then let you decode the key and some that let you decode the key with out having to pick the lock.

I have been wanting to get my hands one some, but they are currently out of my price range.

Then there is the art of Impressioning

Impressioning is a non-destructive, covert method of creating a working key for a lock without picking or disassembly. Impressioning is one of the most useful skills in locksmithing, and is divided between copying and manipulation techniques. Copying focuses on making negative-image molds of a source key, while manipulation uses various techniques to determine the proper heights of internal components. Impressioning via manipulation is closely related to decoding.​

My wife got me a Replicant for our anniversary and I have been having a blast with it.

It is a Key-based Impressioning technique that requires you already have the key.

Manipulation-based Impressioning is much more complex but also fun.
Though it requires a lot more patience that key-based.
And I mean a lot more patience.

Wondering if that Replicant might be a good birthday present for the lad...

 

[McBell]

Wondering if that Replicant might be a good birthday present for the lad...

My grand daughter, who is 6, will bring me random keys and ask to replicate them.
After a bit of practice it actually quite easy and so long as one is mindful and careful it is a lot safer than one might think.

Though if you do get him one, I would advise you wait at least four hours after casting before retrieving the key.

The maker of the Replicant also has an instructional/demonstration video as well as printable written instructions for it.

 

[Revoltingest]

I was a property manager for a mobile home park (64 units) for quite some time.
During which I got quite proficient at bypassing locks.

Since getting involved with locksport I have learned that I was not "picking" locks as I thought.

The real difference between picking and bypassing is the manipulation of the inside pins, be them tumble, dimple, wafer, disc, etc.
If you do not set them to the shear line to open the lock it is not considered "picking"
At least not in locksport.

Correct.
Residential locks here are all deadbolts with pin tumblers.
Bypassing isn't possible. So I picked some. This was
necessary when tenants changed locks, & moved out.
They never gave us keys.

And then there is the halfway technique of "raking" a lock.....

My son is good at that.
I never used the technique.

I am learning it is much more complicated than I thought.
But still fun.

I was never able to get a pick gun to work.
And I had a plug spinner, but never needed it.
I rekeyed....
Dexter 67 (ie, Jet# DE6)
Schlage (Jet# SC1 & SC4)
Best 1A1A1 <-- Interchangeable cores are finicky.
Many more pins...smaller pins.
I really had to keep my key duplicator well
adjusted, & use alignment wires in order
to make reliable copies.

My son just gave me back my pick kit.
He upgraded to one with more & better tools.
And Lishi tools. They work really well.

 

[Revoltingest]

I just upgraded some of my combination
padlock configurations to these. If Bosnian
Bill approves of'm, they're plenty good for me.

 

[Revoltingest]

My apologies.
I thought I had replied to your above post and have just noticed that I have not.


I am not sure if you are familiar with Lishi tools.
They have a couple different styles, some that will pick the lock and then let you decode the key and some that let you decode the key with out having to pick the lock.

I have been wanting to get my hands one some, but they are currently out of my price range.

Then there is the art of Impressioning

Impressioning is a non-destructive, covert method of creating a working key for a lock without picking or disassembly. Impressioning is one of the most useful skills in locksmithing, and is divided between copying and manipulation techniques. Copying focuses on making negative-image molds of a source key, while manipulation uses various techniques to determine the proper heights of internal components. Impressioning via manipulation is closely related to decoding.​

My wife got me a Replicant for our anniversary and I have been having a blast with it.

It is a Key-based Impressioning technique that requires you already have the key.

Manipulation-based Impressioning is much more complex but also fun.
Though it requires a lot more patience that key-based.
And I mean a lot more patience.

I wouldn't mind having a replcant.
But they're expensive.
And not available yet.

 

[Kathryn]

If this has to do with tons of keys, my brother who is schizophrenic had a complete meltdown about bunches of keys of all things. He would not lock his front door with a key in fact.

 

[JustGeorge]

If this has to do with tons of keys, my brother who is schizophrenic had a complete meltdown about bunches of keys of all things. He would not lock his front door with a key in fact.

What sets him off about them?

 

[Kathryn]

What sets him off about them?

I don't really know to be completely honest.

 

[JustGeorge]

I don't really know to be completely honest.

Does he like or dislike them?