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Look Who's a Believer now...

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richardlowellt

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QUOTE=Man of Faith;1747020]It's about atheists like yourself that will one day believe. How could that happen? It would have to be supernatural IMO.
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[/QUOTE]Good point, and since there is no such thing as "supernatural" it will never happen.
 
Amill

Amill

Apikoros
Wait, so he basically converted back to Christianity because he felt that humans were more special than other animals? What the hell caused him to lose his faith in the first place?

It's appears as if he just chose to go back to Christianity, not that he was convinced the stories were true.
 
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Nepenthe

Tu Stultus Es
Dunemeister said:
You may slap your forehead and laugh all you like, these reasons seem perfectly fine to me. It's perfectly reasonable to see such human behaviors as spirituality, anxiety over questions of death and meaning in life, moral reasoning/awareness, and so forth as pointing to our essential nature as spiritual. That doesn't take away to our physicality, it adds to it. Now, one may well disagree; one might think (erroneously, in my view) that these things can all be reduced to something physical. But that's a controversial metaphysical view. And although the view has lots of support, the arguments for it are weak. So it's entirely understandable that someone who honestly reflects on these things might say "You know what? My previous Christian view fits better with all this than my current atheological one." This is a position one might philosophically debate, but it's not something to slap your head over.
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It is something to slap my head over and laugh at when he alleges Darwinism (whatever he means by that) degrades humanity. "Simple anthropoid apes" can't account for language, love or music? He creates a strawman in claiming that somehow evolution denies these things. The godless who accept a physical universe with no supernatural component can love and make and appreciate music just as much as anyone else. As for the language thing- I haven't a clue what nonsense he means there.
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As for the second reason, it's really about why he lost his faith originally. The "it" is the generally antireligious culture in Britain. Arguably, Britain is far more secular than the USA, and antireligious sentiment there is much stronger. If the culture at large berates and mocks Christianity, it's much more difficult to hold to the faith. That's all he's saying here. For Wilson, the generally negative attitude toward religious faith in his culture (as he experienced it) eroded the confidence he once had in Christianity. Again, this is understandable, not laughable.
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No, what Wilson says is "...Christopher Hitchens and the geneticist Richard Dawkins, who think all the evil in the world is actually caused by religion." which is ridiculous because they do not claim that. That's head slappingly stupid.
 
arimoff

arimoff

Active Member
Amill said:
Wait, so he basically converted back to Christianity because he felt that humans were more special than other animals? What the hell caused him to lose his faith in the first place?

I guess he couldn't decide in whose image he wants to be created, in G-D or in chimpanzee.;):D
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Copernicus

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Nepenthe said:
No, what Wilson says is "...Christopher Hitchens and the geneticist Richard Dawkins, who think all the evil in the world is actually caused by religion." which is ridiculous because they do not claim that. That's head slappingly stupid.
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Indeed, they actually go out of their way to deny that that is their claim. They anticipated that their arguments would be attacked that way, but that doesn't mean that their critics won't repeat the lie incessantly to try to give it the ring of truth.
 
Heneni

Heneni

Miss Independent
It is true that conversion goes both ways. People leave the faith and join the faith everyday. But not all of us wrote books about God's funeral. I think that given his previous surity about the non-existance of God, so sure that he wrote a book about it, and now to have turned must surely mean that he has become equally sure of his new stance.

If anything his conversion must have been brought about by such surity that he brought into disrepute his own reputation among the non-believers at the expense of believing. That says something about his character and his new found faith in my opinion.

Heneni
 
Perfect Circle

Perfect Circle

Just Browsing
Phasmid said:
And where exactly did I deny this? I'm merely saying that they're popping up more than ever thanks to the Internet and such.

Futher: They still sound like whiney *****es half the time. To each their own. Let people believe what they like.
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I didn't say you denied anything... You did however say that they're "popping up more than ever." I don't think there are any more of them than there have been in the past, I just think that they're getting more media exposure as they are attacked by religious groups.
 
Wandered Off

Wandered Off

Sporadic Driveby Member
The fact that he lost his non-belief just proves he was never a real atheist in the first place.





(Just kidding - I have known preachers who say that those who lose their faith never really had it - bugs me snotless. :D)
 
tumbleweed41

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Look who's a non-Christian now!!!

A former Baptist Youth Leader.
A former Baptist Deacon.

Me!
(I need to write a book to get some exposure....)
 
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