whirlingmerc
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I understand it quite well.
Often the issue is not in the data but the assumptions taken religiously before looking at the data by evolutionists
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Looking for a debate with creationists (I am an atheist)
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I understand it quite well.
Often the issue is not in the data but the assumptions taken religiously before looking at the data by evolutionists
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
YOU! You exist, no one can account for your consciousness. The Law of Conservation of Matter/Energy cannot account for your physical existence.
Except you, conveniently? You're going to say "god is the one to account for your consciousness."
Good luck showing that with evidence.
No, but evolution and abiogenesis(or any other workable origin hypothesis, just pick one) can. Hell, even your... "Hypothesis" accounts for physical existence: By creating them out of dust with a command ala magic.
I've a feeling it's more of a case of "wishing it to be so, in order to have your strange world view, but without having any argumentative power to explain it convincingly."
Any multiple things can account for existence, some more convincing than others. Yours among the least convincing, with magic and supernatural abilities involved.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, you really really do not. You do not even understand the basics of science, how can you understand the reality that you deny?
And like most creationists, you do not respect the Ninth Commandment.
Here is an offer, let's go over the concept of scientific evidence and the scientific method. Then you will not be so likely to risk your soul.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Why do you think that is the case? I am betting that you do not understand those laws.
God is an All Knowing Being Who created the process of evolution.
I think he asked for "evidence," not your private definition.
Anyway, i personally hold the belief that Al Gore is an all knowing being who created the process of evolution. My evidence? My gut feelings, obviously.
Consequently, if that's your best evidence for creationism, then you literally won't have any evidence for creationism.
You do realize that this is a futile issue to debate as most folks on both sides already have their minds made up.
If you get past the gospels and the good bits, you'll find this at the end of the New Testament referring to Christ:
His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
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The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia [180 miles].
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And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”
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The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia [180 miles].
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And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”
I guess "love your enemies" was just too hard for Christians to deal with, so they had to change things up a bit to fit their desire for blood and vengeance a little better. That Christ of the peaceful Beatitudes stuff didn't have enough killing for them. Not enough bloodshed of the enemy to satisfy their lust for vengeance.
That God is the source of being, is not a claim for the pseudoscience of Creationism and it's substandard theories being considered valid science. I believe all that is arises from God as the source of existence itself. But I don't need to deny everything that science shows us to be true about the universe, and the evolution of life on earth. There is no need to.
Do you find a need to deny science in order to have faith in God? If so, how come so many other Christians don't feel a need to like you do? Why would it be a problem for you, and not for other Christians, if you were to accept the consensus of all the sciences?
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That's what makes the Bible so popular.
A wide range of beliefs and ethical stuff gives everyone a way to support their own personal predilections with an assertion starting "God says...". From the Conquistadors to MLK Jr, you can believe almost anything and the Bible will agree with you somewhere.
Tom
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Argument from ignorance fallacy.
There is no such thing as the "Law of Conservation of Matter/Energy" - "matter" isn't even a well defined scientific term. Even if we do conclude that we do not know (scientifically) why everything exists, theists have an exactly equivalent problem. Basically, a god who just happens to exist for no known reason, who creates a universe, is no less mysterious and unexplained than a universe by itself that just happens to exist for no known reason.
tas8831
Well-Known Member
I will not watch some dopey religious video, especially one featuring a documented liar.
Explain your assertion.
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tas8831
Well-Known Member
You should try reading Hosea 13:16 where God orders the slaughter of infants and fetuses. Moral.
But do that after you explain what is so pro-creationism about "birth."
tas8831
Well-Known Member
A waste of time to debate with people that claim decades of scientific study yet whose primary arguments against the science presented to them is to whine that it has 'too much jargon'.
tas8831
Well-Known Member
Engineer....
tas8831
Well-Known Member
Stroke comes to mind.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Yes indeed. Though bear in mind the Apocalypse was written at a time of great persecution of the early church. Some of it strikes me as unbalanced, to say the least, especially when compared to the gospels and epistles.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
An engineer should still have a good understanding of the basics of science. Of course some engineers merely follow equations without understanding them.
tas8831
Well-Known Member
One would think.
Weird thing - engineers that are also creationists seem to totally forget their training when they talk about evolution.