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Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
It's My Birthday!
Thus far, with all the health setbacks I have received, God's not exactly doing a knock-up job at letting me know he exists.

My views based on my experiences...

God is omnipresent. That means every interaction we have is an interaction with God.
God hides. God wears many masks. Someone told me that Allah accepts all prayers to God regardless of the specifics of the belief. So it's ok to find a belief that gives you peace and comfort.
God is not always your best buddy. Sometimes God is your adversary. Israel means to struggle with God. There's no guarantee that God will make your life better.

Life is against you and life is a struggle. This is what God put in place. Up to you to overcome the bad to create good. Religion is for your benefit. It's there to help you in your struggle, but it can also act as an adversary to your progress. No guarantees.

Live the moral life and avoid the temptation to do otherwise. That's all you have to do. If you find a religion or belief to help you with this, great. It'll will still be up to you to create good in your life.
 
Dear desperate,
First let me say that God is everywhere. You only have to look at yourself and the world around you to see the marvellous handiwork of God the Creator.
Romans 1:20:- For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
As I have often said: ‘The whole world is dysfunctional, and everyone in it is dysfunctional, and we are all dysfunctional if different ways, and the end of the dysfunction is death.’ The whole world is dysfunctional because of sin, and because man wants his own way and is rebellious against a perfect Holy and Righteous God.
This fallen world is thankfully not all that there is, Christ has prepared another world which is perfect and where people do want to be with Him. Christ came and died for us, so that we don’t have to go to Hell (the spiritual rubbish dump). He died and rose again to show that He does indeed have power over life and death. What a marvellous Saviour, what a friend. I’ll leave you with the following guidelines. Don’t waste time, get yourself a Bible and read it for yourself. The very reason you are reading this is because the Spirit of God has lead you to read it.
The Gospel in a nutshell………………………………………..………..1 Corinthians 15:1-4
All have sinned………………………………………………………..………Romans 3:23
Consequences of sin…………………………………………………..……Romans 6:23
God’s great Desire……………………………………………………….....John 3:16
God’s great sacrifice…………………………………………………….….1 Peter 3:18
New Birth necessary………………………………………………………..John 3:3
Sinners’ responsibilities:-
Believe……………………………………………………………...John 3:36
Repent……………………………………………………………….Acts 17:30
Confess……………………………………………………………...Romans 10:9
Receive……………………………………………………………...John 1:12
You are a new creation in Christ………………………………….….2 Corinthians 5:17
New Believers’ Responsibilities:-
Attend Church…………………………………………….…….Hebrews 10:25
Study the Word of God……………………………….…….2 Timothy 2:15
Pray regularly……………………………………………………1 Thessalonians 5:17
Tell others about Christ……………………………..……..Mark 5:19
Don’t despair when hard times come………..……..Matthew 10:22
Partake of the Holy Communion………………………1 Corinthians 11:23
I will pray for you,
Albert Brownsey
Certainty for Eternity

"And because man wants his own way,"
Dear desperate,
First let me say that God is everywhere. You only have to look at yourself and the world around you to see the marvellous handiwork of God the Creator.
Romans 1:20:- For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
As I have often said: ‘The whole world is dysfunctional, and everyone in it is dysfunctional, and we are all dysfunctional if different ways, and the end of the dysfunction is death.’ The whole world is dysfunctional because of sin, and because man wants his own way and is rebellious against a perfect Holy and Righteous God.
This fallen world is thankfully not all that there is, Christ has prepared another world which is perfect and where people do want to be with Him. Christ came and died for us, so that we don’t have to go to Hell (the spiritual rubbish dump). He died and rose again to show that He does indeed have power over life and death. What a marvellous Saviour, what a friend. I’ll leave you with the following guidelines. Don’t waste time, get yourself a Bible and read it for yourself. The very reason you are reading this is because the Spirit of God has lead you to read it.
The Gospel in a nutshell………………………………………..………..1 Corinthians 15:1-4
All have sinned………………………………………………………..………Romans 3:23
Consequences of sin…………………………………………………..……Romans 6:23
God’s great Desire……………………………………………………….....John 3:16
God’s great sacrifice…………………………………………………….….1 Peter 3:18
New Birth necessary………………………………………………………..John 3:3
Sinners’ responsibilities:-
Believe……………………………………………………………...John 3:36
Repent……………………………………………………………….Acts 17:30
Confess……………………………………………………………...Romans 10:9
Receive……………………………………………………………...John 1:12
You are a new creation in Christ………………………………….….2 Corinthians 5:17
New Believers’ Responsibilities:-
Attend Church…………………………………………….…….Hebrews 10:25
Study the Word of God……………………………….…….2 Timothy 2:15
Pray regularly……………………………………………………1 Thessalonians 5:17
Tell others about Christ……………………………..……..Mark 5:19
Don’t despair when hard times come………..……..Matthew 10:22
Partake of the Holy Communion………………………1 Corinthians 11:23
I will pray for you,
Albert Brownsey
Certainty for Eternity
“It is our certainty, but it is lost the moment we begin to regard it as our certainty. We are certain only as long as we look at the content of our certainty and not at the rational or irrational experiences in which we have received it. Looking at ourselves and our certainty as ours, we discover its weakness, its vulnerability to every critical thought; we discover the small amount of probability which our reasoning can give to the idea of God and to the reality of Christ. We discover the contradictions in the emotional side of our religious life, its oscillation between ecstatic confidence and despairing doubt. But looking at God, we realize that all the shortcomings of our experience do not have Him as an object of our knowledge, but that He has us as the subject of our existence. Looking at God we feel that we cannot escape Him even by making Him an object of skeptical arguments or of irresistible emotions. We realize that in our uncertainty there is one fixed point of certainty, however we may name it and describe it and explain it. We may not comprehend, but we are comprehended. We may not grasp anything in the depth of our uncertainty, but that we are grasped by something ultimate, which keeps us in its grasp and from which we may strive in vain to escape, remains absolutely certain.” The New Being, Paul Tillich, p. 77.


“The fear of death determines the element of anxiety in every fear. Anxiety, if not modified by the fear of an object, anxiety in its nadedness, is always the anxiety of ultimate nonbeing. Immediately seen, anxiety is the painful feeling of not being able to deal with the threat of a special situation. But a more exact analysis shows that in the anxiety about any special situation anxiety about the human situation as such is implied. It is the anxiety of not being able to preserve one's own being which underlies every fear and is the frightening element in it. In the moment, therefore, in which “naked anxiety” lays hold of the mind, the previous objects of fear cease to be definite objects. They appear as what they always were in part, symptoms of man's basic anxiety. As such they are beyond the reach of even the most courageous attack upon them.” The Courage To Be, Paul Tillich, p. 38, 39.


The idea of a heaven and a hell comes to us from the Dante's Divine Comedy. Hell, in the OT was the hole in the ground that one gets buried in. Heaven, is some imaginary place God will be found. Neither is defined in the Bible as a place one goes for their sins or where one goes for being good. What is good and what is bad is then defined both by the Church and the Bible. The Church takes it further stating, teaching that there are three types of sin and, that there is no way to reach heaven without being Catholic. Doctrine and Canon law dictates the path one will take in life should one choose, sin over love or, love over sin.


If you choose to believe in a heaven and hell, then you must soothe your anxiety in the precepts that you will learn about, whether Catholic, Protestant or some Pagan religion.


I see how my Dad's ( whom I take care of) anxiety gets the best of him. A Catholic that does not understand his on belief system ( faith is understood here by most Christians but then the word faith is being misused as such.) He is near his end of life and struggles with dementia. I stopped taking him to mass and I have Stephens Ministry come to administer communion once a week. Imagine the Playboy magazine laying beside him as he receives communion.


Sorry to hear about your struggle with life. With that, my reply is a take off of Albert Brownsey's reply to you. I am doing so because Albert said something profound, “and because man wants his won way. . .”.


Mankind neither knows God nor can mankind say where God is. The best we can imagine is that God is spiritual and man is temporal. Mankind has no idea what what or where God is. All is only man's perception.

I wish you peace as you struggle with life.
 

kal-el

5 Hour Energy enthusiast
Thanks for all the replies, some of them really thought out, I appreciate that!

I just feel so overwhelmed. Like I said, I really need to get something that God cares, or even exists. I'd feel comfort in knowing that there is a plan, as I was born diseased; my genes were plotting to kill me before I was born. The doctors told my parents I wouldn't live to see grade school, and here I am in my mid 30s.

Is it God's plan that I live a diseased life?
 
Thanks for all the replies, some of them really thought out, I appreciate that!

I just feel so overwhelmed. Like I said, I really need to get something that God cares, or even exists. I'd feel comfort in knowing that there is a plan, as I was born diseased; my genes were plotting to kill me before I was born. The doctors told my parents I wouldn't live to see grade school, and here I am in my mid 30s.

Is it God's plan that I live a diseased life?

No. God's creation is perfect and therefore God does not need to change that creation. Which brings about the question why all the suffering. If you study the Bible then you will learn that suffering is a very integral part of creation. It is what you do with your life that is important whether you suffer as Job did or if you live a privileged life. The Church states that heaven is on earth.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Thanks for all the replies, some of them really thought out, I appreciate that!

I just feel so overwhelmed. Like I said, I really need to get something that God cares, or even exists. I'd feel comfort in knowing that there is a plan, as I was born diseased; my genes were plotting to kill me before I was born. The doctors told my parents I wouldn't live to see grade school, and here I am in my mid 30s.

Is it God's plan that I live a diseased life?
I could throw out words but what good are words when you are faced with terrible genetics? I could write that I believe there is a plan but why would you believe something I wrote unless your heart told you I was right?

But maybe a few thoughts might be helpful.

One is that you are asking the fundamental question: is there meaning and purpose to life, specifically your life. There's no question more central than that as I see it.

The second is that no one can give you the answer you seek. Perhaps we can give you things to think about but the answer has to feel utterly true to you.

The third has been called a Celtic prayer and a Yogic mantra. But it is one that is very attractive to me and I hope to you. I offer it as a prayer that you find what you are seeking:

May the Long Time Sun Shine Upon You,
All Love Surround You,
And the Pure Light Within You,
Guide Your Way On
 

chinu

chinu
Hello all. Let me start off by saying that I really don't know where I stand...with regards to religion. I really want to believe, as personally I have a terminal illness and day to day is such a hardship. It would alleviate a lot knowing someone is in charge. However I have seen no evidence that God exists.

I guess this question is for believers. How can I get God in my life? How can I be a believer?

Thus far, with all the health setbacks I have received, God's not exactly doing a knock-up job at letting me know he exists.
Don't worry, you are also a believer that's why you started this thread. If you would't be a believer than you would not have never started this thread. In fact, all people on this earth are just believers (like you) Nobody has seen God in real. There's a very big difference between seeing in REAL and BELIEVING.

As far as about your health issues. I can only say that health-issues are just the result of our past deeds.
 
Don't worry, you are also a believer that's why you started this thread. If you would't be a believer than you would not have never started this thread. In fact, all people on this earth are just believers (like you) Nobody has seen God in real. There's a very big difference between seeing in REAL and BELIEVING.

As far as about your health issues. I can only say that health-issues are just the result of our past deeds.
I cannot disagree more with your stoicism. Christian courage is not the same as Stoic courage. Stoic courage refers to an inherent suffering, whereas with Christian courage refers to suffering as we experience it. Your stoic suffering, as you have referred to as being inherent does not apply to this young man's inherited condition. His genetics has nothing to do with past deeds.
 
Hello all. Let me start off by saying that I really don't know where I stand...with regards to religion. I really want to believe, as personally I have a terminal illness and day to day is such a hardship. It would alleviate a lot knowing someone is in charge. However I have seen no evidence that God exists.

I guess this question is for believers. How can I get God in my life? How can I be a believer?

Thus far, with all the health setbacks I have received, God's not exactly doing a knock-up job at letting me know he exists.

First off,I am sorry to hear about your current situation.Let me begin with some things about God.God does not come into your life just because one is having health issues.There are many who are in situations where they are being killed off and tortured, and they never knew God.God chooses those who have good hearts and want to know Him.If we earnestly seek God, and wholeheartedly want to know Him, He will make Himself known to us.We must do as the holy scriptures says.We must pray to God and beg Him for understanding.The holy scriptures says this can only happen by way of grace.God must bestow this upon us.It is not something one learns in a university or any other schooling.Only God can help us understand.One cannot try to use human wisdom to try to understand godly wisdom.God does this by way of His holy spirit.This is the only way.

If we pray and read the holy scriptures,studying,He will make himself known to you and provide answers.But we must search as if searching for silver.Gold is near the surface and easy to find in streams.But silver is to be found deep in the earth and it is hard to find.That is how one must seek God's truth.Like hidden treasure.

Proverbs 2:3-5.…3For if you cry for discernment, Lift your voice for understanding; 4 If you seek her as silver And search for her as for hidden treasures;5 Then you will discern the fear of the LORD And discover the knowledge of God.…
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Thanks for all the replies, some of them really thought out, I appreciate that!

I just feel so overwhelmed. Like I said, I really need to get something that God cares, or even exists. I'd feel comfort in knowing that there is a plan, as I was born diseased; my genes were plotting to kill me before I was born. The doctors told my parents I wouldn't live to see grade school, and here I am in my mid 30s.

Is it God's plan that I live a diseased life?

Your life is not without the context of the lives of others.

Simply by coming here, your life has influenced those of everyone reading your story. Who can say but the Weavers what that will ultimately mean, but there is influence.

Death comes for us all, sooner or later. But to me, when we die isn't important. What's important is how we die. There's a conception in the Nordic view of Death: to those who fear dying, She appears ugly and hideous, where looking upon her will invoke the greatest fright of all; to those who don't fear dying, She appears as the most beautiful and radiant figure that could be seen.

I think my question to you would be this: regardless of whatever "plan" this or that God may have, what is your plan to do with your life?
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Hello all. Let me start off by saying that I really don't know where I stand...with regards to religion. I really want to believe, as personally I have a terminal illness and day to day is such a hardship. It would alleviate a lot knowing someone is in charge. However I have seen no evidence that God exists.

I guess this question is for believers. How can I get God in my life? How can I be a believer?

Thus far, with all the health setbacks I have received, God's not exactly doing a knock-up job at letting me know he exists.
I am sorry to hear about your illness. What helped me to know the truth about God is a careful study of the Bible. You can find truthful answers to questions about God here, IMO.
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
Thanks for all the replies, some of them really thought out, I appreciate that!

I just feel so overwhelmed. Like I said, I really need to get something that God cares, or even exists. I'd feel comfort in knowing that there is a plan, as I was born diseased; my genes were plotting to kill me before I was born. The doctors told my parents I wouldn't live to see grade school, and here I am in my mid 30s.

Is it God's plan that I live a diseased life?

I am sorry to hear your story. Just have patience.

Everything that happens in our life is only a part of this life. No one ever said that life would be easy and fun. I can assure you that you would find million of people who have everything you dream of having but still their life is miserable and can't find peace.

If you take one step towards God and you were sincere, you will find answers for your questions. I say pray for God and approach things logically.

Many people have told you to read the bible, but I would tell you to read the Quraan if you asked me to what should I read. However, I wonder if that is what you are asking in the first place.


Finally I would advise you not to search for where do you as today's person fit, but search for the truth. Don't choose to belong to something because you need to be part of something, but instead look for the truth.

Find the truth and it will set you free.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
I am sorry you are dealing with such overwhelming health issues. I don't believe it was God's original design or desire that you or anyone suffer with debilitating disease, yet we live in a fallen world and each of us face daily, in one way or another, the negative effects of sin upon this world and our lives. Have you sincerely and simply called out to God to reveal Himself to you? I believe He will respond.

The Lord is near to all who call upon Him,
To all who call upon Him in truth.
He will fulfill the desire of those who fear Him;
He also will hear their cry and save them. Psalm 145;18-19
 

Renji

Well-Known Member
Hello all. Let me start off by saying that I really don't know where I stand...with regards to religion. I really want to believe, as personally I have a terminal illness and day to day is such a hardship. It would alleviate a lot knowing someone is in charge. However I have seen no evidence that God exists.

I guess this question is for believers. How can I get God in my life? How can I be a believer?

Thus far, with all the health setbacks I have received, God's not exactly doing a knock-up job at letting me know he exists.

Well, what religion sort of fit your interest and beliefs? Perhaps, how do you think you can find god(s)? Welcome to the forum! :)
 
So, you think it this way ?
Okay :)
God and Human Suffering, Douglas John Hall, p.53; "Biblical faith on the contrary, while acknowledging that creaturely being implies certain forms of suffering (or the conditions under which certain forms of suffering are likely) contains at the same time a fundamental and ongoing polemic against the deterministic assumption that suffering as we experience it under the conditions of historical existence is built into the process, that "whatever will be, will be."

I suspect that anyone that gets a cold, is sick because of their past sins. You have placed the horse before the cart, Stoic. I suggest that you revisit your understanding of Stoicism.
 
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