Looking for Scripture Explicitly Forbidding Same-Sex Marriage

[McBell]

With each other, or course...

So is that a yes?
Does that mean men who are impotent can never be married outside the legal contract?

 

[McBell]

Yes. That's how it's always worked. That's why it's called 'consummation' it consummates the marriage, makes it valid.

Wow.
Interesting how much extra baggage gets added to a legal contract.

 

[BSM1]

So is that a yes?
Does that mean men who are impotent can never be married outside the legal contract?

Wasn't exactly where I was going...

 

[Jainarayan]

Yes. That's how it's always worked. That's why it's called 'consummation' it consummates the marriage, makes it valid.

So, you have to make soup for a marriage to be valid?

Oh wait, that's consummé. Nevermind.

 

[McBell]

Wasn't exactly where I was going...

Where were you going?

And you did not address the question about impotence.

 

[ronandcarol]

Leviticus 18:22
"'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

ronandcarol

 

[GodsVoice]

As the program is played out, all those random wavelengths that contain God's thoughts and strung out into frequencies will give you a defined make believe world to live in.

 

[BSM1]

Where were you going?

And you did not address the question about impotence.

You asked if a couple need to have sex to have a marriage, and I-jokingly-said with each other and.....oh, never mind.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@Skwim

It's implied not verbatim. Marriage is between male and female (Proverbs 12:4)

Ephesians 5:22-33

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church.33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.​

Christ is married to the Church which, the Church, is referred to as She. There is a lot of content that shows marriage, in biblical days according to scripture authors are between man and woman.

If there was no law written down that killing was wrong but instead the value of life was written in books, why would we think killing is right (morally) given it's not written in the law books (hypothetical question).

In the Bible (and in biblical culture), sex is performed within marriage. In the Bible, homosexuality is considered promiscuity and, like lust between male/female, performed outside of marriage is a sin.

Why would marriage be between male/male and female/female in the Bible when once married, they cannot consummate their love and procreate-which is another biblical teaching in Genesis, thinking at the top of my head?

Give it up, man!

Homosexuality (Biblical translation: male/male and female/female sexual promiscuity) is against god. Why would god condone anything inside a marriage he defines as sinful?

It's logical just, well, wrong.

Let it be.

 

[McBell]

@Skwim

It's implied not verbatim. Marriage is between male and female (Proverbs 12:4)

Ephesians 5:22-33

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church.33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.​

Christ is married to the Church which, the Church, is referred to as She. There is a lot of content that shows marriage, in biblical days according to scripture authors are between man and woman.

If there was no law written down that killing was wrong but instead the value of life was written in books, why would we think killing is right (morally) given it's not written in the law books (hypothetical question).

In the Bible (and in biblical culture), sex is performed within marriage. In the Bible, homosexuality is considered promiscuity and, like lust between male/female, performed outside of marriage is a sin.

Why would marriage be between male/male and female/female in the Bible when once married, they cannot consummate their love and procreate-which is another biblical teaching in Genesis, thinking at the top of my head?

Give it up, man!

Homosexuality (Biblical translation: male/male and female/female sexual promiscuity) is against god. Why would god condone anything inside a marriage he defines as sinful?

It's logical just, well, wrong.

Let it be.

Except your verses are merely describing hetero marriage.
They say nothing of same sex marriage.

 

[Skwim]

Leviticus 18:22? Homosexuals cannot consummate a marriage, ergo they cannot marry.

Who says that consummating a marriage has to involve penial/vaginal penetration?

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How about two or three or by the chapter? Fyi whenever this becomes a force into the homes of neighbors and communities judgment is AT THE DOOR!

1 Corinthians 6
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

1 Tim 10
8 But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully,
9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers 10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

See Sodom and Gomorrah

Jude 1
6 And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,
7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
8 Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties.

And isn't it nice that God sees fit to condemn homosexuals to Hell for something they can't help. It's no different than condemning left-handed people, red heads, those born with a cleft palate, or cripples to Hell because they're not right handed; don't have blond, brown or black haired; lack a cleft palate, or aren't crippled.

Nice guy, this God that you worship.


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[Rival]

Who says that consummating a marriage has to involve penial/vaginal penetration?

It's clear that HaShem doesn't tolerate sodomy, so how could it consummate a marriage? It can't possibly.

 

[rosends]

It's no secret that according the Bible god made woman for man, and that they should be together.

Genesis 2:22-24 NIV
22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
23 The man said, “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man.”
24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.​

Or that while god doesn't like the idea of men and women having sexual relations, because he created them with sexual urges, it's best that they be married.

1 Corinthians 7:1-2 NIV
"1 . . .It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.​

However, there are many people who never marry and seem to be quite accepted within the Christian faith. So marriage doesn't appear to be an absolute necessity in Christian theology and in practice. It's not a deal breaker. People don't have to get married to be good Christians.

This seems to be the sum and substance of God's regard for marriage.

1) It's not mandatory.

2) But does serves to forestall "sexual immorality"​

And while the Bible says God doesn't like homosexual activities He doesn't seem to condemn people for being homosexuals. Like wise, while He doesn't like the idea of heterosexuals having sex, (1 Corinthians 7:1-2 ) He doesn't condemn them for being heterosexuals.

So God doesn't really like people having sexual relations be they homosexual or heterosexual; however, He is willing to allow heterosexuals to indulge themselves if they marry one another.

As for homosexuals and their sexual urges________________ nothing! Nothing is said one way or the other about their sexual predicament. My suspicion is that in the scheme of things homosexuals just aren't significant enough to bother mentioning. HOWEVER, it is said in 1 Corinthians 7:8-9

8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.
9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
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which, in addressing unmarried heterosexuals, says that for the sake of one's self sexual control it is better to marry. Marriage, therefore, is treated as nothing more than a means of controlling sexual passion, which I think would reasonably apply to homosexuals as well. Marriage is but an accommodation.

In any case, unless I've missed something, . . .

There's nothing in the Bible specifically about homosexuals marrying
There's nothing in the Bible specifically about homosexuals not marrying.

The Bible is silent. So, just where do people get the idea that God is against same-sex marriage? Where is the scripture that explicitly forbids same-sex marriage?


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I don't know of much scripture, if any, which discusses marriage. Without that, specific iterations of it are going to be even harder to find.

 

[Skwim]

@Skwim
Give it up, man!

Homosexuality (Biblical translation: male/male and female/female sexual promiscuity) is against god. Why would god condone anything inside a marriage he defines as sinful?

It's logical just, well, wrong.

Let it be.

And why would God find something he laid upon people---something they didn't chose and cannot help---as sinful? A strange, mean spirited God this god of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.


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[Skwim]

It's clear that HaShem doesn't tolerate sodomy, so how could it consummate a marriage? It can't possibly.

I can only guess what or who a HaShem is. If it's god, you may have a point. But then again he isn't fond of heterosexual sexual intercourse either. Seems to be more a matter of degree. "I dislike heterosexual sex, but I dislike homosexual sex even more." And he's the guy who created people like they are. Seems he's of a mind that he could have done a better job of it.


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[Rival]

I can only guess what or who a HaShem is. If it's god, you may have a point. But then again he isn't fond of heterosexual sexual intercourse either. Seems to be more a matter of degree. "I dislike heterosexual sex, but I dislike homosexual sex even more." And he's the guy who created people like they are. Seems he's of a mind that he could have done a better job of it.


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HaShem - one of the things you pick up from watching Jewish videos on YouTube! It means 'The Name' and refers to God.

He doesn't dislike heterosexual sex. He dislikes adultery, cheating, and so on. The first commandment was to 'be fruitful', not 'be fruitful but only in moderation'.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

And why would God find something he laid upon people---something they did not chose and cannot help---as sinful? A strange, mean spirited God this god of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.


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Because many mainstream Christians do not believe homosexuals have an inherit attraction to those of the same gender. Many I've met say we have a inherit tendency to act just as any other sin. Others say, because we have inherited sin, that tendency is a sin too and to act on it is against god. So either way you look at it, the core line is mainstream Christianity says that we have a sinful nature and that nature includes homosexual tendencies just as it does the erg to steal or the erg to curse god.

Other Christians finally found that we can't change our sexual orientation, but like one person said, that what we have isn't an nuetral attraction just as heterosexuals have but the attraction is defined as sinful and thus, like having a gun, we define that as a weapon, so to use it would be a sin.

It's defining a person as if he is the sin he commits. That's why it's a sin. Outside of that, the Bible doesn't talk about marriage, union, or sexual relationship between members of the same-gender that is outside of promiscuity. Many Christians say we are promiscuious when we are loving our wives or husbands.

In the Bible, it doesn't mention LGBT person who does not commit sexual immoral acts. It just mentions the intention behind people who do and these people can be straight as well.

Like the "do not lie with a man as with a woman" does not talk about homosexuals it talks about that a man cannot lie with another man as he does with a woman. It does not say whether that person is gay, straight, bi, or transgender (etc). So, I honestly don't know why Christians have a big issue with it.

With marriage, the bible says sexual actions are only within marriage. So if a straight man had sex with a man inside of marriage he would be considered homosexual and a sinner just as he would outside of marriage.

The sexual orientation has nothing to do with what people do behind doors.

 

[Skwim]

He doesn't dislike heterosexual sex.

1 Corinthians 7:1-2 NIV
"1 . . .It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.​

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[Rival]

1 Corinthians 7:1-2 NIV
"1 . . .It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.​

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I'm not a Christian. Quoting the NT means nothing to me.

 

[knh777]

Who says that consummating a marriage has to involve penial/vaginal penetration?

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And isn't it nice that God sees fit to condemn homosexuals to Hell for something they can't help. It's no different than condemning left-handed people, red heads, those born with a cleft palate, or cripples to Hell because they're not right handed; don't have blond, brown or black haired; lack a cleft palate, or aren't crippled.

Nice guy, this God that you worship.


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We all cant help being dead in sin. We all must be born again. Like any other sinner, we all must count the cost.
It is a covenant walk. He died to give us new life, in turn we die to our lives to receive His Spirit and new life.

Count the cost He will trade you your life for His life. His is eternal, your is temporal. Its an awesome deal!