What did he do (significant to you)?
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Looks like Americans go against the war with Iran
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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There were also protest against Vietnam. How did that turn out? Personally,i truly believe trump wants a war simply to get re-elected. Don't believe me? Look at the clip below from Nov 2011
Your video doesn't even remotely support your claim.
An odd thing....Democrats are coming out with tacit
support for Trump's strike by saying it's good he's killed.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Wars tend to be good for the economy and also make the prez look like a hero. Wrong reasons to start one.
Evidence?
Let's think about wars....
1) We spend huge sums of money buying materiel, much of which is dropped on or left with the enemy. And the material which isn't lost has no productive value, eg, growing crops, making shoes.
2) We spend huge sums on personnel, eg, soldiers, brass, REMFs, contractors.
Nothing they do produces any domestic goods or services.
3) A percentage of our personnel will be killed or become unproductive due to injury.
4) Territory we conquer isn't added to our country.
5) We provide aid to defeated people. We receive nothing in exchange.
Where's the profit?
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
That's what I was always told, but maybe I was told wrong...
People say a lot of things.
The've even told me that Jesus is my lord & savior.
It's all their opinion. They could be wrong.
Don't trust me either.
Consider the matter yourself.
No, you were right.
War creates a ton of profit opportunities for those with the knowledge and capital to take advantage.
And those are the people who really run the USA.
War is great for the 1%.
Tom
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Given where this war is likely to be, the impact on global fuel prices might temper the economic benefit from armament sales.
Also, something that just started happening today, my FB and Reddit feeds are full of American military recruitment ads, mostly for the navy. I hope the PR team didn't pay too much for a campaign that's reaching 42 year old Australians who hate the navy worse than a red headed New Zealander.
actually, it does. Trump said that about Obama back in 2011. Now, that he is in the same position he is doing what he thought Obama would do to get re-elected. Just FYI, i am not a democrat nor republican, i they they are both trash. I am not taking sides here, just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy.
Especially if you live in country without your own petroleum reserves, but allied with the USA.
Could be a huge problem.
Tom
That's not a cogent argument.
Nor is your video evidence of anything.
To what arms sales do you refer?
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Would they actually "want war" if they weren't told over and over by politicians, media, military personnel, and others that we "need war" (for the usual reasons)? It's not that people "want war," but they're presented with a geopolitical scenario which leads them to conclude that there is no other viable choice except to go to war.
Of course, people could study the world on their own and discover that most of what the government and media are telling them is BS, but that's how it goes. The fault of the electorate is that they're too ignorant and trusting.
Well, a lot of people have been crowing about how great the U.S. economy has been in recent years. I guess that's something to show for it. True, it doesn't show up in government revenues, since the general practice has been for the taxpayers to foot the bill, the poor boys to spill the blood, while the private sector capitalists collect all the spoils. That's how it's been from the very beginning, when the US government subsidized land grabs, slavery, expansionism - all of which brought about huge returns which made a lot of corporations wealthy.
By the same token, warlike policies in Latin America helped make a lot of money for companies like United Fruit.
Most of the current attitudes about war were formulated during the Cold War. The Cold War was about anti-communism, and communism is an economic philosophy. Therefore, America's warlike tendency is largely economic in nature, as it always has been. Our wars of expansionism throughout the 19th century were for economic benefit.
The whole reason we're in the Middle East at all is economic.
Some crowing about the economy shows what?
We no longer get land when we win wars.
How so?
That's why we attacked oil rich countries like Afghanistan?
Oh, wait.....they don't have any.
As long as conspiracy types ignore their own responsibility,
& continue blaming business for the voters' preference for
war mongers, it'll keep on happening.
I take it you've never heard Col. Jessup's "You can't handle the truth" speech from A Few Good Men.
Jessup: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like "honor", "code", "loyalty". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!
This is the hawkish conservative viewpoint, in a nutshell.
As for the country you live in, they're one of the many victims of U.S. imperialism. A lot of poverty and squalor, along with countless people trying to cross the border to get into the United States. Can the average Mexican citizen live as well as you do? If not, then why not? Answer that question, and you might find the answers to the questions you've put to me.
It shows that there is economic benefit.
Not officially, but somehow it still benefits big business. That's why we have proxy wars and puppet governments.
Surprised you'd such a basic question which is common knowledge to most people.
United Fruit Company - Why is Latin America So Dysfunctional? Part Three
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We attacked Afghanistan ostensibly because they were sheltering the leader of a terrorist group which attacked America's financial center. That appears economic in nature. We also helped arm the Afghan resistance groups when they were under Soviet occupation, so our involvement in Afghanistan is ultimately rooted in the Cold War (economic).
There are other riches besides oil. Sometimes it might also be a matter of strategic location. Afghanistan borders Iran, you know. I've also read that Turkmenistan is rich in hydrocarbons. Some have suggested that the invasion was to bypass Iran and Russia and to put a pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan and into Pakistan. Afghanistan Oil Pipeline - Wikipedia
I've noticed your tendency to cavalierly dismiss "conspiracy types," yet you don't see your own responsibility here?
The "conspiracy types," as you so blithely describe them, are the ones who want to keep us out of war. You want to mock them and make fun of them, but who else would oppose US war policies?
Their purpose is to discredit the US government in the eyes of the voters, and if the government is discredited, it would be a heck of a lot more difficult to get enough support for the warmongers. Those who believe the government and mock the "conspiracy types" must accept their own responsibility in giving tacit approval of the government's actions.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Afghanistan is also rich in rare earths, it also controls the strategic crossroad of Asia, which is why so many imperial powers have tried to hold it throughout history. It's not called "the graveyard of empires" for nothing.
No, only that some claim it...& even that is your unsupported claim.
"Somehow"....can't argue against that.
I'm powerless to disprove theories which aren't even wrong.