Lou Dobbs, the NAU, and NWO?

[BHSU_Student]

I personally hate conspiracy theories. Normally I avoid them as if they are the plague. However, a former (highly respected and intelligent) news Journalist on CNN, Lou Dobbs, has covered the NAU and spoken out against it. He claimed that President Bush formed an agreement that would end the United States, and he did it without consent of Congress or the people of the United States:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=5228579

After resigning from CNN, he still speaks of the NAU and even the NWO:

Dobbs rants that*G-20 will lead to North American Union agreement, calls for protests if it does | Media Matters for America

I'm curious as to whether his claims are accurate or not. I just find it hard to believe that he would cover such a topic if it was just some conspiracy.

 

[Darkness]

Lou Dobbs as a highly respected and intelligent journalists was thrown out the window when he embraced the birther movement.

 

[dust1n]

Why do you hate conspiracy theories?

 

[Aquitaine]

Do you believe the proposition for Operation Northwoods was a conspiracy theory, BHSU_Student?

Or that Executive Order 9066 was too?

Just out of curiosty, of course.

 

[dust1n]

Do you believe the proposition for Operation Northwoods was a conspiracy theory, BHSU_Student?

Or that Executive Order 9066 was too?

Just out of curiosty, of course.

Pssst. Just some EXTREME right wing group going all crazy about tyranny again!

 

[Darkness]

Why do you hate conspiracy theories?

Evidence is hardly ever put forth, just rampant fear and hysteria.

Do you believe the proposition for Operation Northwoods was a conspiracy theory, BHSU_Student?

Operation Northwoods was pretty ingenious actually. We probably should have implemented parts of it.

 

[Aquitaine]

Operation Northwoods was pretty ingenious actually. We probably should have implemented parts of it.

The part where the document went through suggestions of faking a plane crash/shoot down full of American College kids made me laugh, along with the idea "we could blow up a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated)" made me LOL!

Shows how much they value Human life, I'm glad it never went through, the very last thing we needed was another war being fought on pure lies - sound familiar?

Speaking of wars started on lies, wasn't it revealed a few years back that the Tonkin Gulf incident was a fabrication?

 

[Darkness]

The part where the document went through suggestions of faking a plane crash/shoot down full of American College kids made me laugh, along with the idea "we could blow up a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated)" made me LOL!

I haven't read Operation Northwoods in a while. I remember that they were considering actually killing Cubans (which is horrible), but I am almost positive that they were going to switch the college kids off of the plane and send a disguised drone, which would then be destroyed.

 

[Aquitaine]

I haven't read Operation Northwoods in a while. I remember that they were considering actually killing Cubans (which is horrible), but I am almost positive that they were going to switch the college kids off of the plane and send a disguised drone, which would then be destroyed.

That is true, they were going to switch then planes. The College kids wouldn't be killied, but it was the deception of faking it that made me laugh.

The boatload of Cubans being killed "(real or simulated)" made me laugh too, because of how little the valued Human life.

The full document is only 15 pages, and to my knowledge the plan to sink Cuban ships carrying civilians is on page 12, and the plan to fake the plane crash on page 13.

And they wonder why the American people don't trust them (Goverment).

 

[Darkness]

And they wonder why the American people don't trust them (Goverment).

Yet, it is precisely conservative-minded, realists (in the political science, foreign policy sense) that advocate these kinds of foreign policies.

 

[dust1n]

Evidence is hardly ever put forth, just rampant fear and hysteria.

Very true. It adds to the qualities that make it a conspiracy.

I just thought it was strange he said, "I hate conspiracy theories, but here's a conspiracy theory."

 

[Aquitaine]

Yet, it is precisely conservative-minded, realists (in the political science, foreign policy sense) that advocate these kinds of foreign policies.

What parts of Northwoods would you have liked to have seen implemented, and why?

 

[Mister_T]

However, a former (highly respected and intelligent) news Journalist on CNN, Lou Dobbs

Lou Dobbs is a known xenophobe and embracer of the birther movement. I'd hardly call him respectable or intelligent.

Is there any hard evidence for this outside of Lou Dobbs?

 

[Darkness]

What parts of Northwoods would you have liked to have seen implemented, and why?

Probably a fake attack on Guantanamo Bay, because we could have saved millions of people from Marxist-Leninist oppression.

 

[Aquitaine]

Probably a fake attack on Guantanamo Bay, because we could have saved millions of people from Marxist-Leninist oppression.

Yeah well just look at how many people have died from our intervention in Iraq stopping Saddam's oppression.

Personally, I think all countries should just butt-out of each other's business. Let's not forget Vietnam, all the people who lost their lives (American and Vietnamese) to stop the spread of Communism.

It's not worth it, not unless you and your pals want to go grab a gun and fight yourselves.

This is why I sometimes think there should be a rule that if we declare war on another country, all our Rulers have to send a relative to the combat zone. If that were the case, I bet you any money Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan would never have happened.

Hell remember Dick Cheney, he had what...... 5 deferements during Vietnam, he chickened out when it was he who was asked to fight, n' then years later he became a war monger from the office and sent so many Americans to their deaths.

 

[BHSU_Student]

I just thought it was strange he said, "I hate conspiracy theories, but here's a conspiracy theory."

That is not what I said. That is your personal interpretation and paraphrase. There is a distinct difference. If I had already determined that it was mere conspiracy, than it would have made no sense to post the OP. Rather the OP brings up the question whether or not this is just a mere conspiracy and a journalist going off into the deep end... Because I don't know, and that's why I brought it up.

 

[dust1n]

That is not what I said. That is your personal interpretation and paraphrase. There is a distinct difference. If I had already determined that it was mere conspiracy, than it would have made no sense to post the OP. Rather the OP brings up the question whether or not this is just a mere conspiracy and a journalist going off into the deep end... Because I don't know, and that's why I brought it up.

Yes I know it was a paraphrase.. that shouldn't have appear obvious to anyone.

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The NAU is a conspiracy theory, whether it is correct or incorrect, or whether some prominent journalist reports on it or not...

Of course, Vincent Fox (former president of Mexico, and former president of Coca Cola's Latin Operations) totally dug the idea, and suggested it to Bush many times.

 

[dust1n]

Yeah well just look at how many people have died from our intervention in Iraq stopping Saddam's oppression.

Personally, I think all countries should just butt-out of each other's business. Let's not forget Vietnam, all the people who lost their lives (American and Vietnamese) to stop the spread of Communism.

It's not worth it, not unless you and your pals want to go grab a gun and fight yourselves.

This is why I sometimes think there should be a rule that if we declare war on another country, all our Rulers have to send a relative to the combat zone. If that were the case, I bet you any money Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan would never have happened.

Hell remember Dick Cheney, he had what...... 5 deferements during Vietnam, he chickened out when it was he who was asked to fight, n' then years later he became a war monger from the office and sent so many Americans to their deaths.

Remember in the Spanish-American War, when one could avoid the draft by paying either 300 dollars, or by purchasing a replacement.

The rich never have to go to war, they just benefit off of it. Even if your law was enacted, the politician would send the black sheep of his family, and put him as an officer, far from any actual combat.

 

[BHSU_Student]

Yes I know it was a paraphrase.. that shouldn't have appear obvious to anyone.

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The NAU is a conspiracy theory, whether it is correct or incorrect, or whether some prominent journalist reports on it or not...

Of course, Vincent Fox (former president of Mexico, and former president of Coca Cola's Latin Operations) totally dug the idea, and suggested it to Bush many times.

A conspiracy theory is not a conspiracy theory if it is correct. A theory in this case, is something that remains to be proven (rather it should be called conspiracy hypothesis). Anyways If true, then it is not a conspiracy theory. It's plain conspiracy. There is a distinction between the two, which you have ignored by superimposing the definition of conspiracy onto the definition of conspiracy theory.

Now in this case, it meets the criteria of a conspiracy theory, but what will determine that--I think--is whether or not Lou Dobbs is a credible source of information, and whether or not there is a secondary source that can confirm the hidden agenda which he has proposed.

Also, you should take note that the words "conspiracy theory" in this country, have been used to swiftly discredit individuals and avoid serious intellectual discourse. It is very easy to say that something is a conspiracy theory and subsequently dismiss it. Anyone can do that. It takes very little mental effort.

 

[Aquitaine]

Remember in the Spanish-American War, when one could avoid the draft by paying either 300 dollars, or by purchasing a replacement.

The rich never have to go to war, they just benefit off of it. Even if your law was enacted, the politician would send the black sheep of his family, and put him as an officer, far from any actual combat.

Yeah, I always knew that no mattor what they'd try to cheat the system. It's a shame really, if they're not willing to send their own sons and daughters off to fight a war, then they bloody-well shouldn't expect to send other people's sons and daughters off to war.

I just wish there was a system or rule that would enforce something like that effectively, I bet you then the war economy would grind to almost a complete halt.

Good God I'd never join the Army.