Love and Emotional Evolution

[Fool]

Please take a look - I have added some quotes.

allow me to help you out a bit. without love, nurturing, science has shown unequivocally that offspring will develop both physical and psychological problems, in other words they don't evolve, or mature, like their contemporaries who have been nurtured and loved.


https://www.simplypsychology.org/attachment.html


The Need to Love

 

[Neutral Name]

as a species, or intelligent thing, evolves would it evolve emotionally towards unconditional love ultimately?

One would hope so but, unfortunately, I think that it could go in either direction. I would like to be optimistic but I see a lot of not so good these days.

 

[Bird123]

as a species, or intelligent thing, evolves would it evolve emotionally towards unconditional love ultimately?

Interesting. I see emotions along with being empathic as a base thing. People have been feeling from the beginning of time but isn't it the growth of Intelligence through learning that has advanced us all forward?

I think you are right. Ultimately, everyone will learn that Unconditional Love is the only real Intelligent choice. On the other hand, there are so many other choices people must choose and learn from before they realize that Unconditional Love really is the only viable choice.

Yes. there is a long way to go. On the other hand, it is all moving forward in the right direction.

 

[MonkeyFire]

You mean faith in Ganesh, the elephant Godhead, and such?

Ciao

- viole

In my religion FAITH is the Seraphim Michael.

 

[blü 2]

as a species, or intelligent thing, evolves would it evolve emotionally towards unconditional love ultimately?

Only if unconditional love were central to surviving long enough to breed.

Which I'd venture to say doesn't appear to be the case.

In fact, I can't think of any kind of love that's correctly called 'unconditional'. Perhaps certain opiate and methamphetamine addictions go close.

 

[atanu]

You mean faith in Ganesh, the elephant Godhead, and such?

Ciao

- viole

Maybe you are too literal, always?

 

[atanu]

love of all as one undifferentiated thing, nuk pu nuk.


ayam ātmā brahma

Those who realise the above may go towards absorption in brahman, rather than manifestation.

I do not know, but.

 

[Fool]

One would hope so but, unfortunately, I think that it could go in either direction. I would like to be optimistic but I see a lot of not so good these days.

chaos and destruction are very easy actions. it takes 9 months to create a viable, human life, but only a second to destroy it.

 

[Fool]

Only if unconditional love were central to surviving long enough to breed.

Which I'd venture to say doesn't appear to be the case.

In fact, I can't think of any kind of love that's correctly called 'unconditional'. Perhaps certain opiate and methamphetamine addictions go close.

if consciousness is eternal; then why worry about a form, or a need to reproduce?


https://phys.org/news/2011-03-quantum-no-hiding-theorem-experimentally.html

 

[bobhikes]

love of all as one undifferentiated thing, nuk pu nuk.


ayam ātmā brahma

The point is what is the condition to bring that about. You are just born with it and evolutionary change to how emotions work. From birth on everyone you meet is just loved. How would you know what love is then?

 

[Fool]

The point is what is the condition to bring that about. You are just born with it and evolutionary change to how emotions work. From birth on everyone you meet is just loved. How would you know what love is then?

you have requeried. the first question you used unconditional love, this query you have used the term solely of love.


there are varying levels of love. there are two basic types of love: love of self and love for other as self. these seem to be polarized until they become one as unconditional, or undifferentiated.


the potential for realization is always there but the realization is not necessarily manifested in all beings. each is allowed to evolve, or involve.

 

[blü 2]

if consciousness is eternal; then why worry about a form, or a need to reproduce?

Consciousness is a phenomenon of individual brains. It's not known to exist in any other real manner. So, having no reason to think consciousness is eternal, I don't.

And if my consciousness were somehow eternal without my endocrine system, being eternal would be wholly pointless, wouldn't it?

https://phys.org/news/2011-03-quantum-no-hiding-theorem-experimentally.html

That link must be using a definition of 'information' that I'm not familiar with, even though in the past I've spent some time looking at the various definitions.

Are you able to tell me what the author intends to denote when she says 'information' there? That'd be helpful.

 

[Fool]

Consciousness is a phenomenon of individual brains. It's not known to exist in any other real manner. So, having no reason to think consciousness is eternal, I don't.
That link must be using a definition of 'information' that I'm not familiar with, even though in the past I've spent some time looking at the various definitions.

Are you able to tell me what the author intends to denote when she says 'information' there? That'd be helpful.

spooky action has been shown to exist; without a brain. consciousness doesn't require a brain. it requires electromagnetic energy; which is why when the correct amount of electromagnetic energy isn't present in a brain, it doesn't work

 

[blü 2]

spooky action has been shown to exist

'Spooky action' is a physical phenomenon whose explanation is a work in progress. I'm not aware of any experiment that has shown any consciousness is involved in it. If you know of one, grateful for a link.

; without a brain. consciousness doesn't require a brain. it requires electromagnetic energy; which is why when the correct amount of electromagnetic energy isn't present in a brain, it doesn't work

Consciousness requires a brain, hence the mechanisms of a brain ─ complex and well-organized interactions of biochemistry and bioelectricity, for a start.

So we somewhat agree.

 

[Fool]

'Spooky action' is a physical phenomenon whose explanation is a work in progress. I'm not aware of any experiment that has shown any consciousness is involved in it. If you know of one, grateful for a link.
Consciousness requires a brain, hence the mechanisms of a brain ─ complex and well-organized interactions of biochemistry and bioelectricity, for a start.

plants have consciousness, and so do bacteria, molds. a brain isn't necessary for intelligence, or consciousness. electromagnetic energy is required for intelligence. it is a fundamental force of the universe.


so to have human intelligence a greater amount of electromagnetic energy is necessary to manifest in this density and as a higher intelligence.

 

[bobhikes]

you have requeried. the first question you used unconditional love, this query you have used the term solely of love.


there are varying levels of love. there are two basic types of love: love of self and love for other as self. these seem to be polarized until they become one as unconditional, or undifferentiated.


the potential for realization is always there but the realization is not necessarily manifested in all beings. each is allowed to evolve, or involve.

Two things 1 you still have defined love as anything, even an emotion and 2 unconditional and undifferentiated do not have the same meaning.

What is love of self? Can it even exist without conditions or differences? Even you say all beings may not manifest it. That's saying it is a thing and conditions have to be met to manifest it.

What is love of others as self? Why is it different than love of self? You indicated it is a different type of Love.

Unconditional Love is not real any where. Even Gods put conditions on there creations. It will never happen because it is not possible.

 

[Fool]

Two things 1 you still have defined love as anything, even an emotion and 2 unconditional and undifferentiated do not have the same meaning

love that makes no difference between self and other self is unconditional, undifferentiated. unconditional love contains all conditions inclusively and no condition exclusively.

What is love of self?

the self as a whole must be loved; otherwise self would seek destruction. self-preservation is first love.

Can it even exist without conditions or differences? Even you say all beings may not manifest it. That's saying it is a thing and conditions have to be met to manifest it.

i do not understand the query. please requery; unless you understand that all conditions are met in loving all undifferentiated, or as one. what is called oneness.

What is love of others as self?

that which appears separate from self in the illusion but cannot be separate in nature. all is interdependent.

Why is it different than love of self? You indicated it is a different type of Love.

can be seen as those who abuse themselves but not others because of the illusion of separateness.

Unconditional Love is not real any where. Even Gods put conditions on there creations. It will never happen because it is not possible.

if unconditional surrender is possible to the winner of war, is it not possible for self. that which wars within itself is already half of each polarity, whole of no one. know thyself.


“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War


Gospel of Thomas saying
(70) Jesus said, "That which you have will save you if you bring it forth from yourselves. That which you do not have within you will kill you if you do not have it within you."

 

[bobhikes]

Love is a grouping of human emotions, with trust and compassion. These are the conditions for love. You can not have love without emotion, you can not have love without trust, you can not have love without compassion, whether it be self love or love of others. To maintain love one must constantly work at it, whether it be self love or love or others. It annoys me when people claim they have found True Love, Unconditional Love, The One or any other definition that makes love mystical and not a real thing that requires work and conditions.

 

[Fool]

Love is a grouping of human emotions, with trust and compassion. These are the conditions for love. You can not have love without emotion, you can not have love without trust, you can not have love without compassion, whether it be self love or love of others. To maintain love one must constantly work at it, whether it be self love or love or others. It annoys me when people claim they have found True Love, Unconditional Love, The One or any other definition that makes love mystical and not a real thing that requires work and conditions.

love is an emotion known to many non-human things. there is no fear in love; so trust is left to those who fear to learn. love is the condition that covers all conditions and conditions.

59:00

Here at, Aurobindo makes the Spirit or Purusha as the Source of everything, including Brahman. He makes Purusha more fundamental. Thus, he does not have to say Brahman to be the source of inferior Brahman, and he also dismisses the sense of Reality revealed in imaginative and emotional build-up.

Two birds, beautiful of wings, close companions, cling to one common tree: of the two one eats the sweet fruit of that tree; the other eats not but watches his companion. The self is the bird that sits immersed on the common tree; but because he is not lord he is bewildered and has sorrow. But when he sees that other who is the Lord and the beloved, he knows that all is His greatness and his sorrow passes away from him. When, a seer, he sees the Golden-hued, the maker, the Lord, the Spirit who is the source of Brahman, then he becomes the knower and shakes from his wings sin and virtue; pure of all stains he reaches the supreme identity.

 

[bobhikes]

love is an emotion known to many non-human things. there is no fear in love; so trust is left to those who fear to learn. love is the condition that covers all conditions and conditions.

59:00


Here at, Aurobindo makes the Spirit or Purusha as the Source of everything, including Brahman. He makes Purusha more fundamental. Thus, he does not have to say Brahman to be the source of inferior Brahman, and he also dismisses the sense of Reality revealed in imaginative and emotional build-up.

Two birds, beautiful of wings, close companions, cling to one common tree: of the two one eats the sweet fruit of that tree; the other eats not but watches his companion. The self is the bird that sits immersed on the common tree; but because he is not lord he is bewildered and has sorrow. But when he sees that other who is the Lord and the beloved, he knows that all is His greatness and his sorrow passes away from him. When, a seer, he sees the Golden-hued, the maker, the Lord, the Spirit who is the source of Brahman, then he becomes the knower and shakes from his wings sin and virtue; pure of all stains he reaches the supreme identity.

Emotions, Trust and Compassion belong to a lot of living things, I've had many pets that I loved and was loved it return. But If I caged them, starved them or constantly beat them they would no longer love me. For that matter no animal loves unconditionally and with animals trust must always be built up first.