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1robin

Christian/Baptist
Aha. I think that you are saying that God gave humans dominion over the other animals, but if a person does not believe in God then he shouldn't have dominion over the other animals. Am I close?
Pretty close, but it gets worse than biological hierarchy. Without God the entire moral categories of good and evil, the foundation for racial equality, the sanctity of human life, the inherent worth of man, justice, objective meaning and purpose, etc....... are all out the window.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
I should probably point out the irony of the saying, "all other forms of life". Haha! I love this place.
I do not see the irony, where's the irony, are they giving out irony instead of participation trophies these days? I want mine.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
What does empathy have to do with domination?
I do not understand the question, or at least it appears to leave nothing to question. If I have empathy towards another person I would be acting inconsistently with it if I also went and forced them to submit to my own will. I do not want to be forced to pick cotton 18 hours a day so I empathize with others who do not wish to either. I use the word dominate to mean to force submission upon a creature without it's consent nor it's creators consent. Do you deny that we dominate all other forms of life we are aware of?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Pretty close, but it gets worse than biological hierarchy. Without God the entire moral categories of good and evil, the foundation for racial equality, the sanctity of human life, the inherent worth of man, justice, objective meaning and purpose, etc....... are all out the window.
I think they might will disagree with that.
 

allfoak

Alchemist
I do not understand the question, or at least it appears to leave nothing to question. If I have empathy towards another person I would be acting inconsistently with it if I also went and forced them to submit to my own will. I do not want to be forced to pick cotton 18 hours a day so I empathize with others who do not wish to either. I use the word dominate to mean to force submission upon a creature without it's consent nor it's creators consent. Do you deny that we dominate all other forms of life we are aware of?
i agree.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
I concur with your agreement. The problem is that unless you believe in a God at least similar to mine, everything you agreed with isn't true. Only if God exists do we actually have the apex sovereignty we assume we do. Without God we are merely acting on speciesm or might makes right. We all like to adopt cherished moral norms, but most can only be founded upon God. That is why Jefferson (who was no Christian) said our rights are founded in God. No God, no rights.
 
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savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I concur with your agreement. The problem is that unless you believe in a God at least similar to mine, everything you agreed with isn't true. Only if God exists do we actually have the apex sovereignty we assume we do. Without God we are merely acting on speciesm or might makes right. We all like to adopt cherished moral norms that can only be founded upon God. That is why Jefferson (who was no Christian) said our rights are founded in God. No God, no rights.
Wrong. Laws creates rights and the rights it creates are real.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Which one what? Poster human here?
Neither and both.

You stated:
I think they might will disagree with that
I need to know the "who" or at least the "that" to respond to you. If you mean atheists and all of it, I can agree, but if anything else then I will need to know which.

I also don't want to miss out on any irony. I honestly don't know where it was in my post. I hate missing jokes even if they are about my posts.
 
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