https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#
It appears Argentina and Japan set the age of consent at 13 and South Yemen at 9 as long as your married. Who knew? *shrugs*
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Lower the Age of Consent
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#
It appears Argentina and Japan set the age of consent at 13 and South Yemen at 9 as long as your married. Who knew? *shrugs*
The problem is needing to draw arbitrary lines in order to protect people. Young people need to be protected, both from their own lack of judgment and from sexual predators.
But people are very different, especially in the adolescent age bracket. Some 15 y/o are quite capable of managing their affairs. Some 40 y/o are not. So the law just has to draw an arbitrary line and try to enforce it, without being stupid about it. This is not easy or simple. It will result in injustice sometimes.
All we can do is all we can do.
Unusually precocious people need to also be mature enough to recognize that the laws are in place to protect those who aren't as precocious. And that the laws need to be enforced consistently.
So if you are grown up enough to have sex, then you are also grown up enough to understand why waiting is the right thing to do.
Tom
^ 21 year-old male
Do they also allow multiple marriage? Marriage by the day?
Could I marry four 9 y/o for a weekend?
Tom
It would be nice if we could set standards of maturity and responsibility.
Age is an arbitrary stand in.
Since gay sex doesn't risk pregnancy, how about we drop the standards for same sex couples and crank them up for het couples until they are demonstrably able to properly care for children?
Tom
meghanwaterlillies
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Funny all the hype to change laws to begin with come back around. Up top a proud sex offender likely wants to lower the age. You want more laws. You have a totally different realm then I do. Because its usually the men that have the kids decide influences over the girls. Because of shame of the unwanted, well put up mills or to depopulate, neither one had faith in them to begin with neither maybe never had faith in God. It doesn't seemed to working with what you say in women's rights campaigning. Is this just cutting off a whole generation or what?
Augustus
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Of course, that's the equivalent of marrying a 36 year old.
If this were universally enforced it might help the human race evolve better longevity, although the first 10,000 years might be a little rough.
I'm having trouble understanding your post in general. This statement, in particular, is referring to me. But I don't understand what you are asking.
I am all about women's rights to free speech. Equal pay, under equal circumstances. Etc.
I am a pragmatic egalitarian. I don't think gender should get you special treatment from the government, male or female or other.
This post of yours confused me.
Tom
There should be no age of consent, instead age ranges of consent. There is no reason two children should not be allowed to experiment, sexual curiosity is normal and healthy. I would propose something along the lines of, anyone bellow 12 or 13 gets a 1 year consent gap, 12 or 13-16 or 17 gets a two year gap, anyone from 16 or 17 to 18 gets a 5 years gap, and anyone above 18 gets free range.
Aštra’el
Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
Sounds reasonable.
vaguelyhumanoid
Active Member
It's not the "age of responsibility" or "age of smart decisions", it's the age of consent. Using that to prevent potentially stupid choices is not only patronizing and repressive, it also trivializes sexual abuse. Convictions of teenagers for criminalized sexual activities with other teenagers can ruin lives, and such laws often disproportionately target queer and interracial couples in practice. I'd recommend this essay by UK human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell on the subject: http://www.petertatchell.net/lgbt_rights/age_of_consent/an-age-of-consent-of-14.htm
Aštra’el
Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
It certainly is interesting how, when an "underage" teen is convicted of murdering someone, or raping someone, or robbing someone, their ability to "consent" to what they had done is never in question. They are widely recognized as having understood exactly what they were doing. And yet, when it comes to sex (casual, romantic, experimenting, whatever) people seem to believe in some alleged, mysterious lack of ability for "underaged" teens to comprehend and consent.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's very hard to legislate sex.
18 seems optimal and preferred by which two people can engage consentually, and handle repercussions of their actions.
It's not going to stop people, but there needs to be a reasonable standard set.
14? I think most people would agree its just too young yet in context of mental and physical prepardness involving large groups of people. 18 is a good age in general terms to insure complications remain at a minimum.
It's really a matter of culture and history as it pertains to different cultures imv. Some can arguably handle a lower age of consent and others just cannot.
18 seems optimal and preferred by which two people can engage consentually, and handle repercussions of their actions.
It's not going to stop people, but there needs to be a reasonable standard set.
14? I think most people would agree its just too young yet in context of mental and physical prepardness involving large groups of people. 18 is a good age in general terms to insure complications remain at a minimum.
It's really a matter of culture and history as it pertains to different cultures imv. Some can arguably handle a lower age of consent and others just cannot.
meghanwaterlillies
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vaguelyhumanoid
Active Member
I think Germany has the best approach to the age of consent I've heard:
"The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14- to 15-year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, in which case a conviction of an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense by itself. Otherwise the age of consent is 16, although provisions protecting minors against abuse apply until the age of 18 (under Section 182(1), it is illegal to engage in sexual activity with a person under 18 'by taking advantage of an exploitative situation')."
"The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14- to 15-year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, in which case a conviction of an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense by itself. Otherwise the age of consent is 16, although provisions protecting minors against abuse apply until the age of 18 (under Section 182(1), it is illegal to engage in sexual activity with a person under 18 'by taking advantage of an exploitative situation')."
Neuroscience and psychology have pretty much demonstrated that people younger than 21-23 are not fully wired for some things having to do with judgment and consent, very much including foresight. The modern tendency to try underage people as adults is shameful, and in no way does it justify dismissing the reality that young brains lack the capacity for mature judgment and reasoned, informed consent.
Can you explain how you arrived at this conclusion?