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Lucifer enlightened me about his holiness and virtue.

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Lucifer, the Devil, and Satan, I understand are not always considered the same entity, but an entity I never had interest in serving, because he is associated with selfishness, violence, hate, lust, pride, anger, covetousness, jealousy, laziness, gluttony, unforgiveness, addictions, no self control etc, seemed to speak to me today.

So, I don't seek any experiences with Satan, because I don't trust him as offering anything that brings lasting reward, just temporary reward , with bad consequences afterwards.

But I had what seemed a strong conviction, he was telling me that he is none of those things.

He showed me that as God of this world, what Scripture calls him, he has power as a leader on this world, that even God does not have.

He has responsibilities no human leader or spirit entity on earth has.

He carries out his responsibilities , to maintain his leadership of his kingdom for thousands of years, by being the one his followers turn to most for solutions, and blame everything on when things go wrong.

He deals with the pain of being at war with a God , who causes everyone's death and misery , with the curse of original sin, and the Devil takes the blame for God killing, cursing, and torturing innocent children and people, with his curses and chastisements, causing rapes, wars, and genocides the Devil never had anything to do with, but gets blamed for.

Yet God, his adversary , the more guilty one in causing human suffering and death, gets praised and worshipped , while God's sadistic , brutal, psychopathic acts, are all blamed on the Devil.

The Devil I realized, is suffering a lot, doesn't receive much joy, is extremely despised, misunderstood, and is diligently sacrificing and serving his despised, hated, outnumbered, falsely accused flock and kingdom.

He isn't nice to everyone, but is a great leader, and works overtime, to serve those whom he loves.

He isn't a selfish hedonistic pig, and seemed to be telling me , there is no time to play grab ***, when you have his responsibilities and burdens.

He is not fighting an easy battle, when Scripture says good Angels outnumber fallen Angels three to one.

And he is fighting against God and Christians , constantly attacking him with Spiritual warfare , and binding prayers, and curses.

Jesus being crucified, was not the plan of the Devil, but God's plan long before Jesus was born, so God killed Christ, and killed many Christians and innocent people, because that is how God treats his friends, yet the Devil receives the blame for God's cruelty, while his opponent who caused the crimes , is praised by the same people, like he is their hero.

I felt very sorry for Lucifer. I felt he needed some one willing to love him and appreciate how hard of a worker he is, how much suffering he goes through.

You would think the Devil has time to party, have orgies, immoral lifestyles, but I was surprised, when it seemed I was receiving messages that he needs to be very disciplined, he's been fighting the greatest mass murderer , God knows how many thousands of years, his job is high stress, it is a scary job, he's threatened with hell fire and torture forever, his Kingdom and earth require his constant attention.

He made it clear that pleasure, hedonism, money, and women , are never motives of his. He wants to be more clever, brilliant, strong, subtle, powerful, solve problems, be more diligent, creative, have more followers, but also wants to improve his kingdom.

He actually tries to encourage virtuous behavior, because a disciplined, wise, mature kingdom, at war, is going to do better, if disciplined, austere, not excessively hooked on pleasure, and most willing to sacrifice.

He appears more holy than me in many ways, because I would go nuts with all those responsibilities, being the guy everyone turns to when something goes wrong, being the "God of this world", being blamed for everything, while the other God is the guilty one being praised.

It would drive me totally nuts. His attitude is one of sacrifice and serve, even if power is a big motive.

He doesn't have much joy. No one with that kind of leadership and responsibilities he has can be a hedonistic pig , selfish, or lazy.

He knows he has to be very disciplined, austere, and responsible , to do his job well.

It was a feeling like I wanted to defend him , and pray for his redemption, like the prodigal son.

It also was a feeling of love for an entity I would never see anything good in, or want relationship with.

It felt like that scene from Star Wars , where Darth Vader said "Luke, I am your father".

It was an experience that felt like it was the Devil, but someone loveable, as loveable as your Dad.

It was a feeling like I would love to know how to make him happy, reconcile him with his enemies, help him rehabilitate, let him know I don't agree with tempting earth to do bad deeds, but I understand many of his vices, including his anger at God, and he has my unconditional love, regardless of what I don't approve of.

I'm going to write Father Darth Vader Devil , a get well soon letter , and visit him in his prison/hell.

I'm willing to listen to him, be his friend, acknowledge him as a harder worker, who sacrifices himself for others, more than myself or most Christians do.

He seemed the "God of this world" but very lonely. He was once the most important and beautiful Archangels traditionally, with a name that means "Light bearer". I pray he becomes that light bearer , good Archangel he once was. :)
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Lucifer, the Devil, and Satan, I understand are not always considered the same entity, but an entity I never had interest in serving, because he is associated with selfishness, violence, hate, lust, pride, anger, covetousness, jealousy, laziness, gluttony, unforgiveness, addictions, no self control etc, seemed to speak to me today.

So, I don't seek any experiences with Satan, because I don't trust him as offering anything that brings lasting reward, just temporary reward , with bad consequences afterwards.

But I had what seemed a strong conviction, he was telling me that he is none of those things.

He showed me that as God of this world, what Scripture calls him, he has power as a leader on this world, that even God does not have.

He has responsibilities no human leader or spirit entity on earth has.

He carries out his responsibilities , to maintain his leadership of his kingdom for thousands of years, by being the one his followers turn to most for solutions, and blame everything on when things go wrong.

He deals with the pain of being at war with a God , who causes everyone's death and misery , with the curse of original sin, and the Devil takes the blame for God killing, cursing, and torturing innocent children and people, with his curses and chastisements, causing rapes, wars, and genocides the Devil never had anything to do with, but gets blamed for.

Yet God, his adversary , the more guilty one in causing human suffering and death, gets praised and worshipped , while God's sadistic , brutal, psychopathic acts, are all blamed on the Devil.

The Devil I realized, is suffering a lot, doesn't receive much joy, is extremely despised, misunderstood, and is diligently sacrificing and serving his despised, hated, outnumbered, falsely accused flock and kingdom.

He isn't nice to everyone, but is a great leader, and works overtime, to serve those whom he loves.

He isn't a selfish hedonistic pig, and seemed to be telling me , there is no time to play grab ***, when you have his responsibilities and burdens.

He is not fighting an easy battle, when Scripture says good Angels outnumber fallen Angels three to one.

And he is fighting against God and Christians , constantly attacking him with Spiritual warfare , and binding prayers, and curses.

Jesus being crucified, was not the plan of the Devil, but God's plan long before Jesus was born, so God killed Christ, and killed many Christians and innocent people, because that is how God treats his friends, yet the Devil receives the blame for God's cruelty, while his opponent who caused the crimes , is praised by the same people, like he is their hero.

I felt very sorry for Lucifer. I felt he needed some one willing to love him and appreciate how hard of a worker he is, how much suffering he goes through.

You would think the Devil has time to party, have orgies, immoral lifestyles, but I was surprised, when it seemed I was receiving messages that he needs to be very disciplined, he's been fighting the greatest mass murderer , God knows how many thousands of years, his job is high stress, it is a scary job, he's threatened with hell fire and torture forever, his Kingdom and earth require his constant attention.

He made it clear that pleasure, hedonism, money, and women , are never motives of his. He wants to be more clever, brilliant, strong, subtle, powerful, solve problems, be more diligent, creative, have more followers, but also wants to improve his kingdom.

He actually tries to encourage virtuous behavior, because a disciplined, wise, mature kingdom, at war, is going to do better, if disciplined, austere, not excessively hooked on pleasure, and most willing to sacrifice.

He appears more holy than me in many ways, because I would go nuts with all those responsibilities, being the guy everyone turns to when something goes wrong, being the "God of this world", being blamed for everything, while the other God is the guilty one being praised.

It would drive me totally nuts. His attitude is one of sacrifice and serve, even if power is a big motive.

He doesn't have much joy. No one with that kind of leadership and responsibilities he has can be a hedonistic pig , selfish, or lazy.

He knows he has to be very disciplined, austere, and responsible , to do his job well.

It was a feeling like I wanted to defend him , and pray for his redemption, like the prodigal son.

It also was a feeling of love for an entity I would never see anything good in, or want relationship with.

It felt like that scene from Star Wars , where Darth Vader said "Luke, I am your father".

It was an experience that felt like it was the Devil, but someone loveable, as loveable as your Dad.

It was a feeling like I would love to know how to make him happy, reconcile him with his enemies, help him rehabilitate, let him know I don't agree with tempting earth to do bad deeds, but I understand many of his vices, including his anger at God, and he has my unconditional love, regardless of what I don't approve of.

I'm going to write Father Darth Vader Devil , a get well soon letter , and visit him in his prison/hell.

I'm willing to listen to him, be his friend, acknowledge him as a harder worker, who sacrifices himself for others, more than myself or most Christians do.

He seemed the "God of this world" but very lonely. He was once the most important and beautiful Archangels traditionally, with a name that means "Light bearer". I pray he becomes that light bearer , good Archangel he once was. :)
I met him once a few years ago; because I was angry and I defied him and he came to me in a dream afterwards. He was going around murdering people in order to maintain his kingdom on earth. I didn't like that; so I attacked him with this weapon. A polearm or something. He was basically uneffected. I couldn't get through his armor he had on. His armor and the way he looked was reminscent of the video game cover of Overlord. Not exactly like that but that's what it reminds me of. I just put a small hole in the armor. But couldn't get through. He turns to me and says "Who is this?" And I said nothing. I hit him again and he said "Have I not been loyal?" I said "You're the wicked one" and then he acted like he had no choice but to kill me then; since I couldn't be reasoned with. So he charged at me and I knew I couldn't fight him because I had not been living right and I was sinning. So I reasoned out that I couldn't win. So I just prayed to Jesus for forgiveness of sins and to hide me and instantly I was gone somewhere else; a peaceful place.

Satan isn't as good as he makes himself out to be. Saying he's loyal and loving to his followers; all that hogwash. He tried that on me too; but I wasn't buying it. I think he's a murderer. When I saw him he cut down an entire family of people including children and just kept going. So humans are nothing but animals to him. He doesn't hesitate to kill anyone who gets in his way. He kills people constantly in order to maintain control of the world. He also enjoys any praise or honor people give him. People think it's a joke to wear devil horns or what have you; but for him it's real worship. So a lot people worship the devil.

Satan kills anyone who gets in his way unless they're protected by God and the elect angels.

This is why satan has no rest; he goes "to and fro" through the earth because he must maintain his kingdom. It's a full time job. So he's telling you partial truths but twisted with lies. He's always seeking whom he may devour. You should resist him like Jesus did with scriptures not believe his lies.

I'm glad that Christian prayers keep him in check from killing and corrupting even more people and one day he'll pay for all he's done to humans.

To keep things in perspective his lies about God being bad are ridiculous. Satan just wants everyone he pretends he loves so much to go in the lake of fire like he is already going. I suppose misery loves company. That isn't love. That's pure evil.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
Lucifer, the Devil, and Satan, I understand are not always considered the same entity, but an entity I never had interest in serving, because he is associated with selfishness, violence, hate, lust, pride, anger, covetousness, jealousy, laziness, gluttony, unforgiveness, addictions, no self control etc, seemed to speak to me today.

So, I don't seek any experiences with Satan, because I don't trust him as offering anything that brings lasting reward, just temporary reward , with bad consequences afterwards.

But I had what seemed a strong conviction, he was telling me that he is none of those things.

He showed me that as God of this world, what Scripture calls him, he has power as a leader on this world, that even God does not have.

He has responsibilities no human leader or spirit entity on earth has.

He carries out his responsibilities , to maintain his leadership of his kingdom for thousands of years, by being the one his followers turn to most for solutions, and blame everything on when things go wrong.

He deals with the pain of being at war with a God , who causes everyone's death and misery , with the curse of original sin, and the Devil takes the blame for God killing, cursing, and torturing innocent children and people, with his curses and chastisements, causing rapes, wars, and genocides the Devil never had anything to do with, but gets blamed for.

Yet God, his adversary , the more guilty one in causing human suffering and death, gets praised and worshipped , while God's sadistic , brutal, psychopathic acts, are all blamed on the Devil.

The Devil I realized, is suffering a lot, doesn't receive much joy, is extremely despised, misunderstood, and is diligently sacrificing and serving his despised, hated, outnumbered, falsely accused flock and kingdom.

He isn't nice to everyone, but is a great leader, and works overtime, to serve those whom he loves.

He isn't a selfish hedonistic pig, and seemed to be telling me , there is no time to play grab ***, when you have his responsibilities and burdens.

He is not fighting an easy battle, when Scripture says good Angels outnumber fallen Angels three to one.

And he is fighting against God and Christians , constantly attacking him with Spiritual warfare , and binding prayers, and curses.

Jesus being crucified, was not the plan of the Devil, but God's plan long before Jesus was born, so God killed Christ, and killed many Christians and innocent people, because that is how God treats his friends, yet the Devil receives the blame for God's cruelty, while his opponent who caused the crimes , is praised by the same people, like he is their hero.

I felt very sorry for Lucifer. I felt he needed some one willing to love him and appreciate how hard of a worker he is, how much suffering he goes through.

You would think the Devil has time to party, have orgies, immoral lifestyles, but I was surprised, when it seemed I was receiving messages that he needs to be very disciplined, he's been fighting the greatest mass murderer , God knows how many thousands of years, his job is high stress, it is a scary job, he's threatened with hell fire and torture forever, his Kingdom and earth require his constant attention.

He made it clear that pleasure, hedonism, money, and women , are never motives of his. He wants to be more clever, brilliant, strong, subtle, powerful, solve problems, be more diligent, creative, have more followers, but also wants to improve his kingdom.

He actually tries to encourage virtuous behavior, because a disciplined, wise, mature kingdom, at war, is going to do better, if disciplined, austere, not excessively hooked on pleasure, and most willing to sacrifice.

He appears more holy than me in many ways, because I would go nuts with all those responsibilities, being the guy everyone turns to when something goes wrong, being the "God of this world", being blamed for everything, while the other God is the guilty one being praised.

It would drive me totally nuts. His attitude is one of sacrifice and serve, even if power is a big motive.

He doesn't have much joy. No one with that kind of leadership and responsibilities he has can be a hedonistic pig , selfish, or lazy.

He knows he has to be very disciplined, austere, and responsible , to do his job well.

It was a feeling like I wanted to defend him , and pray for his redemption, like the prodigal son.

It also was a feeling of love for an entity I would never see anything good in, or want relationship with.

It felt like that scene from Star Wars , where Darth Vader said "Luke, I am your father".

It was an experience that felt like it was the Devil, but someone loveable, as loveable as your Dad.

It was a feeling like I would love to know how to make him happy, reconcile him with his enemies, help him rehabilitate, let him know I don't agree with tempting earth to do bad deeds, but I understand many of his vices, including his anger at God, and he has my unconditional love, regardless of what I don't approve of.

I'm going to write Father Darth Vader Devil , a get well soon letter , and visit him in his prison/hell.

I'm willing to listen to him, be his friend, acknowledge him as a harder worker, who sacrifices himself for others, more than myself or most Christians do.

He seemed the "God of this world" but very lonely. He was once the most important and beautiful Archangels traditionally, with a name that means "Light bearer". I pray he becomes that light bearer , good Archangel he once was. :)

I see God being blamed for everything that has gone wrong.
Satan really does not deserve our sympathy or praise. The truth from God tells us the nature of Satan's game and it is not pretty.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I met him once a few years ago; because I was angry and I defied him and he came to me in a dream afterwards. He was going around murdering people in order to maintain his kingdom on earth. I didn't like that; so I attacked him with this weapon. A polearm or something. He was basically uneffected. I couldn't get through his armor he had on. His armor and the way he looked was reminscent of the video game cover of Overlord. Not exactly like that but that's what it reminds me of. I just put a small hole in the armor. But couldn't get through. He turns to me and says "Who is this?" And I said nothing. I hit him again and he said "Have I not been loyal?" I said "You're the wicked one" and then he acted like he had no choice but to kill me then; since I couldn't be reasoned with. So he charged at me and I knew I couldn't fight him because I had not been living right and I was sinning. So I reasoned out that I couldn't win. So I just prayed to Jesus for forgiveness of sins and to hide me and instantly I was gone somewhere else; a peaceful place.

Satan isn't as good as he makes himself out to be. Saying he's loyal and loving to his followers; all that hogwash. He tried that on me too; but I wasn't buying it. I think he's a murderer. When I saw him he cut down an entire family of people including children and just kept going. So humans are nothing but animals to him. He doesn't hesitate to kill anyone who gets in his way. He kills people constantly in order to maintain control of the world. He also enjoys any praise or honor people give him. People think it's a joke to wear devil horns or what have you; but for him it's real worship. So a lot people worship the devil.

Satan kills anyone who gets in his way unless they're protected by God and the elect angels.

This is why satan has no rest; he goes "to and fro" through the earth because he must maintain his kingdom. It's a full time job. So he's telling you partial truths but twisted with lies. He's always seeking whom he may devour. You should resist him like Jesus did with scriptures not believe his lies.

I'm glad that Christian prayers keep him in check from killing and corrupting even more people and one day he'll pay for all he's done to humans.

To keep things in perspective his lies about God being bad are ridiculous. Satan just wants everyone he pretends he loves so much to go in the lake of fire like he is already going. I suppose misery loves company. That isn't love. That's pure evil.
If it is true Satan kills without remorse, it means he is a very hateful, scared Angel, with no freedom or happiness.

It means he is the poorest and most miserable of souls, who probably hates himself , and his sentence to hell , that probably scares the hell out of him.

I truly feel sorry for him. Jesus says to love our enemies. He suffers the most.
 

paradox

(㇏(•̀ᵥᵥ•́)ノ)
Lucifer, the Devil, and Satan, I understand are not always considered the same entity, but an entity I never had interest in serving, because he is associated with selfishness, violence, hate, lust, pride, anger, covetousness, jealousy, laziness, gluttony, unforgiveness, addictions, no self control etc, seemed to speak to me today.

So, I don't seek any experiences with Satan, because I don't trust him as offering anything that brings lasting reward, just temporary reward , with bad consequences afterwards.

But I had what seemed a strong conviction, he was telling me that he is none of those things.

He showed me that as God of this world, what Scripture calls him, he has power as a leader on this world, that even God does not have.

He has responsibilities no human leader or spirit entity on earth has.

He carries out his responsibilities , to maintain his leadership of his kingdom for thousands of years, by being the one his followers turn to most for solutions, and blame everything on when things go wrong.

He deals with the pain of being at war with a God , who causes everyone's death and misery , with the curse of original sin, and the Devil takes the blame for God killing, cursing, and torturing innocent children and people, with his curses and chastisements, causing rapes, wars, and genocides the Devil never had anything to do with, but gets blamed for.

Yet God, his adversary , the more guilty one in causing human suffering and death, gets praised and worshipped , while God's sadistic , brutal, psychopathic acts, are all blamed on the Devil.

The Devil I realized, is suffering a lot, doesn't receive much joy, is extremely despised, misunderstood, and is diligently sacrificing and serving his despised, hated, outnumbered, falsely accused flock and kingdom.

He isn't nice to everyone, but is a great leader, and works overtime, to serve those whom he loves.

He isn't a selfish hedonistic pig, and seemed to be telling me , there is no time to play grab ***, when you have his responsibilities and burdens.

He is not fighting an easy battle, when Scripture says good Angels outnumber fallen Angels three to one.

And he is fighting against God and Christians , constantly attacking him with Spiritual warfare , and binding prayers, and curses.

Jesus being crucified, was not the plan of the Devil, but God's plan long before Jesus was born, so God killed Christ, and killed many Christians and innocent people, because that is how God treats his friends, yet the Devil receives the blame for God's cruelty, while his opponent who caused the crimes , is praised by the same people, like he is their hero.

I felt very sorry for Lucifer. I felt he needed some one willing to love him and appreciate how hard of a worker he is, how much suffering he goes through.

You would think the Devil has time to party, have orgies, immoral lifestyles, but I was surprised, when it seemed I was receiving messages that he needs to be very disciplined, he's been fighting the greatest mass murderer , God knows how many thousands of years, his job is high stress, it is a scary job, he's threatened with hell fire and torture forever, his Kingdom and earth require his constant attention.

He made it clear that pleasure, hedonism, money, and women , are never motives of his. He wants to be more clever, brilliant, strong, subtle, powerful, solve problems, be more diligent, creative, have more followers, but also wants to improve his kingdom.

He actually tries to encourage virtuous behavior, because a disciplined, wise, mature kingdom, at war, is going to do better, if disciplined, austere, not excessively hooked on pleasure, and most willing to sacrifice.

He appears more holy than me in many ways, because I would go nuts with all those responsibilities, being the guy everyone turns to when something goes wrong, being the "God of this world", being blamed for everything, while the other God is the guilty one being praised.

It would drive me totally nuts. His attitude is one of sacrifice and serve, even if power is a big motive.

He doesn't have much joy. No one with that kind of leadership and responsibilities he has can be a hedonistic pig , selfish, or lazy.

He knows he has to be very disciplined, austere, and responsible , to do his job well.

It was a feeling like I wanted to defend him , and pray for his redemption, like the prodigal son.

It also was a feeling of love for an entity I would never see anything good in, or want relationship with.

It felt like that scene from Star Wars , where Darth Vader said "Luke, I am your father".

It was an experience that felt like it was the Devil, but someone loveable, as loveable as your Dad.

It was a feeling like I would love to know how to make him happy, reconcile him with his enemies, help him rehabilitate, let him know I don't agree with tempting earth to do bad deeds, but I understand many of his vices, including his anger at God, and he has my unconditional love, regardless of what I don't approve of.

I'm going to write Father Darth Vader Devil , a get well soon letter , and visit him in his prison/hell.

I'm willing to listen to him, be his friend, acknowledge him as a harder worker, who sacrifices himself for others, more than myself or most Christians do.

He seemed the "God of this world" but very lonely. He was once the most important and beautiful Archangels traditionally, with a name that means "Light bearer". I pray he becomes that light bearer , good Archangel he once was. :)
I had encounter with the devil once.
It was temptation to join him, and the power he exercised over me is beyond humanly possible.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
I see God being blamed for everything that has gone wrong.

That's the problem with being an omnipotent and omniscient being. When people suffer, you get blamed just because you created the circumstances for that suffering and have the ability to remove it.
 

The Crimson Universe

Active Member
I don't know if it was a dream or if it was an actual voice that i heard a few years back while i was lying on my bed. It was a male voice and i heard him laughing. It sounded like an evil laugh. Then he said two things. I don't remember his exact words after all these years but he said something like... immense pain and suffering awaits me. If this was real and not a dream then i wonder why would he say something like that to me? o_O
 

1213

Well-Known Member
...
He showed me that as God of this world, what Scripture calls him, he has power as a leader on this world, that even God does not have....

Interesting claim. I think it is false, because:

Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth.
Matt. 28:18
 

paradox

(㇏(•̀ᵥᵥ•́)ノ)
Interesting claim. I think it is false, because:

Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth.
Matt. 28:18
While no one can deny this, same way no one can deny that the devil have also be given all power on earth and he shares it to whom he wishes:
Luke 4:6
 

The Crimson Universe

Active Member
Like @74x12 said The Devil tempts us with riches, power and success and lures us away from righteousness. He makes us do horrible things and then he blames us for our actions and drags us to his lake of fire.

We need to choose right from wrong. Its the only way to defeat the forces of evil.
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Interesting claim. I think it is false, because:

Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth.
Matt. 28:18
While no one can deny this, same way no one can deny that the devil have also be given all power on earth and he shares it to whom he wishes:
Luke 4:6
This is what we call contradictory.

Really. Who's in charge of this piece of crap?
 

paradox

(㇏(•̀ᵥᵥ•́)ノ)
This is what we call contradictory.

Really. Who's in charge of this piece of crap?
I never investigated scriptures about this, surely there is an answer but I think it's up to us to decide to which master to submit.
There is a verse I recall which say you can't serve both the light and darkness, meaning material earthly goods and heavenly goods (goods in afterlife), that is you either choose wellbeing here on earth or in afterlife but not both.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
That's the problem with being an omnipotent and omniscient being. When people suffer, you get blamed just because you created the circumstances for that suffering and have the ability to remove it.

The ability to remove it but at what cost? If God was to remove all injustice what would it mean for us?
If God is omnipotent and omniscient then He knows and also knows what is best in the long run and if we believe in the God of the Bible then we give Him the benefit of the doubt and trust in Him.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
This is what we call contradictory.

Really. Who's in charge of this piece of crap?

Satan probably can give us our short term earthly desires, but the real authority and power is with God, and it is clear in the Bible.
But Satan finds it convenient to use it to tempt us to go against God.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
The ability to remove it but at what cost? If God was to remove all injustice what would it mean for us?
If God is omnipotent and omniscient then He knows and also knows what is best in the long run and if we believe in the God of the Bible then we give Him the benefit of the doubt and trust in Him.

But if he is omnipotent and omniscient surely he can create a system in which suffering is not necessary.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
But if he is omnipotent and omniscient surely he can create a system in which suffering is not necessary.

I suppose, but that was probably what it could have been if things did not go wrong, and then out of the garden paradise this is what there is.
 

Ella S.

Well-Known Member
I'll preface this by saying that I no longer believe in the supernatural.

I had a ritual once where I met the Devil. He revealed that he wasn't some monster delighting in our torment and that the reason he cheats people out of deals is because everyone is always seeking him out to cheat someone else, usually through curses, or are looking to gain boons that other people are more deserving of.

He hates when people are abusive to one another, because he himself left Heaven in an effort to preserve his own independence. He denied trying to usurp God, but admitted to trying to get God to change the way he ran things. Now, he supports individual freedom for all, not selfish egoism. Things like slavery and oppression are contemptible to him and only remind him of God enslaving man in the Garden of Eden and his tyrannical rule of the angels in Heaven.

Far from being the ruler of this world, Satan presented more as a kind of Underworld deity, taking in the outcasts of the Abrahamic religions and caring for them even after death. He seemed to see a bit of himself in the black sheeps of the world.

It was a pretty interesting experience.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Way too complex for me.
I'm glad that as an atheist I neither have to deal with Satan nor God.

Dealing with my conscious self and my own devious unconscious mind is complex enough.
Thankfully, no supernatural entities invading my life.
 
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