Lucifer the hero? God the tyrant?

[Prometheus85]

Okay, so here's my theory. Yes, yes, I know we're all bored of Bible theories, but I've been sitting on this one forever and I really, really wanted to share it. If you're deeply religious and/or easily offended, keep reading because I want to read your response. But, you know, try not to lose your mind about it. It's just a theory.

We all know the story, After being kicked out of heaven for telling the big guy to go screw himself (i.e. leading a slave revolt), he became god’s prosecuting attorney and the foremost advocate for humanity’s right to know and understand what's going on around him. Some people think that makes Satan the first humanist. Lucifer was born with bat-like wings, rather than the traditional dove-like ones most angles have. Despite this huge defect (which made him the object of ridicule and discrimination), he persevered; through sheer hard work and born talent, he rose to the highest court in the world, only to come to the shocking realization that God believed that a lifetime of sin deserved an eternity of punishment. Perhaps seeing the injustice in infinite punishment for finite sins, he then rebelled against God, and eventually was exiled, along with the angels who supported him, one-third of heaven's population.

But doesn't anything there seem strange to you? Satan, the most evil being ever to have existed, managed to achieve a 1/3 minority despite running in opposition of the all-powerful creator of the universe. He must have had a hell of a case. Allowing for the individuals who remained loyal due to closely-held principles of loyalty or a desire to maintain the status quo/fear of change, it could easily be argued that a majority of the angels actually sympathized with Satan’s cause.

If anything, the evidence suggests that the great war of heaven was actually started when Satan encouraged a revolution built on the rights to freedom of thought and expression against what is essentially a tyrant titan.

 

[Stanyon]

If you're deeply religious and/or easily offended, keep reading because I want to read your response.

You aren't going to masturbate to them are you?

 

[Jollybear]

Okay, so here's my theory. Yes, yes, I know we're all bored of Bible theories, but I've been sitting on this one forever and I really, really wanted to share it. If you're deeply religious and/or easily offended, keep reading because I want to read your response. But, you know, try not to lose your mind about it. It's just a theory.

We all know the story, After being kicked out of heaven for telling the big guy to go screw himself (i.e. leading a slave revolt), he became god’s prosecuting attorney and the foremost advocate for humanity’s right to know and understand what's going on around him. Some people think that makes Satan the first humanist. Lucifer was born with bat-like wings, rather than the traditional dove-like ones most angles have. Despite this huge defect (which made him the object of ridicule and discrimination), he persevered; through sheer hard work and born talent, he rose to the highest court in the world, only to come to the shocking realization that God believed that a lifetime of sin deserved an eternity of punishment. Perhaps seeing the injustice in infinite punishment for finite sins, he then rebelled against God, and eventually was exiled, along with the angels who supported him, one-third of heaven's population.

But doesn't anything there seem strange to you? Satan, the most evil being ever to have existed, managed to achieve a 1/3 minority despite running in opposition of the all-powerful creator of the universe. He must have had a hell of a case. Allowing for the individuals who remained loyal due to closely-held principles of loyalty or a desire to maintain the status quo/fear of change, it could easily be argued that a majority of the angels actually sympathized with Satan’s cause.

If anything, the evidence suggests that the great war of heaven was actually started when Satan encouraged a revolution built on the rights to freedom of thought and expression against what is essentially a tyrant titan.

Your decieved.

God is pro liberty. But, is it unreasonable that he require his subjects to treat others right? No.

Also, this is Gods universe, he has a right to require us to live a certain way.

If lucifer does not like it, too bad.

In reality, its lucifer that is the tyrant because he requires everyone to be oppressed under multiple rules. Hes no pro liberty. Hes only pro liberty from God and his reasonable requirement.

Lucifer is ungrateful, immoral and sick and full of envy. Those that support him are just like him.

 

[dianaiad]

Okay, so here's my theory. Yes, yes, I know we're all bored of Bible theories, but I've been sitting on this one forever and I really, really wanted to share it. If you're deeply religious and/or easily offended, keep reading because I want to read your response. But, you know, try not to lose your mind about it. It's just a theory.

We all know the story, After being kicked out of heaven for telling the big guy to go screw himself (i.e. leading a slave revolt), he became god’s prosecuting attorney and the foremost advocate for humanity’s right to know and understand what's going on around him. Some people think that makes Satan the first humanist. Lucifer was born with bat-like wings, rather than the traditional dove-like ones most angles have. Despite this huge defect (which made him the object of ridicule and discrimination), he persevered; through sheer hard work and born talent, he rose to the highest court in the world, only to come to the shocking realization that God believed that a lifetime of sin deserved an eternity of punishment. Perhaps seeing the injustice in infinite punishment for finite sins, he then rebelled against God, and eventually was exiled, along with the angels who supported him, one-third of heaven's population.

But doesn't anything there seem strange to you? Satan, the most evil being ever to have existed, managed to achieve a 1/3 minority despite running in opposition of the all-powerful creator of the universe. He must have had a hell of a case. Allowing for the individuals who remained loyal due to closely-held principles of loyalty or a desire to maintain the status quo/fear of change, it could easily be argued that a majority of the angels actually sympathized with Satan’s cause.

If anything, the evidence suggests that the great war of heaven was actually started when Satan encouraged a revolution built on the rights to freedom of thought and expression against what is essentially a tyrant titan.

Yours is not a new theory.

Modern Satanists (the atheist types, not the people who actually believe he exists and worship him) go by that idea.

Milton had Satan talk about this, btw.....in "Paradise Lost."

Here we may reign secure, and in my choyce

To reign is worth ambition though in Hell:

Better to reign in Hell, then serve in Heav'n

Not precisely a new or unique meme.

 

[Politesse]

Okay, so here's my theory. Yes, yes, I know we're all bored of Bible theories, but I've been sitting on this one forever and I really, really wanted to share it. If you're deeply religious and/or easily offended, keep reading because I want to read your response. But, you know, try not to lose your mind about it. It's just a theory.

We all know the story, After being kicked out of heaven for telling the big guy to go screw himself (i.e. leading a slave revolt), he became god’s prosecuting attorney and the foremost advocate for humanity’s right to know and understand what's going on around him. Some people think that makes Satan the first humanist. Lucifer was born with bat-like wings, rather than the traditional dove-like ones most angles have. Despite this huge defect (which made him the object of ridicule and discrimination), he persevered; through sheer hard work and born talent, he rose to the highest court in the world, only to come to the shocking realization that God believed that a lifetime of sin deserved an eternity of punishment. Perhaps seeing the injustice in infinite punishment for finite sins, he then rebelled against God, and eventually was exiled, along with the angels who supported him, one-third of heaven's population.

But doesn't anything there seem strange to you? Satan, the most evil being ever to have existed, managed to achieve a 1/3 minority despite running in opposition of the all-powerful creator of the universe. He must have had a hell of a case. Allowing for the individuals who remained loyal due to closely-held principles of loyalty or a desire to maintain the status quo/fear of change, it could easily be argued that a majority of the angels actually sympathized with Satan’s cause.

If anything, the evidence suggests that the great war of heaven was actually started when Satan encouraged a revolution built on the rights to freedom of thought and expression against what is essentially a tyrant titan.

I note that nearly every dictator in history rose to power on an upswell of rebellion and promises of a better society. They often even go so far as to genuinely try to build their utopia, albeit over the bones of foe and friend alike. But the question remains - what of the outcome? If we can accept a few fragments of Biblical pondering as proof that all of this occurred, does that not oblige us to also accept that the Satan is incapable of speaking the truth, and that he desires the death and destruction of humanity? Wanting freedom for himself does not necessarily make a man (or angel) a good person. Nearly everyone desires such. Even those who voluntarily accept holy bondage for the most part desire to see that choice as a free one. That does not make any of us necessarily actually free, or good of character.

Your explanation of his motivations seems anachronistic to me, unless you are suggesting that God had always intended for Hell to exist and Lucifer to be in charge of it before he or anyone else had actually fallen from grace yet. Isn't the proposed order of events usually the other way around, that Satan tempted humanity, and that, in falling, we then condemned ourselves to the hell of fire and so forth?

 

[crossfire]

Okay, so here's my theory. Yes, yes, I know we're all bored of Bible theories, but I've been sitting on this one forever and I really, really wanted to share it. If you're deeply religious and/or easily offended, keep reading because I want to read your response. But, you know, try not to lose your mind about it. It's just a theory.

We all know the story, After being kicked out of heaven for telling the big guy to go screw himself (i.e. leading a slave revolt), he became god’s prosecuting attorney and the foremost advocate for humanity’s right to know and understand what's going on around him. Some people think that makes Satan the first humanist. Lucifer was born with bat-like wings, rather than the traditional dove-like ones most angles have. Despite this huge defect (which made him the object of ridicule and discrimination), he persevered; through sheer hard work and born talent, he rose to the highest court in the world, only to come to the shocking realization that God believed that a lifetime of sin deserved an eternity of punishment. Perhaps seeing the injustice in infinite punishment for finite sins, he then rebelled against God, and eventually was exiled, along with the angels who supported him, one-third of heaven's population.

But doesn't anything there seem strange to you? Satan, the most evil being ever to have existed, managed to achieve a 1/3 minority despite running in opposition of the all-powerful creator of the universe. He must have had a hell of a case. Allowing for the individuals who remained loyal due to closely-held principles of loyalty or a desire to maintain the status quo/fear of change, it could easily be argued that a majority of the angels actually sympathized with Satan’s cause.

If anything, the evidence suggests that the great war of heaven was actually started when Satan encouraged a revolution built on the rights to freedom of thought and expression against what is essentially a tyrant titan.

Lucifer and Satan are not the same. Lucifer has to die according to the passage in Isaiah.

I would equate Lucifer to the Jungian/Freudian ego and Satan to the Jungian Shadow. Obviously not the same at all.

 

[j1i]

Okay, so here's my theory. Yes, yes, I know we're all bored of Bible theories, but I've been sitting on this one forever and I really, really wanted to share it. If you're deeply religious and/or easily offended, keep reading because I want to read your response. But, you know, try not to lose your mind about it. It's just a theory.

We all know the story, After being kicked out of heaven for telling the big guy to go screw himself (i.e. leading a slave revolt), he became god’s prosecuting attorney and the foremost advocate for humanity’s right to know and understand what's going on around him. Some people think that makes Satan the first humanist. Lucifer was born with bat-like wings, rather than the traditional dove-like ones most angles have. Despite this huge defect (which made him the object of ridicule and discrimination), he persevered; through sheer hard work and born talent, he rose to the highest court in the world, only to come to the shocking realization that God believed that a lifetime of sin deserved an eternity of punishment. Perhaps seeing the injustice in infinite punishment for finite sins, he then rebelled against God, and eventually was exiled, along with the angels who supported him, one-third of heaven's population.

But doesn't anything there seem strange to you? Satan, the most evil being ever to have existed, managed to achieve a 1/3 minority despite running in opposition of the all-powerful creator of the universe. He must have had a hell of a case. Allowing for the individuals who remained loyal due to closely-held principles of loyalty or a desire to maintain the status quo/fear of change, it could easily be argued that a majority of the angels actually sympathized with Satan’s cause.

If anything, the evidence suggests that the great war of heaven was actually started when Satan encouraged a revolution built on the rights to freedom of thought and expression against what is essentially a tyrant titan.

If you quarrel with the devil (lucifer) because of personal differences you will believe in God and say that the devil tyrant because of your bad relationship with him
When you come to visit me at home, you have no right to arrange for my house
Satan wants to control and tamper with God's purposes
Satan does not have anything and wants to act with authority over God's property
He fabricates excuses for stealing God's property
Satan can only influence people to believe him

 

[1213]

...and the foremost advocate for humanity’s right to know and understand what's going on around him. ...

Unfortunately for you, there is no evidence for that idea.

...the evidence suggests that the great war of heaven was actually started when Satan encouraged a revolution built on the rights to freedom of thought and expression against what is essentially a tyrant titan.

Sorry, I see only evidence for the opposite. It is Jesus and the truth that frees, not the father of lies.

Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, "If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32

 

[calm]

According to the Bible, there hasn't been any rebellion yet. You should also know that Satan works for God, everything Satan does is required by God.

 

[OldTimeNESter]

Yours is not a new theory.

Modern Satanists (the atheist types, not the people who actually believe he exists and worship him) go by that idea.

Milton had Satan talk about this, btw.....in "Paradise Lost."

Here we may reign secure, and in my choyce

To reign is worth ambition though in Hell:

Better to reign in Hell, then serve in Heav'n

Not precisely a new or unique meme.

Indeed, Satan is the hero of Paradise Lost: that doesn't mean he's a great guy, just that he's the one instigating the action (both God and Jesus are referred to, but neither does anything after God's initial dispelling of Satan's army to Hell). Milton was concerned about this; his solution seems to be to have Satan focus entirely on destroying God's favored creation instead of proposing an alternative.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Lucifer and Satan are separate entities. One representing knowledge and light, the other hate and darkness.