Lucifer

[RememberGracey]

I have had several encounters with Lucifer. Actually, its been sort of a constant encounter. I've seen Lucifer (I've come to call him Luce, for short) as a large white dog. Every time I've seen the dog, it- he has smiled at me. He has solid black eyes that don't reflect light, and when he stares at you, its like he's seeing into your soul. It's very intimate and extremely disturbing. I saw the dog for the first time in my life when I was 12 years old and ever since then, it feels as if Luce is always with me, especially at night when I'm alone. When this happens, I can not see him, but I can feel him with me. I talk to him, usually not out loud, but we argue and talk about a lot of things. He seems to know everything that I say, think, do, or feel, so I can't keep anything from him. In order for you to understand why I've done what I've done, you need to know about my sister. She's 3 years older than me and she used to be my best friend. We were both raised in a small, hick/gossip-filled town. You know, the kind where everyone knows what happened as soon as its done. Well, I got out, and she didn't, and it turned her into one of those people. The small-town, dead-end, gossip-addicted people. But that's only half the reason that we fought. We used to be so close, like two complete polar opposite forces of nature. But we lost that because of so many things. A couple weeks ago, Luce came to me with a... proposition. In a nutshell, I could have that relationship with my sister back forever, in exchange for my soul. Now, you must understand that my sister is my best friend, my confidant, my rock. Without her, I wouldn't have a chance in hell. So of course, I had no choice. And guess what, my sister called me the next day. We've begun to work on our relationship. We're actually friends again. You should know that she's seen the dog too. I don't think she's ever had an encounter with Luce like I have, but she's seen the dog several times, and she knows who he is, just as I do. Kathryn does not know about my deal with Lucifer, and I don't ever want her to. Anyway, since I... for lack of a better term, sold my soul, I've felt the need to see him. The way I imagine Lucifer as a man is not how most people picture him. I picture him as beautiful, blonde hair, blue eyes, perfect in every way. Because he's the Prince of Lies, of trickery, of deceit and manipulation. People are more likely to trust a beautiful person, and after all, he was an angel. So I've decided that if I'm going to "sell my soul," I deserve to at least see him as he really is. So if anyone has any ideas or thoughts on how I could go about "conjuring" (i hate that word, but its really the only one that's accurate) him, I would be extremely grateful. I know, I know, it's stupid and reckless and could possibly cost me my life, but I feel like I need to.​

 

[Breathe]

Welcome to RF.

Why is your description of Lucifer rather, hmmm, how do I phrase this? Rather negative? That doesn't appear to be the case from the Luciferians on here, so I'm curious.

Do you consider yourself a Luciferian, then?

 

[RememberGracey]

No, I don't. I have a very.... "agnostic" or "non-denominational" perception when it comes to religion. I believe there is one, all-powerful God, and that Lucifer was an angel, cast down from Heaven. I do not believe that satan and Lucifer are the same being. I believe that satan is the root of all evil, king of the underworld, but that Lucifer is still the angel that was banished from Heaven. As an angel, I believe that Lucifer feels guilt and anger and sadness and all of the emotions that he would have felt as an angel, but that because of his abandonment by God, he does... what he does. He causes pain and fighting and hate and all the negative things that we, as humans, are tempted by. But I do believe that he has emotions just like we do. I don't think he's completely soulless.

 

[Breathe]

Can you expand upon your view of the differences between the persons of Satan and Lucifer?

Why would you sell your soul to a malevolent entity, may I ask?

 

[RememberGracey]

I believe that Lucifer is the angel who was banished from Heaven. An angel who feels emotion and guilt and all that, but is still the cause of horrible things. Satan, I see as another being who was.... well it's a lot like how Eve was supposedly created. God took Adam's rib bone or whatever, and created a woman out of it. As for Luce and Satan, the way I see it, Satan is like Eve, in that he was created only from the evil parts of Lucifer. The parts that got Luce cast down from Heaven. So because of the way he was created, Satan is all evil. He feels no emotion or guilt or happiness. Satan is the one that has no soul, but Luce, Luce is just a fallen angel. He does mean harm, but at least he feels bad about it.

 

[Breathe]

I see, thank you for sharing your point of view.

Then why would he still do things that made him feel guilty?
And why would you give your soul to such an entity?

 

[RememberGracey]

To fully understand why I've done what I've done, you would have to not just meet my sister, but to know her, and to know the way we used to be. Its the kind of thing that you get once in a lifetime, if that; and I lost that once before. I can't risk losing it again, and Luce came to me in a dream and told me that if I didn't sign my soul over to him, he would take her away from me. I know that if he wanted to do that, he could, and he would. But I can't let that happen. You see, I really didn't have much of a choice.

 

[Breathe]

May I ask how old you are? You have said your sister is 3 years older, but how old are you?

How long were you two distant?

 

[RememberGracey]

As for why he continues to do the things that he feels guilt for.... I don't know. As a matter of fact, that's part of why I need to see him. I want to know why. Why me? Why does he do these things if they bring him guilt? Why the white dog? There are a lot of questions, and questions are no good. What I need, are answers.

 

[RememberGracey]

My sister just turned 19, and I'm 16. We were at eachother's throats for at least 3 years. I can't be sure though, after a while, I stopped keeping track. We got in some serious fist fights and she would call me a whore and I'd call her an evil c*nt. It was hate. I don't know how we got to that point, but we literally hated eachother.

 

[Breathe]

Falling out with family is very common, especially common in the teenage years. Apparently it's very common for sisters to fall out with one another.

Before you consider something like selling your soul (this is the DIR, which means not debate, but I don't believe such a thing is even possible - but that's the last I will mention it), have you considered doing some activities together, like watching a TV show together, or board games, video games together, etc?

Plus, ask yourself this: hypothetically speaking, if this was Lucifer who was really a malevolent entity who wanted to take your soul from you, but feels bad about it, why is he taking your soul, and how would he be able to take your soul and in payment make you and your sister close again? Would that not interfere with free will, or something? How would he be able to change her to make her stop you two from fighting, short of either changing you or changing her?

 

[RememberGracey]

As far as activities together go, its not really possible. She's tutoring me in Algebra II online but she lives in Texas and I live in Colorado, so there's not much opportunity to spend time with her.
As for Luce, I don't know how or why, but I do know that after the dream where I signed the contract, (all of the text on the contract was blurred and I couldn't read it, but I knew what it said.) the next day, my sister called me and told me that she wanted our relationship to work, and we've been great ever since. I don't know about you, but I don't believe in coincidences, which can only mean that something, I'm not sure what, but something happened that night.

 

[Gloone]

I would like to know why exactly you would want to summon Lucifer.

 

[RememberGracey]

Because of the things that I've previously explained, my reasons for "summoning" Luce would be extremely difficult, if not completely impossible, to explain to someone who has never experienced that before.

 

[Gloone]

Well as of right now, I would say you are probably on Lucifer’s good side. I wouldn’t worry about whatever it is that may be bothering you even if you never see Lucifer again, for the rest of your life.
Chances are you were given a chance, Lucifer gave it to you, and now it is up to you to make the best of it.

 

[Gloone]

You could be experiencing some type of telepathy in your dreams too. Where Lucifer is more like a Medium.

 

[RememberGracey]

I hadn't thought of that but its a possibility =)

 

[RememberGracey]

UPDATE:
Its 2/6/11 at about 7pm (and yes, I'm watching the superbowl =) Last night, I decided to use my literary talents to write my own spell (herbs and stuff included) and I finally completed it. I used Latin for parts of it and I plan to "cast" it late tonight. I'll be sure to add another update once I've completed it to let you all know how it went.

p.s. Thanks for your supportive and helpful feedback!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Just because Lucifer was the angel at God's left hand, and he rebelled against God and was cast away from Heaven does not make him a bad person, the prince of lies, of trickery, of deceit and manipulation, or any of that stuff. If you look at the big picture, it can be sad that God is the vile one, creating man to be enslaved to his whims. So he rebelled, and as a part of this rebellion he took the hand of God's greatest creation, and lead us to the gift of free will.
But Lucifer generally represents free-will and independence, and the notion of forcing someone to behave in a certain manner is almost unheard of. Lucifer does not want worship, or to control the lives of humans. It also strikes me as odd that he would feel bad about something.
But both you and your sister are in what can be very turbulent times in your physical and psychological development that can be filled with alot of turmoil. Fall-outs and make-ups are common, and under normal circumstances shouldn't be seen as anything too serious.
As for the appearance of Lucifer, he appears to differently to different people, but the two common descriptions is that of a wolf or serpent.

 

[RememberGracey]

Like I said before, I don't have any explaination for Luce or the way he appears to me, I just know that's how I "see" him. Thank you for your input though =) I really appreciate it (=