Luciferianism and mormonism....

[porkchop]

Luciferianism and mormonism.
Ive noticed recently that these two religions have similar beliefs on the Adam and Eve story and was wondering if there are any more similarities.
For example,from what i have read on here and from speaking to mormons, it seems they both agree Eve did the right thing taking the fruit off the tree of Knowledge.
From reading the thread with Danisty in her sub forum, LDS seemed to be a prefered religion to her in comparison to other christian sects/denominations. Interesting.

 

[Quiddity]

I'm discussing that with Polaris (Mormon) at the moment:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=840992#post840992

There does appear to be a similarity.

 

[Polaris]

Those are two pretty disparate data points from which to draw any comparative conclusions. I'm sure it you were to look into it you would find that Luciferianism has minute similarities to any denomination.

 

[porkchop]

So you are saying that Luciferanism and Mormonism are they same thing?

Hardly, we see Satan as the Father of all Lies, the Devil, the evil one. Our beliefs are not as similar as you would like to try to believe. This is a far cry for Luciferanism, and an insult to us, but you do not seem to think so.

Im saying nothing of the sort, Becky, just pionting out the similarities between the two and wondering what people thought. Would seem im not the only one.

 

[porkchop]

I'm discussing that with Polaris (Mormon) at the moment:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=840992#post840992

There does appear to be a similarity.

Interesting, ill have a read of that, thanks Victor.

 

[Special Revelation]

Luciferianism and mormonism.
Ive noticed recently that these two religions have similar beliefs on the Adam and Eve story and was wondering if there are any more similarities.
For example,from what i have read on here and from speaking to mormons, it seems they both agree Eve did the right thing taking the fruit off the tree of Knowledge.
From reading the thread with Danisty in her sub forum, LDS seemed to be a prefered religion to her in comparison to other christian sects/denominations. Interesting.

Interesting Thread...

I see striking resemblance and similarities with Mormonism and Islam. Consider the revelation accounts of both prophet Mohammad and prophet Joesph Smith. Conisder their lower view of Jesus Christ as compared to orthodox Christians.

 

[porkchop]

Those are two pretty disparate data points from which to draw any comparative conclusions. I'm sure it you were to look into it you would find that Luciferianism has minute similarities to any denomination.

Thats why i started the thread; to look into it more.

 

[Quiddity]

Those are two pretty disparate data points from which to draw any comparative conclusions. I'm sure it you were to look into it you would find that Luciferianism has minute similarities to any denomination.

Porkchop can speak for herself but I think she was specifically talking about the fall.

 

[porkchop]

Interesting Thread...

I see striking resemblance and similarities with Mormonism and Islam. Consider the revelation accounts of both prophet Mohammad and prophet Joesph Smith. Conisder their lower view of Jesus Christ as compared to orthodox Christians.

Hey, you got yourself atitle for a new thread there, special R. Sounds like some interesting points youve raised that i hadnt considered.

 

[porkchop]

Porkchop can speak for herself but I think she was specifically talking about the fall.

Yup, i was, thanks Victor. I see it as crucial to the christian faith. ( the fall account)

 

[porkchop]

As do we, we see it as a very essential part of the Plan of Salvation -- who is saying otherwise?

I havent heard anyone say otherwise, but ive seen people get it wrong, and its important to get it right, because, as i said, its crucial to the christian faith.

 

[Quiddity]

Quite similarties to Jesus Christ and Mithra? Paganism has several similarities to Christianity, but that would not make a Christian a Pagan would it?

I didn't take it that way. I just read her saying that Luciferianism and Mormonism share beliefs in a specific area. But yeah, you are right, you can find similarities in any religion. Although I will say that how one views the fall effects how you may interpret other parts of the Bible.

 

[Truth_Faith13]

Interesting Thread...

I see striking resemblance and similarities with Mormonism and Islam. Consider the revelation accounts of both prophet Mohammad and prophet Joesph Smith. Conisder their lower view of Jesus Christ as compared to orthodox Christians.

Not really. Islam doesnt accept Jesus as the Son of God, but only a messenger. LDS accept Jesus as the Son of God.

 

[porkchop]

That seems to be the main clincher here, you can find them in any religion, but she chooses to focuses on Mormonism and Lucifieranism? Two faiths/practices she has very little regard for? To me it hardly seems concidental. Would it not bother you if someone tried to compare Catholocism and Lucifernaism (and I am sure it's been done). It's the sort of thing that bothers me, sure I do not like your faith and I've repeatedly in the past called in non-Christian and that you worship a false Christ, but I really want to learn the similarites between yours and Luciferianism as a learning experience?

Who's SHE? The cats mother????

 

[SoyLeche]

Conisder their lower view of Jesus Christ as compared to orthodox Christians.

Umm - I'm thinking you don't understand the LDS view of Jesus Christ as well as you think you do.

 

[Darkness]

Hardly, we see Satan as the Father of all Lies, the Devil, the evil one. Our beliefs are not as similar as you would like to try to believe. This is a far cry for Luciferanism, and an insult to us, but you do not seem to think so.

Luciferians see Lucifer and Satan as seperate beings. But I guess that is a moot point. And I am sure our Luciferians are equally as insulted.

 

[Quiddity]

That seems to be the main clincher here, you can find them in any religion, but she chooses to focuses on Mormonism and Lucifieranism? Two faiths/practices she has very little regard for? To me it hardly seems concidental. Would it not bother you if someone tried to compare Catholocism and Lucifernaism (and I am sure it's been done). It's the sort of thing that bothers me, sure I do not like your faith and I've repeatedly in the past called in non-Christian and that you worship a false Christ, but I really want to learn the similarites between yours and Luciferianism as a learning experience?

It wouldn’t bother me personally.

 

[Halcyon]

Umm - I'm thinking you don't understand the LDS view of Jesus Christ as well as you think you do.

I don't want to speak for SR, but i think he was referring to Jesus in the subordinate role of the Son, compared to God the Father.

It wasn't obvious? It's you. You have obvious great distaste for the LDS religion, we've all seen it, so it doesn't seem like much of a concidence that you would start a thread like this.

I don't believe porkchop designed the OP as a loaded statement/question becky, just an observation, although i can see how you could take it personally - comparing your faith to one so theologically opposite.

I can see this thread rapidly turning into an exchange of insults, instead why not turn the thread around and use it for a positive comparative religious discussion?

Personally, i do not see too much of a similarity between the serpent myths of the two faiths. Luciferianism has more in common with the Gnostic myth, with the serpent in the role of revealer.
The LDS version has the event of Eve eating of the fruit as part of God's pre-planned drama, allowing for the evolution of free will/free choice in mankind.

 

[Ðanisty]

So you are saying that Luciferanism and Mormonism are they same thing?

Hardly, we see Satan as the Father of all Lies, the Devil, the evil one. Our beliefs are not as similar as you would like to try to believe. This is a far cry for Luciferanism, and an insult to us, but you do not seem to think so.

I'm surprised by your reaction Becky. We've talked about this in the past when you were interested in the similarities. I thought we had an understanding. As adherents to misunderstood religions, I always felt a bit of a kinship here. I would never take it as an insult to be compared to the LDS regardless of whether it was intended as an insult or not. (For the record, I'm not a mind reader and I don't know how it was intended)

That seems to be the main clincher here, you can find them in any religion, but she chooses to focuses on Mormonism and Lucifieranism? Two faiths/practices she has very little regard for? To me it hardly seems concidental. Would it not bother you if someone tried to compare Catholocism and Lucifernaism (and I am sure it's been done). It's the sort of thing that bothers me, sure I do not like your faith and I've repeatedly in the past called in non-Christian and that you worship a false Christ, but I really want to learn the similarites between yours and Luciferianism as a learning experience?

If she already has very little regard for both religions, what have you gained by disassociating yourself with me and my beliefs? You can't make anyone have a positive regard for the LDS. If this had turned out to be a trap, I would have jumped in for you later. As a side note, it seems you don't know enough about my friendship with Victor to make a comparison. We discuss religious similarities and differences all the time and so far, I'm not aware that he has been offended in any way.

I have to say, I'm really intrigued how similarities are turning into another way to be intolerant. If somebody has a real interest in working out the similarities and differences between the LDS and Luciferianism, please say something. Otherwise, what purpose does this thread serve?

 

[lizskid]

Luciferians see Lucifer and Satan as seperate beings. But I guess that is a moot point. And I am sure our Luciferians are equally as insulted.

Glad to see you pointed that out, Darkness, we all make that urban legend come true if we don't see the truth in this. Becky brings up valid faith views of Satan, but Lucifer, in Luciferian faith is someone much different.