Lust Isn't A Sin It's A Punishment?

[vaguelyhumanoid]

'Cruel BDSM', meaning that it isn't just about being kinky; yet causing physical pain, to hurt something, as you're messed up, is why would say it is dark.

BDSM is consensual by definition; otherwise it's just abuse. Many people engage in BDSM activities as part of a loving relationship.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

...the lavish use of whipped cream, etc.

Nice.

 

[morphesium]

I like science but it's just too slow and blunt.

I just can't imagine of people saying this. religion was with humanity (in one form or another) and what did it contribute to humanity other than crippling morals, hampering the progress of science and hindering human beings rational thinking capacity.

Modern science is just over a 100 years old - and see its contributions - and you call it slow!. the very computer, the internet.....etc, that you were using as you typed this - and you call it blunt!

Ritual concerned with "vital force" makes alot sense to me.In psychology such an act is about identification by way of consuming.When they consume a part of someone they consume that person's part of unique energy can be a spiritual explanation.That is the core of oral sex.

Truly, you are far away from true science or rational thinking. There are many human beings who are vegs and there are people who are non-vegs who consume some part of other animal body. When someone consume food - its all about carbohydrates, fats, proteins etc and not about spiritual energy.

My religion doesn't ban anything to me.I son't exactly have a religion.So i don't see sex as a sin so i don't feel strong when i avoid it.I see sex as a punishment because it is weakening.Like i said i am narcissistic and i believe connecting with , loving someone causes weakness and is a sign of weakness because it just lessens my self love and lessens my importance.

I think i can make a suggestion here to make you more "powerful". Since you see sex (a kind of pleasure) as punishment, good taste (again a kind of pleasure)should be a punishment. Everything good could be a punishment for you. So stay away from those and make yourself more important.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

'Cruel BDSM', meaning that it isn't just about being kinky; yet causing physical pain, to hurt something, as you're messed up, is why would say it is dark.

Can't it just be one of the many different ways people enjoy sex? Why does it mean I'm messed up if I sometimes get aroused when I get a piercing? Screw harder if pain is inflicted? Or get excited by just thinking about being clawed and bitten?

 

[Treks]

Lust is one of the 5 evils in the Sikh faith, (along with pride, anger, attachment, and greed), because it can cause us to forget very important things. In many Dharmic faiths sins don't exist, (Sikhs are a unique exception), for example adultery in many of those faiths is ok as long as the intent was good? Lust by itself sometimes causes suffering.

I didn't know there was sin in Sikhi. Whilst some translate "paap" or "paapi" as sin/sinner, the strict definition of sin is "an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law." Sikhi doesn't really have such divine laws to be transgressed, at least, not that I've seen.

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

In dharmic religions there is this idea that sexual energy can be purified into a more refined energy aka kundalini.Also in lots of religions there is this idea that sexual abstinence leads to greater spiritual power.

There is something wrong and weakening with sexuality.I think at the least it is contradictory with narcissism.I am a virgin and quiet narcissistic but still i have weakness with opposite sex.I am conquering this weakness more and more.I realised that i am getting stronger and stronger.By and by i need sexuality and connection with opposite sex less.

I don't see myself as pure or superior to others but i am just trying to get stronger and beat my weaknesses.I don't know much about kundalini but i just convert sexual energy to self love.So i am pretty much in dark about how to convert sexual energy to get stronger.

So how can we purify sexual energy to get stronger?

Lust only comes after the first touch ? It gets lusty ?
Think your letting desire and anxiety cloud your thoughts

 

[sandy whitelinger]

So how can we purify sexual energy to get stronger?

Legalized prostitution?

 

[SSDSSDSSD3]

I didn't know there was sin in Sikhi. Whilst some translate "paap" or "paapi" as sin/sinner, the strict definition of sin is "an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law." Sikhi doesn't really have such divine laws to be transgressed, at least, not that I've seen.

I apologize for the late reply, Sikhi does believe certain things are against the divine God, unlike other Dharmic religions Sikhi is 100% Monotheistic. It's a part of the monotheistic faiths that a concept like Sin exists, 'Paap' could be translated to sin, because sin has to do with denying God. I once made a Sikhi-Christian comparison on this site. http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...f-sikhi-and-christianity.177068/#post-4295122

 

[Treks]

I apologize for the late reply, Sikhi does believe certain things are against the divine God, unlike other Dharmic religions Sikhi is 100% Monotheistic. It's a part of the monotheistic faiths that a concept like Sin exists, 'Paap' could be translated to sin, because sin has to do with denying God. I once made a Sikhi-Christian comparison on this site. http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...f-sikhi-and-christianity.177068/#post-4295122

I am the queen of late replies, so it's ok, jio.

I was of the understanding Sikhi is panentheistic, rather than monotheistic. Gurbani describes the Ik Onkar as something less personalised than a monotheistic God-character (that is, a God entity with a personality who speaks in the first person).

"Paap", and in fact the word "sin" itself, may be better translated as "mistake". The word "sin" as used in Abrahamic faiths at least, seems to carry more weight than a mistake. When an Abrahamic follower sins, they have transgressed against God, and must seek forgiveness. Forgiveness of sins, confessing of sins, deadly sins, etc. In Sikhi, there isn't such an emphasis.

Can you tell me which things in Sikhi are against the divine God, or that you would classify as a sin against Guruji?

I think this tuk from the shalok of Japji Sahib sums up Sikhi's position best:

Good deeds and bad deeds-the record is read out in the Presence of the Lord of Dharma.
According to their own actions, some are drawn closer, and some are driven farther away.​

Sikhs don't make mistakes by transgressing God's laws (I'm not even sure what laws have been laid down in Sikhi). Sikhs make mistakes by being tangled up with ego-maya and failing to recognise the Sat that is eternal. This is the be-all and end-all.

 

[SSDSSDSSD3]

I am the queen of late replies, so it's ok, jio.

I was of the understanding Sikhi is panentheistic, rather than monotheistic. Gurbani describes the Ik Onkar as something less personalised than a monotheistic God-character (that is, a God entity with a personality who speaks in the first person).

"Paap", and in fact the word "sin" itself, may be better translated as "mistake". The word "sin" as used in Abrahamic faiths at least, seems to carry more weight than a mistake. When an Abrahamic follower sins, they have transgressed against God, and must seek forgiveness. Forgiveness of sins, confessing of sins, deadly sins, etc. In Sikhi, there isn't such an emphasis.

Can you tell me which things in Sikhi are against the divine God, or that you would classify as a sin against Guruji?

I think this tuk from the shalok of Japji Sahib sums up Sikhi's position best:

Good deeds and bad deeds-the record is read out in the Presence of the Lord of Dharma.
According to their own actions, some are drawn closer, and some are driven farther away.​

Sikhs don't make mistakes by transgressing God's laws (I'm not even sure what laws have been laid down in Sikhi). Sikhs make mistakes by being tangled up with ego-maya and failing to recognise the Sat that is eternal. This is the be-all and end-all.

I can understand why you or many other people with knowledge of Sikhi would believe that it's panentheistic because of the idea is omnipresence of Vaheguru is mentioned a lot, but I also believe and acknowledge that the Guru is the very form of Vaheguru: "
ਜੋਤਿ ਰੂਪਿ ਹਰਿ ਆਪਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਕਹਾਯਉ ॥
जोति रूपि हरि आपि गुरू नानकु कहायउ ॥
Joṯ rūp har āp gurū Nānak kahā▫ya▫o.
The Embodiment of Light, the Lord Himself is called Guru Nanak" (Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Ang 1408). I also believe that ultimately we need Grace of Vaheguru/God to be saved, not just good works, because morality is subjective. I believe we can argue on the real definition of paap for a long time and never get an answer, but I'll let the idea of the mistake stay, but you can get a lot of shabads about the sinner here: http://www.realsikhism.com/index.php?action=quotes&topicid=38&topicname=Sinner