Macron refuses to appoint socialist Prime Minister

[Estro Felino]

Yes, yes... any day now!

Don't underestimate law enforcement.
Law enforcement are armed. Underpaid because of the euro system.

Fill the dots.

Ow believe me, I'm not.

That's a relief.

Ow, you are one of those.

Just when I thought your delusional credibility couldn't sink any lower....

I find it hilarious btw, to see you consider yourself a socialist.
Your posts reads like a pamflet of neo-nazi extreme right wingers.

The EU has caused so much social inequality. So you started it by saying that the Eurocracy favored high standards of living.
Which is true: the élites' standards of living rose immensely.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Don't underestimate law enforcement.
Law enforcement are armed. Underpaid because of the euro system.

Fill the dots.

No, I have no interest in delusional speculation.

The EU has caused so much social inequality. So you started it by saying that the Eurocracy favored high standards of living.
Which is true: the élites' standards of living rose immensely.

Let's talk again in the alternate universe where Italy leaves the EU and Italy goes back to the worthless Lira, all prices double or triple, plenty of companies go bankrupt due to no longer being able to compete on the international stage and tourism crumbles.
Let's see your "standard of living" then.


Remember the example I gave you of the reel of tennis string?

Pre brexit = same prices as germany and belgium and delivery within 48 hours.
Post brexit = 20% more expensive as germany and belgium and delivery only after 10 days.

Curiously you never responded to that one.

 

[Estro Felino]

Let's talk again in the alternate universe where Italy leaves the EU and Italy goes back to the worthless Lira, all prices double or triple, plenty of companies go bankrupt due to no longer being able to compete on the international stage and tourism crumbles.
Let's see your "standard of living" then.

It's our own business. Not yours.
Think of your own welfare.
And by the way, I studied macroeconomics, so I know these are just false speculations.
The euro is not a deity. We can live without the demonic deity called €.

Are you suggesting that the technocrats in Brussels are scared to death by the idea of an Italexit?

Remember the example I gave you of the reel of tennis string?

Pre brexit = same prices as germany and belgium and delivery within 48 hours.
Post brexit = 20% more expensive as germany and belgium and delivery only after 10 days.

Curiously you never responded to that one.

UK has resurrected from evil after Brexit. It has become a free country.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It's our own business. Not yours.

Yes, it's your business. But you made claims about how it would be better for you. It wouldn't.

And by the way, I studied macroeconomics, so I know these are just false speculations.

These are not speculations.
Leaving the EU = leaving the single market, making import/export more expensive. ie, harder to compete internationally.
When it comes to trade, being in the EU you benefit from free movement of goods and people. This brings prices DOWN.

Leaving will expose trade to a whole bunch of extra checks, regulations, tarrifs, etc. This touches upon industry and commerce from top to bottom.
Industry within Italy that requires resources from, say, France or Germany is suddenly going to find it harder and more expensive to get these resources.
This slows down production AND raises costs. This in turn raises prices. Then if they want to export those products, the extra checks, tarrifs, etc will add additional costs to that as well. Result is vastly more expensive Italian products on the international market, which in turn means less competitive.

Having studied "macro economics", it's kind of strange that you don't realize these things.

The euro is not a deity. We can live without the demonic deity called €.

Sure, you can live without it. You can also live without a roof over your head.

Are you suggesting that the technocrats in Brussels are scared to death by the idea of an Italexit?

Nobody seems to be worried about that because it's not going to happen.
We are just talking hypothetically.

UK has resurrected from evil after Brexit. It has become a free country.

Uhu.
Good job not addressing the point made.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, it's your business. But you made claims about how it would be better for you. It wouldn't.



These are not speculations.
Leaving the EU = leaving the single market, making import/export more expensive. ie, harder to compete internationally.
When it comes to trade, being in the EU you benefit from free movement of goods and people. This brings prices DOWN.

Leaving will expose trade to a whole bunch of extra checks, regulations, tarrifs, etc. This touches upon industry and commerce from top to bottom.
Industry within Italy that requires resources from, say, France or Germany is suddenly going to find it harder and more expensive to get these resources.
This slows down production AND raises costs. This in turn raises prices. Then if they want to export those products, the extra checks, tarrifs, etc will add additional costs to that as well. Result is vastly more expensive Italian products on the international market, which in turn means less competitive.

One question: may I ask you what your titles are?
Do you have a degree? In what?

We are a Mediterranean country, and we dominate the economy of the Mediterranean, together with our countries.
We are not interested in other kinds of trade. In the North Sea or in the Baltic Sea.
Northern Europeans have never really understood Italy and Italian economy.
NEVER.

Having studied "macro economics", it's kind of strange that you don't realize these things.

Yes, I also had very good grading.

Sure, you can live without it. You can also live without a roof over your head.

Do I care about Belgium?
I am saddened that it will become a Sharia country...but I mind my own business. Poor yous.

Nobody seems to be worried about that because it's not going to happen.

If a revolution breaks out, of course it will happen.
So never say never.
You are not God. You are not omniscient.

We are just talking hypothetically.

The fact that you are saying it's impossible confirms that Benelux will commit a mass suicide when Italy exits the euro.
let alone the European Union.

Good job not addressing the point made.

It's about European Union also.

The funny thing is that yesterday you asked me to define what a technocrat is.

A Belgian asking what a technocrat is, it's like a Freemason asking what Freemasonry is.
Tu me prends pour une conne, cher monsieur?

 

[RestlessSoul]

First, France isn't a monarchy, so it doesn't have a "king".

France was a republic when Napoleon crowned himself emperor; Macron didn't get the nickname Napoleon for nothing.

Ask French people about the state of their politics, and a phrase you'll hear constantly is "il y a un colere en France" - There is an anger in France. And it's rising.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

France was a republic when Napoleon crowned himself emperor; Macron didn't get the nickname Napoleon for nothing.

Ask French people about the state of their politics, and a phrase you'll hear constantly is "il y a un colere en France" - There is an anger in France. And it's rising.

Cool story bro

Meanwhile, my point was that France isn't a monarchy and doesn't have a king, in response to the post saying the PM is appointed by the king.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Cool story bro

Meanwhile, my point was that France isn't a monarchy and doesn't have a king, in response to the post saying the PM is appointed by the king.

Just thought you might be interested in something other than scoring points. You know, like learning something.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

UK has resurrected from evil after Brexit. It has become a free country.

How do you call yourself a Leftist when all you do is bring up RW talking points and conspiracies and praise RW autocrats?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Freemason asking what Freemasonry is.

And what's up with Freemason stuff? I've known several of them, my best friend's dad is one and my grandfather was a 32° Mason. If anything, it's am adult version of the Heman Woman Hater's Club that is megahuge into symbolism and ritual.

 

[Estro Felino]

And what's up with Freemason stuff? I've known several of them, my best friend's dad is one and my grandfather was a 32° Mason. If anything, it's am adult version of the Heman Woman Hater's Club that is megahuge into symbolism and ritual.

Thirty-second.
Evidently there are also a first and a second grade or degree or whatever that means.

 

[Estro Felino]

How do you call yourself a Leftist when all you do is bring up RW talking points and conspiracies and praise RW autocrats?

I just tell you that the leader of the Italian Communist Party is against the EU, and for Italexit.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

We are a Mediterranean country, and we dominate the economy of the Mediterranean, together with our countries.
We are not interested in other kinds of trade. In the North Sea or in the Baltic Sea.

lol

Main destination of Italy's exports: France and Germany
Tourism: accounts for ~10% of Italian economy. EU citizens = biggest share of tourists in Italy

Here's a breakdown of Italy's total exports in 2022

Here's the breakdown of imports

Also keep in mind that trade with non-EU countries are regulated through trade deals from the EU with those countries, which are beneficial since the EU as a large economic block of some 450 million consumers carries a lot of weight in negotiations. These trade deals would no longer apply upon exiting the EU which means Italy would fall back on WTO tariffs until it negotiates its own trade deals with those non-EU countries. This will first of all take time (meanwhile = expensive tariffs) and you can be sure as hell that you won't get as good deals as when you have the backing of the large EU bloc in such negotiations.


Italy will surely manage and survive. But if you think you'll be better of and have a higher standard of living and things will not become more expensive across the board, you are simply delusional.

I am saddened that it will become a Sharia country...

Yes yes, any day now

If a revolution breaks out, of course it will happen.
So never say never.
You are not God. You are not omniscient.

I don't need to be a god. I just need a brain and common sense.

The fact that you are saying it's impossible confirms that Benelux will commit a mass suicide when Italy exits the euro.
let alone the European Union.

I don't think I said it is impossible. I just said that it's not going to happen. There's nothing pointing in that direction at all.
Italians aren't that stupid. If you think brexit is in any way comparable, you are delusional.
Britain has always been the odd kid in town in the EU. The relationship with Britain has always been very flimsy in that sense.

But even there, we can see that it wasn't the best idea.
Again I will refer you to the example I gave you of the reel of tennis string.
Delivery time exploded. Price exploded. Competitiveness dropped immensely.

None of this is good news.

The other day we were looking for a city trip to London. I saw the prices and we quickly switched to Paris.

It's about European Union also.

No, it's about citizen of nation X claiming they would be better of if X left the EU.
The evidence says otherwise.

The funny thing is that yesterday you asked me to define what a technocrat is.
A Belgian asking what a technocrat is, it's like a Freemason asking what Freemasonry is.

Because I wanted to make sure we weren't talking past each other.
Sue me.

Tu me prends pour une conne, cher monsieur?

Yes.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Just thought you might be interested in something other than scoring points. You know, like learning something.

I'm always up for learning something. Learning is good.
Which is why I was pointing out that France isn't a monarchy.
I'm well aware that there is political turmoil in France.
And I see the protests on the news. It's pretty clear those people are angry.

 

[Estro Felino]

lol

Main destination of Italy's exports: France and Germany
Tourism: accounts for ~10% of Italian economy. EU citizens = biggest share of tourists in Italy

Here's a breakdown of Italy's total exports in 2022


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Here's the breakdown of imports

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Also keep in mind that trade with non-EU countries are regulated through trade deals from the EU with those countries, which are beneficial since the EU as a large economic block of some 450 million consumers carries a lot of weight in negotiations. These trade deals would no longer apply upon exiting the EU which means Italy would fall back on WTO tariffs until it negotiates its own trade deals with those non-EU countries. This will first of all take time (meanwhile = expensive tariffs) and you can be sure as hell that you won't get as good deals as when you have the backing of the large EU bloc in such negotiations.


Italy will surely manage and survive. But if you think you'll be better of and have a higher standard of living and things will not become more expensive across the board, you are simply delusional.



Yes yes, any day now



I don't need to be a god. I just need a brain and common sense.



I don't think I said it is impossible. I just said that it's not going to happen. There's nothing pointing in that direction at all.
Italians aren't that stupid. If you think brexit is in any way comparable, you are delusional.
Britain has always been the odd kid in town in the EU. The relationship with Britain has always been very flimsy in that sense.

But even there, we can see that it wasn't the best idea.
Again I will refer you to the example I gave you of the reel of tennis string.
Delivery time exploded. Price exploded. Competitiveness dropped immensely.

None of this is good news.

The other day we were looking for a city trip to London. I saw the prices and we quickly switched to Paris.



No, it's about citizen of nation X claiming they would be better of if X left the EU.
The evidence says otherwise.

I spoke of the eurozone primarily.
I meant that Poland, Sweden, Denmark are not in the eurozone...so I would like to understand why we should remain.
As for the EU...it needs to change.

If you guys kick out all those technocrats and bankers from Brussels...maybe no more countries will leave.

Because I wanted to make sure we weren't talking past each other.
Sue me.

Ok...good...you just reminded me of the Freemason Monti who was asked on TV whether he was a Freemason...and he said that he didn't even know what Freemasonry was.

Yes.

Je l'avais compris...tu me prends pour une conne. Bon...je m'en fous.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I spoke of the eurozone primarily.
I meant that Poland, Sweden, Denmark are not in the eurozone...so I would like to understand why we should remain.
As for the EU...it needs to change.

If you guys kick out all those technocrats and bankers from Brussels...maybe no more countries will leave.

No, you were talking about trade.

 

[Estro Felino]

No, you were talking about trade.

You were implying that trade and euro...the demonic deity worshipped by the ECB are intertwined.
They are not.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You were implying that trade and euro...the demonic deity worshipped by the ECB are intertwined.
They are not.

I didn't, actually. Sounds like you are imagining things again

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Thirty-second.
Evidently there are also a first and a second grade or degree or whatever that means.

It's not hard to find out. And, also, 32° is pretty high within tue Scottish Rite, basically meaning my grandfather was a Master Mason who dedicated a lot of time and effort into studying the philosophical and metaphysical elements and themes of Freemasonry.

I just tell you that the leader of the Italian Communist Party is against the EU, and for Italexit.

That does not address my question. Amd it is a curious thing. You call yourself a Leftist but you repeat RW talking points and firmly support RW politics.