ecco
Veteran Member
Mirror, mirror on the wall...
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Madam President
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Mirror, mirror on the wall...
ecco
Veteran Member
That is the point you just don't want to comprehend. The only thing that I think about Tulsi is that she is unelectable.
As I have explained.
What I want is for people to be rational. You believing Tusli can get elected is not within the realm of rational expectations. All your ranting isn't going to change that.
Many Sanders supporters stayed home in 2016 because they didn't want to vote for the warmongering, corporate-controlled Clinton. Does that include you?
The result was that we got Trump. Does that bother you?
ecco
Veteran Member
The above was posted by someone who consistently failed to properly use the "Quote/Reply" functions.
Pot, Kettle, etc.
Glass houses, stones, etc.
Audie
Veteran Member
Or....
Get a room!
Ding ding ding!
Exactly.
I still have a grudge against Sanders and the BernieBro leftists who gave us Trump.
Tom
The best thing for Trump was running against Hillary.
I doubt that any other Democrat could've lost against him.
Except perhaps Carlos Danger or Rod Blagojevich.
So we have the DNC to thank for Trump's rise to power.
Except that Sanders isn't a Democrat.
If you deplorables had a problem with p*ssy grabbing, tax evasion, Kremlin connections, bankruptcy as a financial tool, racism, etc. you might have actually looked at Hillary.
But instead you paid more attention to the lies and smears.
Tom
averageJOE
zombie
If THIS is the reason why you truly believe Trump is in the White House then my post about your political opinion being shaped and fed to you is 100% correct. (I voted for Jill Stein in 2016)
You failed to notice that he ran in Democrat primaries?
And that the DNC rigged them against him?
Oh, dear.
If I understand your line of reasoning, it means that to find one
candidate less evil than another means one has no problem with
the one candidate's flaws.
Have you considered that this reasoning would then also be
applicable to you? The conclusion would make you even more
deplorable than I. You surely must be quite ashamed of that.
I wonder sometimes what you mean in this comparison of flaws and the choice of the lesser of two evils. For my part, I always find, when I'm put in that situation, that in order to choose intelligently I have to leave the question of "which is worse" alone, and move on to "which could potentially do more harm." And while I've never been a fan of Hillary either, when I looked at the Trump I saw, he raised my fear hackles a heck of a lot further than Clinton ever could.
It might be hard, you know, to do a 30,000-point turn to get a supertanker out of a tight lagoon, but I suspect it's gonna work better than blowing it up completely and trying to reassemble it in the other direction.
You look solely at "which could potentially do more harm",
I take a broader approach....
What are the likely effects of having each candidate in
office, both good & bad?
I weigh each effect based upon likelihood & importance.
I take into account that candidates often won't
effect an agenda they embody or campaign for.
Examples:
- Bernie wouldn't succeed in making us socialist in any
significant way because Congress wouldn't go along.
- Bernie would be able to declare no new wars, which
would be entirely within his power.
- Trump wouldn't be able to overturn Roe v Wade because
it's settled law, no matter who his nominated justices are
because Congress wouldn't confirm overturning types.
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But what directions might they set? Is it possible that Bernie might have laid a course towards a more inclusive, tolerant, caring society than Trump -- regardless of what Congress did? Obamacare, while certainly imperfect, extended healthcare to millions more Americans, which I honestly don't think we ought to call a "bad thing." And so far, for reasons unknown, the present administration hasn't been able to dump it, no matter how much they claim to have wanted to. Maybe there was something in that little bit of additional "caring for others" that will stick? For myself, I would hope so.
(Yes, I know, I am something of an idealist...always have been, too old to change now. But I like my ideals.)
I am an idealist, but I also recognize that my ideals will never hold sway.
I am also practical, so I'll vote in a manner which brings things closest
to my ideals.
Toward this end, I'd have voted for Bernie because the far greater likelihood
of a peaceful foreign policy outweighed the deleterious effects of his presidency.
The difference between results of his vs Trump's being in office were great
enuf to justify not voting Libertarian. Johnson was my preferred candidate.
Btw, kudos for actually conversing with me.
Some offer only insults & histrionics.
Careful...as someone who once had some acting experiences, I have a certain histrionic tendency myself. My Richard II is to die for (in my own extremely humble opinion
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I'll bet you put Calculon to shame.Careful...as someone who once had some acting experiences, I have a certain histrionic tendency myself. My Richard II is to die for (in my own extremely humble opinion
Better yet...David Tennant! (Talk about histrionics!)
Calculon is the greater actor.
Nobody does it harder.
(Sing that last sentence as Carly Simon would.)
I sing more Jacques Brel. Like I gargled with gravel.
Truly Enlightened
Well-Known Member
Now I understand just how strong and presidential Tulsi Gabbard really is. I could never be as patient as she is, in addressing this level of ignorance, half truths, and smear misinformation. Firstly, SHE IS NOT A VETERAN. She is an active service member, serving today as a Major in the Army National Guard. However she is a veteran, in the sense, that she has served two tours of combat duties(Iraq, Kuwait), fighting in an illegal war to allow you the freedom to smear and disrespect her service to our country. Although she is NOT a veteran(ex-military svc.), she does support programs that help veterans. Especially, those programs that will assist, disabled, blind, amputees, and other severely disabled veterans, since their conditions was directly caused by their service. She also supports the VETS Safe Travel Act, for all blind, amputees, and veterans that are paralyzed. I personally don't want paralyzed people waiting in line, or being searched, would you? So yes, her respect and compassion for those veterans whose lives have now changed forever, IS A BIG DEAL. And, should be a big deal to anyone with an ounce of compassion and empathy.
Secondly, the TSA precheck service is NOT available to all(only active service personnel and DoD staff). This legislation(among others) would now allow only those veterans that are blind, amputees, and severely handicapped, to be automatically included in the precheck security program. Of course, they must still pass all security checks(not mentioned). Non-veteran disabled persons have another avenue to fast-track their screening process. Remember, If you're a traveler with a disability or have any reduced mobility issues, then you are LEGALLY entitled to special assistance, whenever you are travelling by air(also not mentioned). This means that the airports and airlines must provide this care, help and assistance free of charge. They also have a "duty of care" to ensure that you have the least stressful journey as possible. So tell the disabled(if they don't already know) non-veterans, that they can just call the Airport and inform them of their disabilities. and they will receive the appropriate assistance they need. So, NO, this is not about one group of citizens having more status over another group of citizens, that you are trying to misrepresent. This is about showing our respect and appreciation, for the sacrifices our veterans have made, in their service to our nation.
I suppose it is easy to find whatever you want, if that is all you are looking for. Maybe these sites might make a dent in your confirmation bias. Maybe.
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Bill Introduced to Provide TSA Precheck to Disabled Veterans - OPEDGE.COM
https://themilitarywallet.com/tsa-precheck-military-members-veterans/
http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pag...Military-Retirees-Veterans-Free-Precheck.aspx