MAGA Disrupt Maricopa County Board of Supervisors Meeting. Shades of Things to Come.

[Revoltingest]

Who's ox is being gored?

Remember this story?
TN House Speaker calls Democratic disruption at state capitol an ‘insurrection’

Do you believe the events are similar
in the level of insurrection?

 

[Stevicus]

PHOENIX — As the board of supervisors for Arizona’s largest county abruptly ended a meeting late last month, a swarm of people rushed toward the dais, shouting that the members were illegitimate.

The Maricopa County leaders made a beeline for a side door and were swiftly escorted out of the chamber by security guards, who called for backup from the sheriff’s office. After the meeting’s live-feed went dead, a member of the crowd yelled that a “revolution” was underway.


“I’m here today to put you on public notice and to inform you that you are not our elected officials,” said Michelle Klann, co-founder of a pro-Trump group, from a podium she had commandeered. “This is an act of insurrection. Due to all the voter fraud, you have never been formally voted in.”

The scene at the Feb. 28 meeting terrified many Maricopa employees and others who were reminded of what happened after Joe Biden won the county — and, with it, Arizona — in the 2020 presidential race. Back then, Trump supporters used baseless fraud claims to try to pressure or scare elected leaders into changing the results for the metro Phoenix county, which is home to more than half of Arizona’s residents.

Now, with another presidential election quickly approaching and Arizona again likely to be central to Donald Trump’s electoral strategy, the incident late last month has revived fears that officials responsible for running Maricopa County elections will be targeted with a campaign of threats and abuse — or worse.


“This was an organized, coordinated attack,” said one top county official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive security matters. “It was a dress rehearsal for the election.”

Since the 2020 vote, the Maricopa supervisors — most of whom are Republicans — have faced relentless public ridicule, conspiracy theories and death threats for signing off on the results and refusing to go along with Trump’s efforts to overturn the outcome.

MSN

It appears that they made some changes to prevent incidents like this from happening again: Maricopa County strengthening security at board meetings

Here are the changes:

• People participating in public comment will be directed to one side of the auditorium when their time comes to speak, then escorted by security personnel to the lectern to address the board. After their speaking time is up, they will be escorted back to their seat. Previously, public commenters could approach the lectern from any part of the auditorium with no security escort.
• The first few rows of seating in the Board of Supervisors auditorium will be reserved for county staff and board guests. Most county staff will be asked to watch or participate in meetings remotely.
• Security will place stanchions in front of the public seating area. Access to the lectern will only be available from the corridor on the right side of the auditorium.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I guess there is the First Amendment...
I mean...at the sixth day I was like: oh, for Christ's sake! At least, cheat quickly!

What makes you think that there was any cheating? Just because the land whale that you like lost does not mean that any cheating was involved. Even groups hired by the Republicans who claimed that they would find cheating failed to do so. Or are you forgetting the escapades of the Fruit Ninjas . . . . What? The name is wrong? Oh yeah, that is a silly video game, I meant the Cyber Ninjas. They found nothing as well.

 

[Estro Felino]

What makes you think that there was any cheating? Just because the land whale that you like lost does not mean that any cheating was involved. Even groups hired by the Republicans who claimed that they would find cheating failed to do so. Or are you forgetting the escapades of the Fruit Ninjas . . . . What? The name is wrong? Oh yeah, that is a silly video game, I meant the Cyber Ninjas. They found nothing as well.

I am not claiming anything.
I was just using a paradoxical sentence, because it's paradoxical and abnormal that it took so long to count the ballots.
It's an electronic system. Not a manual one.

 

[fantome profane]

I am not claiming anything.
I was just using a paradoxical sentence, because it's paradoxical and abnormal that it took so long to count the ballots.
It's an electronic system. Not a manual one.

It is paradoxical that the abnormal thing happens most of the time.

 

[Estro Felino]

It is paradoxical that the abnormal thing happens most of the time.

I am sure that in the history of the US both Republicans and Democrats cheated. In equal measure.
But claiming that one is holy, and the other is bad...I mean..it isn't that realistic.

 

[fantome profane]

I am sure that in the history of the US both Republicans and Democrats cheated. In equal measure.
But claiming that one is holy, and the other is bad...I mean..it isn't that realistic.

I meant that it is usual for elections in the U.S. to take time. It often takes days to determine the winner. That is not evidence of cheating.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am not claiming anything.
I was just using a paradoxical sentence, because it's paradoxical and abnormal that it took so long to count the ballots.
It's an electronic system. Not a manual one.

There was nothing paradoxical about the election. It was rather close. And the pandemic made mail in voting far more popular. And safer. It also extended the time it takes to count all of the ballots. Now if you remember Biden cared for his voters and advocated for mail in balloting. Trump only cared about himself and advocated for in person balloting, even though that exposed many people to crowds. That was the main reason that tRump took an early lead. In person votes can be counted very quickly. If someone mailed in their ballot on election day it might not be in for several days after the fact. And individual states decided when they cut off taking in mail in ballots long before the election. In some states they had to be delivered by election day. In others they only needed to be postmarked on election day. But even those usually had a limit.

At any rate, it took so long mainly because of the unprecedented number of mail in ballots caused by the pandemic. We still had the results of the national election on Saturday, November the 7th, Arizona was particularly close so it took even longer, but by that time Biden had already won. By Trump's own standards Biden won by a landslide.

 

[Estro Felino]

There was nothing paradoxical about the election. It was rather close. And the pandemic made mail in voting far more popular. And safer. It also extended the time it takes to count all of the ballots. Now if you remember Biden cared for his voters and advocated for mail in balloting. Trump only cared about himself and advocated for in person balloting, even though that exposed many people to crowds. That was the main reason that tRump took an early lead. In person votes can be counted very quickly. If someone mailed in their ballot on election day it might not be in for several days after the fact. And individual states decided when they cut off taking in mail in ballots long before the election. In some states they had to be delivered by election day. In others they only needed to be postmarked on election day. But even those usually had a limit.

At any rate, it took so long mainly because of the unprecedented number of mail in ballots caused by the pandemic. We still had the results of the national election on Saturday, November the 7th, Arizona was particularly close so it took even longer, but by that time Biden had already won. By Trump's own standards Biden won by a landslide.

I am speaking of the midterm elections. 2022.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am speaking of the midterm elections. 2022.

That did not seem to take all that long at all to count. Do you have any support for that?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Trump's team attempted fraud in MI.
(No evidence that Dems did.)
We can expect him to attempt fake
electors & other such tricks again.

Yep. The best predictor of future behaviour, is past behaviour.

 

[Colt]

The only mystery is why Magas so easily
fall for Trump's unsupported lies claiming
a stolen election.

No different from the Russian collusion claim and people's eagerness to believe it! BTW, the left has been violently rioting in America for years in order to shove its agenda down everyone's throat!

 

[crossfire]

The only mystery is why Magas so easily
fall for Trump's unsupported lies claiming
a stolen election.

Echo chambers promote mass delusion, whereas individuals with diverse perspectives help to safeguard against delusion, as it encourages individuals to think for themselves.

 

[Revoltingest]

No different from the Russian collusion claim and people's eagerness to believe it!

Aye the claim of Russian collusion was unevidenced.
But Trump's claim of a stolen election is also unevidenced.
Moreover, the only election fraud in that election
was committed by his operatives, who've been
prosecuted for their crimes.

BTW, the left has been violently rioting in America for years in order to shove its agenda down everyone's throat!

This is true. The left loves violence.
But it doesn't justify Trump's attempts to get
Magas to riot & even commit insurrection.

You're really taking the wrong tack by
criticizing the left for terrible behavior.
I've been attacking them since you
were a wee pup!
That's no way to defend Trump's treason.

 

[F1fan]

No different from the Russian collusion claim and people's eagerness to believe it!

Oh you mean this?

Trump and the Russians

The New York Times revealed the Trump team’s connections with the Russians and attempts to sway the F.B.I. director, James Comey. The articles, which won the 2018 Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting, triggered the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel.

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | The Trump Campaign Accepted Russian Help to Win in 2016. Case Closed. (Published 2020)

“Cooperation” or “collusion” or whatever. It was a plot against American democracy.

www.nytimes.com

So is right wing MAGAmedia still lying about there being no cooperation between Trump and Russia in 2016?

BTW, the left has been violently rioting in America for years in order to shove its agenda down everyone's throat!

Oh, do you mean citizens protesting police brutality against black citizens? I guess you oppose black citizens being treated humanely and according to civil rights.

 

[Heyo]

No different from the Russian collusion claim and people's eagerness to believe it! BTW, the left has been violently rioting in America for years in order to shove its agenda down everyone's throat!

Squirrel!

Wait ... I already used that one to indicate another attempt at whataboutism.

Look! Over there!

 

[Stevicus]

That did not seem to take all that long at all to count. Do you have any support for that?

Kari Lake still believes that she is the rightful governor of the state. She unsuccessfully challenged the results in court. And now, she's running for the Senate. She's Arizona's version of Marjorie Taylor Greene. The pattern in 2022 was similar, a lot of loose charges and failed lawsuits that went nowhere.

I think that's what we might expect in this upcoming election. I'm sure some lawyers are already working on their lawsuits - even before the election. The courts should be ready for a deluge of lawsuits.

 

[metis]

Remember this story?
TN House Speaker calls Democratic disruption at state capitol an ‘insurrection’

I watched it while it happened, and there's no way to call that an "insurrection" as there was no attempt to overthrow the capital there. It was a protest, and what happened at the Capitol on January 6th was a helluva lot more than just a protest.

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh you mean this?

Trump and the Russians

The New York Times revealed the Trump team’s connections with the Russians and attempts to sway the F.B.I. director, James Comey. The articles, which won the 2018 Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting, triggered the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel.

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | The Trump Campaign Accepted Russian Help to Win in 2016. Case Closed. (Published 2020)

“Cooperation” or “collusion” or whatever. It was a plot against American democracy.

www.nytimes.com

So is right wing MAGAmedia still lying about there being no cooperation between Trump and Russia in 2016?

Oh, do you mean citizens protesting police brutality against black citizens? I guess you oppose black citizens being treated humanely and according to civil rights.

I recall Democrats making the claim of collusion
early on, but they offered no evidence whatsoever.
And now, checking Politifact & FactCheck.org,
I find no determination of collusion.

Trump is an extremely corrupt & dangerous man,
but this doesn't justify Democrats' making
reckless charges. Indeed, this irresponsible
behavior has cost them credibility when dealing
with Trump's real crimes of insurrection &
staging a failed coup.

 

[fantome profane]

I recall Democrats making the claim of collusion
early on, but they offered no evidence whatsoever.
And now, checking Politifact & FactCheck.org,
I find no determination of collusion.

Trump is an extremely corrupt & dangerous man,
but this doesn't justify Democrats' making
reckless charges. Indeed, this irresponsible
behavior has cost them credibility when dealing
with Trump's real crimes of insurrection &
staging a failed coup.

Wait a minute. Just because an investigation doesn’t conclude guilt does not mean the investigation was reckless or irresponsible. There was lots of evidence, even if that evidence proved inconclusive. Not doing a proper and through investigation would have been irresponsible.

And the investigation did result in multiple convictions. (btw, Paul Manifort is back in the news.)