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MAGA Judge Blocks Overtime Pay for 4 Million Salaried Employees

Guitar's Cry

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
anotherneil said:
The question you're replying to doesn't state or imply that only blue collar are working class. It's a well-formed question & is asking this: of those folks from the working class, how many that are blue collar are on a salary?
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The well-formed question was a response to my post specifying only working class. There are plenty of white collar folks in the working class that make just as little or less as blue collar folks that might be salaried.

I don't know how many "blue collar" jobs are salaried. I do know many white collar folks that are and make just as little or less than blue collar folks.
 
anotherneil

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
Guitar's Cry said:
The well-formed question was a response to my post specifying only working class. There are plenty of white collar folks in the working class that make just as little or less as blue collar folks that might be salaried.

I don't know how many "blue collar" jobs are salaried. I do know many white collar folks that are and make just as little or less than blue collar folks.
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I just tried to ask Google - "What percent of blue collar jobs are salaried?" It gave me an "AI" response saying there's no information.

Would you agree or concede that a very small percentage of blue collar jobs are salaried?

Would you also agree that there's probably a very small number of blue collar workers who make more than some white collar workers?

I suspect that the blue collar workers who make more than some white collar workers are in skilled jobs, have many years of experience, and are likely in supervisory roles (foremen). The white collar workers making less than these blue collar workers are probably much younger than the corresponding blue collar workers who make more than them & have much fewer years in their roles.
 
Guitar's Cry

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
anotherneil said:
I just tried to ask Google - "What percent of blue collar jobs are salaried?" It gave me an "AI" response saying there's no information.

Would you agree or concede that a very small percentage of blue collar jobs are salaried?

Would you also agree that there's probably a very small number of blue collar workers who make more than some white collar workers?

I suspect that the blue collar workers who make more than some white collar workers are in skilled jobs, have many years of experience, and are likely in supervisory roles (foremen). The white collar workers making less than these blue collar workers are probably much younger than the corresponding blue collar workers who make more than them & have much fewer years in their roles.
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You're focusing so much on a distinction I wasn't making and is irrelevant to the argument that I think you're missing the point.

The working class is not just blue collar workers. Providing extra income to any worker that exceeds their normal work expectations is a benefit to working class folks. The Republican party ran and won (at least partially) on rhetoric about Democrats not helping the working class, but often don't seem to do so themselves.
 
anotherneil

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
Guitar's Cry said:
You're focusing so much on a distinction I wasn't making and is irrelevant to the argument that I think you're missing the point.

The working class is not just blue collar workers. Providing extra income to any worker that exceeds their normal work expectations is a benefit to working class folks. The Republican party ran and won (at least partially) on rhetoric about Democrats not helping the working class, but often don't seem to do so themselves.
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Who is claiming that working class are just blue collar workers?
 
Wirey

Wirey

Fartist
Wandering Monk said:
A federal judge in Texas has blocked a new rule from the Biden administration that would have expanded access to overtime pay to millions more salaried workers across the U.S.

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My job entails me having a limited company and renting myself out to other firms. I am always offered either a flat salary, or an hourly rate. I always take the hourly rate. The salary is usually higher on paper, but if you're dumb enough to sign up for legal slavery because you're greedy and can't think ahead, you're really breaking my heart.

Every one of the people asking for OT pay knew that was not how their contract (a legal document BTW) worked. And now they're finding out that being stupid and greedy has consequences. Oh, well.
 
Wandering Monk

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Wirey said:
My job entails me having a limited company and renting myself out to other firms. I am always offered either a flat salary, or an hourly rate. I always take the hourly rate. The salary is usually higher on paper, but if you're dumb enough to sign up for legal slavery because you're greedy and can't think ahead, you're really breaking my heart.

Every one of the people asking for OT pay knew that was not how their contract (a legal document BTW) worked. And now they're finding out that being stupid and greedy has consequences. Oh, well.
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So screw 'em?
 
Wirey

Wirey

Fartist
Wandering Monk said:
So screw 'em?
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Yes. I work with people who signed up for salary because the number looked big, and then regretted it. They're adults. If they don't want to work unpaid OT, don't sign up for it.

What is it with people agreeing to a specific deal, and then complaining when they receive that specific deal? Did my parents screw up when they told me "Be a man of your word," or is the planet going nuts?
 
Alien826

Alien826

No religious beliefs
Wirey said:
My job entails me having a limited company and renting myself out to other firms. I am always offered either a flat salary, or an hourly rate. I always take the hourly rate. The salary is usually higher on paper, but if you're dumb enough to sign up for legal slavery because you're greedy and can't think ahead, you're really breaking my heart.

Every one of the people asking for OT pay knew that was not how their contract (a legal document BTW) worked. And now they're finding out that being stupid and greedy has consequences. Oh, well.
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Way back and in England, I worked in IT as a "contractor" and had to create a company because the Inland Revenue (tax) people wouldn't allow a self employed status, due to abuses in other areas of work. I never had any option but hourly pay, and that was fine. The company gave me options to deduct various expenses, and give myself a company car, but I was also subject to company taxation like the equivalent of FICA here. There was a constant game of ping pong going on between the Revenue and my accountant, to minimize this. Do you have the same problem?

I've never worked in that way since I moved to the USA 36 years ago. One (non contract) job I had in England delimited salaried employees by amount earned and I was the only one on that basis in my department because as the latest to be employed I made a small amount more than the others and it pushed me over the edge. We were all doing the same job. Note that the sum was reasonable to separate "management" from "workers" generally, but we were paid a lot more for market reasons. It took me a while to work out that when we were asked to work a lot of overtime I was the only one not being paid for it. Today I would protest, and if I didn't get a change I would either refuse overtime or move on. Then, I put up with it.

When I first started work in the US I was amazed at how people would work long hours and only be paid for the first 40. I predicted that the employers would eventually run out of the good will that enabled them to exploit workers to that extent. I think it has happened somewhat.
 
blü 2

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Shaul said:
Gee, I guess the courts take a dim view when you don't follow the law and stuff.
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Next year, ain't gonna be no law no more. That was the central election promise Ol' Yeller (short for Ol' Yeller Hair Dye, as you know) made.
 
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