MAGA Questions

[rocala]

Like many around the world I hear/read of "MAGA" a lot. I assumed that it was something created by Donald Trump's campaign managers. I see now that it goes back to 1980.

My questions are firstly, concerning the "again" part. Does MAGA refer to a specific or approximate period when the U.S. was perceived to be greater?

Secondly, is it referring to economic issues only or does it have a broader meaning.

Any info would be appreciated.

 

[metis]

My questions are firstly, concerning the "again" part. Does MAGA refer to a specific or approximate period when the U.S. was perceived to be greater?

Now it's a reference to Trump's 4 years as president. Before that, it was a delusional reference to the "good old but days".

Secondly, is it referring to economic issues only or does it have a broader meaning.

Broader, as it also pertains to even religion, family values, economics, etc. It supposedly is to reflect "family values", but the reality is just a campaign slogan.

 

[Kfox]

Like many around the world I hear/read of "MAGA" a lot. I assumed that it was something created by Donald Trump's campaign managers. I see now that it goes back to 1980.

My questions are firstly, concerning the "again" part. Does MAGA refer to a specific or approximate period when the U.S. was perceived to be greater?

Secondly, is it referring to economic issues only or does it have a broader meaning.

Any info would be appreciated.

Make America Great Again (MAGA) was just a campaign slogan for Donald Trump; just like Build back better was foe Biden, or "forward together" for Hillary. It's time period is completely subjective; varies from person to person. The slogan assumes people are not happy with how things are now, and remember a time when things were better. Most people I know think things were better in during the 90's (myself included) because many of the craziness of today didn't seem to exist back then, but some think other times. I remember my grandma thought things were better in the 1950's because even though black people in many places did not have their citizenship rights, as a community we were more together and focused on the same goals, less crime in impoverished neighborhoods, and the family unit was much more intact than today. But then I'm sure there were plenty of white people of her day who felt the 50's were better for other reasons.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Like many around the world I hear/read of "MAGA" a lot. I assumed that it was something created by Donald Trump's campaign managers. I see now that it goes back to 1980.

My questions are firstly, concerning the "again" part. Does MAGA refer to a specific or approximate period when the U.S. was perceived to be greater?

Secondly, is it referring to economic issues only or does it have a broader meaning.

Any info would be appreciated.

It was just a statement by Trump to make America great again because it's obvious in the heyday of our parents and grandparents generation, the country was run much better and more efficiently than it is being run today.

Then Trump just adopted the slogan.

Particularly the 40 throughout to the '60s and the decline began again in the 70s to the present day in spite of progresses in terms of evening the playing field for all people regardless of ethnicity and race which seems to be the focal point for the left wings but dismisses the aspects by which the country stayed prosperous and productive.

60 Years of American Economic History, Told in 1 Graph

We built the world's greatest middle class economy, then unbuilt it.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It was just a statement by Trump to make America great again because it's obvious in the heyday of our parents and grandparents generation, the country was run much better and more efficiently than it is being run today.

Then Trump just adopted the slogan.

Particularly the 40 throughout to the '60s and the decline began again in the 70s to the present day in spite of progresses in terms of evening the playing field for all people regardless of ethnicity and race which seems to be the focal point for the left wings but dismisses the aspects by which the country stayed prosperous and productive.

60 Years of American Economic History, Told in 1 Graph

We built the world's greatest middle class economy, then unbuilt it.

www.theatlantic.com

Interesting graph -- but I can't help but note that you omitted what your article itself said about it:

"Here's the arc it captures: In the immediate postwar period, America's rapid growth favored the middle and lower classes. The poorest fifth of all households, in fact, fared best. Then, in the 1970s, amid two oil crises and awful inflation, things ground to a halt. The country backed off the postwar, center-left consensus -- captured by Richard Nixon's comment that "we're all Keynesians now" -- and tried Reaganism instead. We cut taxes. Technology and competition from abroad started whittling away at blue collar jobs and pay. The financial markets took off. And so when growth returned, it favored the investment class -- the top 20 percent, and especially the top 5 percent (and, though it's not on this chart, the top 1 percent more than anybody)."​

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So the article you quoted blames the right! Those demographics were not fully shared by your northern neighbour, Canada, which continued to hew to the centre-left.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Interesting graph -- but I can't help but note that you omitted what your article itself said about it:

"Here's the arc it captures: In the immediate postwar period, America's rapid growth favored the middle and lower classes. The poorest fifth of all households, in fact, fared best. Then, in the 1970s, amid two oil crises and awful inflation, things ground to a halt. The country backed off the postwar, center-left consensus -- captured by Richard Nixon's comment that "we're all Keynesians now" -- and tried Reaganism instead. We cut taxes. Technology and competition from abroad started whittling away at blue collar jobs and pay. The financial markets took off. And so when growth returned, it favored the investment class -- the top 20 percent, and especially the top 5 percent (and, though it's not on this chart, the top 1 percent more than anybody)."​

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So the article you quoted blames the right! Those demographics were not fully shared by your northern neighbour, Canada, which continued to hew to the centre-left.

From what I recall to the left, the right became the left, and the left became the right , so you tell me who's who.

 

[Pogo]

It was just a statement by Trump to make America great again because it's obvious in the heyday of our parents and grandparents generation, the country was run much better and more efficiently than it is being run today.

Then Trump just adopted the slogan.

Particularly the 40 throughout to the '60s and the decline began again in the 70s to the present day in spite of progresses in terms of evening the playing field for all people regardless of ethnicity and race which seems to be the focal point for the left wings but dismisses the aspects by which the country stayed prosperous and productive.

60 Years of American Economic History, Told in 1 Graph

We built the world's greatest middle class economy, then unbuilt it.

www.theatlantic.com

Yup and the big driver of this change in status was the Trickle down economics of Reagan, Bush and Trump and their tax cuts that benefited only the rich. from your article

Here's the arc it captures: In the immediate postwar period, America's rapid growth favored the middle and lower classes. The poorest fifth of all households, in fact, fared best. Then, in the 1970s, amid two oil crises and awful inflation, things ground to a halt. The country backed off the postwar, center-left consensus -- captured by Richard Nixon's comment that "we're all Keynesians now" -- and tried Reaganism instead. We cut taxes. Technology and competition from abroad started whittling away at blue collar jobs and pay. The financial markets took off. And so when growth returned, it favored the investment class -- the top 20 percent, and especially the top 5 percent (and, though it's not on this chart, the top 1 percent more than anybody).

And that rich investment class that owned the companies said, labor is cheaper overseas so I will use that and I make even more money and con the Republicans into thinking that if I get richer it will "trickle down" the middle and lower classes. And here we are with Republicans still cutting taxes on the rich and cutting budgets on infrastructure like roads and bridges that were economic drivers in the 50's and 60's The big difference is the generation of fear of Liberals and Leftists and Mexicans and Arabs instead of Commies, none of whom were ever any danger to us. But now the 1% etc pay half the tax they did when "America was Great"

You have been suckered with tax cuts that did not benefit you.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yup and the big driver of this change in status was the Trickle down economics of Reagan, Bush and Trump and their tax cuts that benefited only the rich. from your article


And that rich investment class that owned the companies said, labor is cheaper overseas so I will use that and I make even more money and con the Republicans into thinking that if I get richer it will "trickle down" the middle and lower classes. And here we are with Republicans still cutting taxes on the rich and cutting budgets on infrastructure like roads and bridges that were economic drivers in the 50's and 60's The big difference is the generation of fear of Liberals and Leftists and Mexicans and Arabs instead of Commies, none of whom were ever any danger to us. But now the 1% etc pay half the tax they did when "America was Great"

You have been suckered with tax cuts that did not benefit you.

If you had followed past postings of mine, you'll find that I no longer favor trickle down.

 

[Spice]

Of the MAGAs I know, it's the age mainly of the late fifties, early sixties between the Korean War and the unrest of the Civil Rights movement compounded by Vietnam. It's a very few years, but it was the time Roosevelt's promise of a car in every drive and 2 chickens in every pot had come true for the upward mobile middle-class. Houses were still being built in record numbers as had begun post WWII. Radio and TV was filled with Evangelical Christian programming and churches were flourishing with families overflowing with BabyBoomers and new brick buildings or fellowship halls were offering community comfort and hope. The parents and grandparents remembered the Great Depression and "taught" the reality of hardship to the young, so the BabyBoomer years -- 1946 thru 1964, was the best life had shown them and when it flat-lined, "The Good Old Days" were born.

 

[Pogo]

From what I recall to the left, the right became the left, and the left became the right , so you tell me who's who.

Prior to the 80"s, the Republicans were all about infrastructure and spending money on the US, they abandoned that and what is called Keynsian economics and went with a more Laissez-faire strategy where the market was everything and so long as profits increased all was good. So yes, at this point the left is arguing for the economic policies that used to be Republican in that period of our great prosperity for the common man. The 90s were the me generation where if you had some money and invested it in the stock market, you made out well while everybody else began their slide.

For the middle class, it was better back then economically though only if you were white for the most part and the Democrats worked on changing that. Now they have to save us from the economic strangle hold that low taxes for the rich have created.

 

[Pogo]

If you had followed past postings of mine, you'll find that I no longer favor trickle down.

Well then stop supporting those who are raping you and realize that your hated left are the people who actually care about your welfare as well as everybody else's, even those who you didn't talk about because you were brought up to think they were icky.

 

[Esteban X]

Like many around the world I hear/read of "MAGA" a lot. I assumed that it was something created by Donald Trump's campaign managers. I see now that it goes back to 1980.

My questions are firstly, concerning the "again" part. Does MAGA refer to a specific or approximate period when the U.S. was perceived to be greater?

Secondly, is it referring to economic issues only or does it have a broader meaning.

Any info would be appreciated.

I always assumed that Trump stole it from the "I'm backing Britain" campaign from 1968, "Make Britain Great Again", where it actually made sense.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well then stop supporting those who are raping you and realize that your hated left are the people who actually care about your welfare as well as everybody else's, even those who you didn't talk about because you were brought up to think they were icky.

The alternative is far worse. I look at the bottom lines and if it isn't improving anything I'm not supporting it.

The ones who rape people run the very People's Republic I live in and I'll give you three guesses what political party has taken over here.

 

[Pogo]

The alternative is far worse. I look at the bottom lines and if it isn't improving anything I'm not supporting it.

The ones who rape people run the very People's Republic I live in and I'll give you three guesses what political party has taken over here.

The red republican ones with very little tax base or the blue ones that pay the taxes that actually fund the government and are the centers of education and industry.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The red republican ones with very little tax base or the blue ones that pay the taxes that actually fund the government and are the centers of education and industry.

No. The entire damm state is included in paying oppressive taxes to our glorious Supreme Chairwoman.

 

[metis]

No. The entire damm state is included in paying oppressive taxes to our glorious Supreme Chairwoman.

The last time I heard New York uses the power of the vote to elect its politicians, so maybe Russia is a better place for you.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The last time I heard New York uses the power of the vote to elect its politicians, so maybe Russia is a better place for you.

At this point Russia may very well be better than the People's Republic of New York. There is no voting here unless you're a Democrat.

 

[Pogo]

At this point Russia may very well be better than the People's Republic of New York. There is no voting here unless you're a Democrat.

Well go back 5-6 years we had a Republican Senate go back some more both the Senate and the governor were Relpublican. it is only very recently that Republicans have not had candidates of sufficient quality, that is not the fault of the democrats.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well go back 5-6 years we had a Republican Senate go back some more both the Senate and the governor were Relpublican. it is only very recently that Republicans have not had candidates of sufficient quality, that is not the fault of the dedemocrats.

Last Governor from New York state was from 1995 George Pataki. That's almost 30 years of consistant Democrat rule over NY.

The entrenchment here in the people's Republic of New York is entirely due to the ri gerrymandering the Democrats have built here to keep them permanently in power.

 

[Kfox]

Yup and the big driver of this change in status was the Trickle down economics of Reagan, Bush and Trump and their tax cuts that benefited only the rich. from your article


And that rich investment class that owned the companies said, labor is cheaper overseas so I will use that and I make even more money and con the Republicans into thinking that if I get richer it will "trickle down" the middle and lower classes. And here we are with Republicans still cutting taxes on the rich and cutting budgets on infrastructure like roads and bridges that were economic drivers in the 50's and 60's The big difference is the generation of fear of Liberals and Leftists and Mexicans and Arabs instead of Commies, none of whom were ever any danger to us. But now the 1% etc pay half the tax they did when "America was Great"

You have been suckered with tax cuts that did not benefit you.

Of course; nobody really paid the 90+ tax rate, There were so many loop-holes in place back then; nobody paid it. The percentage of taxes paid by the top 1% back then was pretty much what it is now. When Regan cut much of the taxes, he also closed many of the loop-holes that were in place.