MAGA rioter wants to subpoena Trump, Giuliani and Bannon...

[sun rise]

I've been trying to be a little less riveted to political developments, but this story struck me hence this thread. It's to me very smart legal strategy. If they won't testify under oath, he can argue for a not-guilty result as well as using this as grounds for appeal. Anyone care to bet on what happens as a result?

MAGA rioter wants to subpoena Trump, Giuliani and Bannon -- and asks for US Marshals' help if needed

An accused MAGA rioter has created a list of all-star witnesses he wants to testify at his trial, including former President Donald Trump, attorney Rudy Giuliani, and podcaster Steve Bannon.

Via Politico's Kyle Cheney, an attorney representing January 6th defendant Dustin Thompson revealed on Friday that his client "intends to subpoena numerous witnesses involved in the planning and execution of the attempt to disrupt the certification of the 2020 presidential election."

Included among those were the aforementioned Trump, Giuliani, and Bannon, as well as attorneys including John Eastman, Sidney Powell, and Lin Wood.
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"Considering the significant roles these witnesses play in the legal and political communities, and the evasiveness that some have historically shown in the face of court orders, Defendant submits that appointment of the U.S. Marshals Service is necessary in order to effectuate his right to compulsory process and ensure that the same is accomplished expeditiously," the filing states.

 

[F1fan]

I've been trying to be a little less riveted to political developments, but this story struck me hence this thread. It's to me very smart legal strategy. If they won't testify under oath, he can argue for a not-guilty result as well as using this as grounds for appeal. Anyone care to bet on what happens as a result?

MAGA rioter wants to subpoena Trump, Giuliani and Bannon -- and asks for US Marshals' help if needed

An accused MAGA rioter has created a list of all-star witnesses he wants to testify at his trial, including former President Donald Trump, attorney Rudy Giuliani, and podcaster Steve Bannon.

Via Politico's Kyle Cheney, an attorney representing January 6th defendant Dustin Thompson revealed on Friday that his client "intends to subpoena numerous witnesses involved in the planning and execution of the attempt to disrupt the certification of the 2020 presidential election."

Included among those were the aforementioned Trump, Giuliani, and Bannon, as well as attorneys including John Eastman, Sidney Powell, and Lin Wood.
...
"Considering the significant roles these witnesses play in the legal and political communities, and the evasiveness that some have historically shown in the face of court orders, Defendant submits that appointment of the U.S. Marshals Service is necessary in order to effectuate his right to compulsory process and ensure that the same is accomplished expeditiously," the filing states.

If he is subpoenaing them for his defense it may not help him if they refuse to show up. If they do show up they will likely plead the Fifth. This would be his defense, which is only meaningful if it can offset the prosecution.

I suspect the subpoena might be challenged since trump, Rudy, and Bannon aren't material to his case and defense.

It sounds like he blames trump, Bannon and Rudy for the riot, which is good. His best approach might be to cooperate with prosecutors against trump and Rudy. But I suspect this person is like most who just blindly followed a set of idiots via their stupid rhetoric.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I say more power to him in dragging Trump into court, but I don't think the odds are in his favor. It would be amusing to see Trump on the witness stand, though. I seriously doubt he would last five minutes before he commits perjury. I can see people taking bets to guess how long it would take him to start lying through his teeth while he's in the spotlight on the witness stand.

 

[We Never Know]

I've been trying to be a little less riveted to political developments, but this story struck me hence this thread. It's to me very smart legal strategy. If they won't testify under oath, he can argue for a not-guilty result as well as using this as grounds for appeal. Anyone care to bet on what happens as a result?

MAGA rioter wants to subpoena Trump, Giuliani and Bannon -- and asks for US Marshals' help if needed

An accused MAGA rioter has created a list of all-star witnesses he wants to testify at his trial, including former President Donald Trump, attorney Rudy Giuliani, and podcaster Steve Bannon.

Via Politico's Kyle Cheney, an attorney representing January 6th defendant Dustin Thompson revealed on Friday that his client "intends to subpoena numerous witnesses involved in the planning and execution of the attempt to disrupt the certification of the 2020 presidential election."

Included among those were the aforementioned Trump, Giuliani, and Bannon, as well as attorneys including John Eastman, Sidney Powell, and Lin Wood.
...
"Considering the significant roles these witnesses play in the legal and political communities, and the evasiveness that some have historically shown in the face of court orders, Defendant submits that appointment of the U.S. Marshals Service is necessary in order to effectuate his right to compulsory process and ensure that the same is accomplished expeditiously," the filing states.

I don't disagree with going after the capital rioters. But with the BLM, the George Floyd protests and other protests/riots that there were many caught on camera/pictures looting and burning things down. The justice system should go after them as hard as they are going after the capital rioters.

If not then justice is one sided and dead.

 

[sun rise]

I don't disagree with going after the capital rioters. But with the BLM, the George Floyd protests and other protests/riots that there were many caught on camera/pictures looting and burning things down. The justice system should go after them as hard as they are going after the capital rioters.

If not then justice is one sided and dead.

Crimes should be punished but insurrection is a much more serious crime.

 

[We Never Know]

Crimes should be punished but insurrection is a much more serious crime.

It was a crime and yes they all should be punished.

 

[AlexanderG]

I don't disagree with going after the capital rioters. But with the BLM, the George Floyd protests and other protests/riots that there were many caught on camera/pictures looting and burning things down. The justice system should go after them as hard as they are going after the capital rioters.

If not then justice is one sided and dead.

I agree. They all should. Many of the looters, arsonists, and violent protesters were white supremacists. I live in Minneapolis and there were a lot of stories about this.

Some examples:
Man who helped ignite George Floyd riots identified as white supremacist: Police
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...-allegedly-firing-ak-47-minneapolis-precinct/

Not to mention police in unmarked vans going around shooting at random people while laughing:
Body cam footage shows Minneapolis police allegedly 'hunting' anti-police brutality protesters

Have you heard any politicians, prosecutors, or officials actually say we shouldn't arrest and prosecute arsonists and violent rioters related to the George Floyd protests? Or have you just heard people say, "Well, why haven't they gone after liberal criminals?" and believed the insinuation?

But yeah, I also do think physically threatening lawmakers while trying to overturn an election is significantly more serious than burning down some buildings. And one of the buildings that burned down was a unique place that I loved shopping at.

 

[We Never Know]

I agree. They all should. Many of the looters, arsonists, and violent protesters were white supremacists. I live in Minneapolis and there were a lot of stories about this.

Some examples:
Man who helped ignite George Floyd riots identified as white supremacist: Police
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...-allegedly-firing-ak-47-minneapolis-precinct/

Not to mention police in unmarked vans going around shooting at random people while laughing:
Body cam footage shows Minneapolis police allegedly 'hunting' anti-police brutality protesters

Have you heard any politicians, prosecutors, or officials actually say we shouldn't arrest and prosecute arsonists and violent rioters related to the George Floyd protests? Or have you just heard people say, "Well, why haven't they gone after liberal criminals?" and believed the insinuation?

But yeah, I also do think physically threatening lawmakers while trying to overturn an election is significantly more serious than burning down some buildings. And one of the buildings that burned down was a unique place that I loved shopping at.

Color doesn't matter. If they broke the law...they should be prosecuted.

 

[Estro Felino]

Just a reminder to these guys:
If you want to make the revolution, make sure law enforcement and army are on your side, first.
1789 France docet.

If not, avoid.

 

[Kooky]

I don't disagree with going after the capital rioters. But with the BLM, the George Floyd protests and other protests/riots that there were many caught on camera/pictures looting and burning things down. The justice system should go after them as hard as they are going after the capital rioters.

If not then justice is one sided and dead.

Color doesn't matter. If they broke the law...they should be prosecuted.

I take it you guys don't read Forbes or watch CNN?

Figures Show Stark Difference Between Arrests At D.C. Black Lives Matter Protest And Arrests At Capitol Hill

Key Facts
Just 52 people were arrested in Washington D.C. Wednesday after Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol and interrupted Congress certifying President-elect Joe Biden’s win.

As officials investigate further, the number is paltry when compared to the arrests made in D.C. during protests for racial justice last summer after George Floyd was killed in police custody, with hundreds of people being arrested for unrest-related offenses over the course of a few days.

Between May 30 and June 2 2020, the height of the racial justice protests, 427 "unrest-related" arrests were made in D.C., including 24 juveniles, the police department says.

On June 1 alone, more than five times the number of people were arrested than on the day the Capitol was stormed, with 289 people booked.

The day before also saw a high number of arrests — 90 — nearly double the number seen on Wednesday.

DC police made far more arrests at height of Black Lives Matter protests than during Capitol clash - CNN

Capitol protesters facing less harsh charges
So far, at least, there are also notable disparities in the seriousness of charges facing the Capitol arrestees and those arrested during the summer protests.
Most of the people arrested Wednesday were held on misdemeanor curfew violations or unlawful entry charges. DC police arrested only one person on a charge they specifically listed as a felony: a 39-year-old man accused of rioting and unlawful entry at the Capitol. His arrest doesn't necessarily represent all felony arrests made Wednesday, since DC police did not always include this information in its data. It's possible that more people could face felony charges as prosecutors move forward with their cases.

At least 29 people were arrested on felony charges on June 1, most of whom faced burglary and rioting charges, the MPD data showed. On another night of Black Lives Matter protests — August 14, when demonstrators chanted the names of people killed by the local police department before clashing with officers — police arrested at least 37 people on felony rioting charges.

DC Mayor Muriel Bowser's office did not respond to requests for comment about the disparity in arrests and the charges. Bowser has criticized the federal response to the insurrection, noting at a press conference Wednesday that "we saw a different posture used" by federal officials as compared to the highly militarized response to the summer protests.

This took me about two minutes worth of a Google search, by the way.
If you guys want a tu quoque, do it properly.

 

[We Never Know]

I take it you guys don't read Forbes or watch CNN?

Figures Show Stark Difference Between Arrests At D.C. Black Lives Matter Protest And Arrests At Capitol Hill






DC police made far more arrests at height of Black Lives Matter protests than during Capitol clash - CNN





This took me about two minutes worth of a Google search, by the way.
If you guys want a tu quoque, do it properly.

@Kooky. As I said color doesn't matter. Thats how I feel and see it.
I can't speak for everyone.

 

[Kooky]

@Kooky. As I said color doesn't matter. Thats how I feel and see it.
I can't speak for everyone.

Well, I'm glad color didn't play a role in your attempt to perpetuate the myth that the police didn't go after BLM protesters and that these people did not face charges. So did you read any of the articles I posted?

 

[We Never Know]

Well, I'm glad color didn't play a role in your attempt to perpetuate the myth that the police didn't go after BLM protesters and that these people did not face charges. So did you read any of the articles I posted?

As I said... Color shouldn't be of matter when one breaks the law. Regardless of color they should be prosecuted.
You can keep your links, I will keep my own thoughts.

 

[Kooky]

You can keep your links, I will keep my own thoughts.

By which you mean, you don't believe me and don't want to believe the articles I posted, because that inteferes with your private narrative that US police predominantly targeted the January 6 rioters for purely political reasons.

Am I correct in this assessment of your position on the matter?

 

[We Never Know]

By which you mean, you don't believe me and don't want to believe the articles I posted, because that inteferes with your private narrative that US police predominantly targeted the January 6 rioters for purely political reasons.

Am I correct in this assessment of your position on the matter?

Not at all. I have my own thoughts and don't rely on the news to tell me what to think. Its sad that you do.

You see I posted what I think. You post what the media thinks. That's sad.

 

[Kooky]

Not at all. I have my own thoughts and don't rely on the news to tell me what to think. Its sad that you do.

If you didn't get it from any news source, either directly or indirectly, and don't believe what they tell you, then how did you manage to find out about the events of January 6th, and why do you believe that they factually happened?

For that matter, why do you believe that BLM happened in reality, without any sort of external media source to go by?

 

[We Never Know]

If you didn't get it from any news source, either directly or indirectly, and don't believe in what they tell you about the world, then how did you manage to find out about the events of January 6th, and why do you believe that they factually happened?

For that matter, why do you believe that BLM happened in reality, without any sort of external media source to go by?

You see I posted what I think. You post what the media thinks. That's sad.

 

[Kooky]

You see I posted what I think. You post what the media thinks. That's sad.

If you don't want to discuss these things with me, then at least be honest about it.

 

[We Never Know]

If you didn't get it from any news source, either directly or indirectly, and don't believe what they tell you, then how did you manage to find out about the events of January 6th, and why do you believe that they factually happened?

For that matter, why do you believe that BLM happened in reality, without any sort of external media source to go by?

Read this again....
"Not at all. I have my own thoughts and don't rely on the news to tell me what to think. Its sad that you do."

Like you I read and hear the news. But I have my own thoughts about it and do my own research. I don't just blindly accept what they say.

 

[We Never Know]

If you don't want to discuss these things with me, then at least be honest about it.

See post #19